From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 25 08:34:49 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 25 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2698 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] batteries [db] RE: battery rethink... Plan B. :) Re: [db] RE: battery rethink... Plan B. :) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] batteries what's the largest battery I could fit in about 24" long, by say 10" by 8" :) Rather than having two batteries with about 700CCA each, why not one that's 1400 CCA? :) would simplify this project a bit... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: battery rethink... Plan B. :) re: 6.2L Diesel into '91 Grand Wagoneer... still trying to get the fuel system working properly and the excessive cranking etc and a bad 200A manual starter/charger caused a battery to explode http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/03-Mar-22-SnowGeese-battery-mtns-spring/6.2L-Battery-Injectors/ALL.html Plan B... rather than trying to mount TWO batteries under the jeep... I found that a commercial 4D or 8D will fit on the passenger side... about 20" long, 8 to 11" wide, and about 10" tall, about the same as the two MPT-91 european style top posts I have. I'm not sure what the original requirements were for the 6.2L Diesel, something like 500CCA for each stock battery. So if I go with 1100 CCA in one large battery close to the starter I should be ok. I am going to mount my gel cell under the hood and use it for my driving lights/headlights... I'll run the glow plugs off of it as well. This will give me extra reserve for cranking if needed. Will setup an isolator and the gel cell in about the stock location, will cut the inner passenger fender and recess the gel cell or suspend it so it clears the air muffler and front tire. (with 3" of body lift and 2 to 3 inches of spring lift with only 235's clearance won't be a problem) the only minor issue is that a 4D or 8D will weigh about 100 to 120lbs. the stock batteries are in the 35 to 40lb range each for about 80lbs, but if you factor in the overbuilt battery shelves made out of heavy gauge metal that adds about twenty pounds or so. I'll use one of the brackets and modify it to hold a longer battery... will add a bracket on the bottom of the frame to support the weight in addition. one set of heavy cables going to the starter, two lighter cables going to the glow plugs and so on from the gel cell. Did this same setup on my '85 Cherokee XJ TD and it worked out well. here's the most likely battery: Workaholic - 1000 CCA (4D-XHD) Home > Product Search: 1200 CCA > SPECIFICATIONS Weight: 101.10 pounds Length: 20.75 inches Width: 8.25 inches Height: 9.63 inches Cranking Amps: 1250 Cold Cranking Amps: 1000 Voltage: 12 I like the idea of isolating the battery from vibration as David suggested... a link to the search. http://www.interstatebatteries.com/estore/search.asp?details=1&mscssid=1SQSK7KJ1X399LXLAPLTBGLEEJ6J8T3D&Ns=product+Type%7C0%7C%7CRank%7C1&Ntt=1200+CCA&N=0&Dx=mode+matchallany&part_number=4D%2DXHD&Nty=0&Nao=50&D=1200+CCA&Nu=Part+Number&Ntx=mode+matchallany&part_desc=Workaholic+%2D+1000+CCA&searchtype=Y&Ntk=SearchGroup&js=1 a site that had the major groupings of batteries. http://electrobattery.com/commercial.htm BTW, I took the 200A starter/manual charger back to pep boys and got the more expensive 120A AUTOMATIC charger so I don't pop any more batteries... I think that the 200A failed trying to keep the 6.2L cranking, we smelled fried electrics in that thing... glad the weather is getting nicer and the days longer... was out wrenching until 10pm. :) I may be able to resume cranking tomorrow night... the idea of one battery came to me while laying under the jeep tonight... some of my best thinking happens there... :) john http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/03-Mar-22-SnowGeese-battery-mtns-spring/6.2L-Battery-Injectors/ALL.html ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, David Ashby wrote: # You might want to put the batteries on some sort of thin rubber/elastomer # pad (1/4" or less) to absorb some of the vibration to make these last even a # bit longer. Yes I know you are going to a gel-cell but even that can't # appreciate the vibrations of the frame rail very well. Pieces of an inner # tube work well for a few years. # # Dave # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: battery rethink... Plan B. :) I was thinking about a solar charger, at least for the gel cell as it will be behind an isolator. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # While you're thinking about battery installations, how about keeping them # healthy? I found a desulfator kit in the Trade-a-plane for $22 plus # shipping. www.barkeraircraft.com. At that price, it's not worth my # time # to scrounge the parts myself.... I ordered one, put it together, haven't # tried it out yet. # # I'm thinking of sticking one in each of my airport cars. Only thing is, # they must put out copious amounts of RF, which might be noticed on a # continuous basis. So I'd like to add a PIC controller to make it # turn on maybe an hour a day. And also have it unconditionally off when # the car is in use. The thing uses a 555, and there is provision for an # on-off switch that essentially shorts the threshold pin to the trigger # pin. # # - Jerry Kaidor # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:04:28 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before last. I'm only on my second tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the 1,000 mile break-in, but it looks like I'm already getting mileage in the high 30s, and I'm expecting around 40 once the car and I settle in with each other. Roomy for two, reasonable composed and peppy, with AIR CONDITIONING THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz coupe this week. I posted it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had one nibble Thursday, but I don't think he understood what the car was. Have a live one now, plus a new nibble last night, so it's a good thing I emptied and washed the car Sunday. It's a challenging transition after pretty much 15 straight years in Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 300CE), plus three other Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, 95 C280), but I no longer trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I can't afford a Benz with a warranty, which would leave me with a W116 or W126 300SD, both of which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was really, really hard to take a pass on), but both of which are over 20 years old, with corresponding demands for attention. The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW Jetta (it was actually a demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf reminded me that new cars were not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try it again. We'll see if it's just another reminder not to buy new cars. But it does get lots of attention. BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer 2WD with an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 Expedition with 200,000 miles for around $7,000? http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html And I don't plan to abandon the mailing lists. These beloved beasts are in my blood and I hope to never be free of them. ;-) And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I haven't really left the family. As long as you squint. Happy Benzing, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 234K 08 smart fortwo On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin wrote: > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I miss something? > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me laugh. According to one comment, > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got it, then. > > > > > Alec > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. :) I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it behind my Grand Wagoneer instead of having a spare tire... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before last. I'm only on my second # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the 1,000 mile break-in, but it # looks like I'm already getting mileage in the high 30s, and I'm # expecting around 40 once the car and I settle in with each other. # # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and peppy, with AIR CONDITIONING # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz coupe this week. I posted # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had one nibble Thursday, but I # don't think he understood what the car was. Have a live one now, plus # a new nibble last night, so it's a good thing I emptied and washed the # car Sunday. # # It's a challenging transition after pretty much 15 straight years in # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 300CE), plus three other # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, 95 C280), but I no longer # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I can't afford a Benz with a # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 or W126 300SD, both of # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was really, really hard to take # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 years old, with # corresponding demands for attention. # # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW Jetta (it was actually a # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf reminded me that new cars were # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try it again. We'll see if # it's just another reminder not to buy new cars. But it does get lots # of attention. # # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer 2WD with # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 Expedition with 200,000 miles # for around $7,000? http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html # # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing lists. These beloved beasts # are in my blood and I hope to never be free of them. ;-) # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I haven't really left the # family. As long as you squint. # # Happy Benzing, # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 234K # 08 smart fortwo # # # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin wrote: # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I miss something? # > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me laugh. According to one comment, # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got it, then. # > > # > > > Alec # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... Canada? I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on that? Head to Canada and get one? Jim - --- john wrote: > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. :) > > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it behind my > Grand Wagoneer > instead of having a spare tire... :) > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before last. > I'm only on my second > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the 1,000 > mile break-in, but it > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in the > high 30s, and I'm > # expecting around 40 once the car and I settle in > with each other. > # > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and peppy, > with AIR CONDITIONING > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz > coupe this week. I posted > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had one > nibble Thursday, but I > # don't think he understood what the car was. Have > a live one now, plus > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good thing I > emptied and washed the > # car Sunday. > # > # It's a challenging transition after pretty much > 15 straight years in > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 > 300CE), plus three other > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, 95 > C280), but I no longer > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I can't > afford a Benz with a > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 or > W126 300SD, both of > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was really, > really hard to take > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 years > old, with > # corresponding demands for attention. > # > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW Jetta > (it was actually a > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf reminded > me that new cars were > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try it > again. We'll see if > # it's just another reminder not to buy new cars. > But it does get lots > # of attention. > # > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 Expedition > Eddie Bauer 2WD with > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 > Expedition with 200,000 miles > # for around $7,000? > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html > # > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing lists. > These beloved beasts > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free of > them. ;-) > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I haven't > really left the > # family. As long as you squint. > # > # Happy Benzing, > # Alec Cordova > # Taylor, Texas > # 89 300CE, 234K > # 08 smart fortwo > # > # > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin > wrote: > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I miss > something? > # > > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me > laugh. According to one comment, > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got > it, then. > # > > > # > > > Alec > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:28:12 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Diesel smarts will be the previous model without the suspension improvements. The new generation is not available with diesel in either the US or Canada yet. Just the 3 cylinder, 1.0 liter, 70hp Mitsubishi gasser. And similar to M-B's introduction of support for the G-Wagen several years ago, the price is now almost half what the third-parties were getting. G-Wagen's went from around $150K down to $75K when they became available at M-B dealers, and the smarts that were available last year were going for around $25K. The new ones from smart centers (Penske Group actually has the distributorship for the US) start just under $15K. Alec On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Jim Hoffman wrote: > There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of > diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... Canada? > I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be > able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and > there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on that? > Head to Canada and get one? > > Jim > > > > --- john wrote: > > > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. :) > > > > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it behind my > > Grand Wagoneer > > instead of having a spare tire... :) > > > > ----- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > > rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** > > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > > > > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before last. > > I'm only on my second > > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the 1,000 > > mile break-in, but it > > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in the > > high 30s, and I'm > > # expecting around 40 once the car and I settle in > > with each other. > > # > > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and peppy, > > with AIR CONDITIONING > > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz > > coupe this week. I posted > > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had one > > nibble Thursday, but I > > # don't think he understood what the car was. Have > > a live one now, plus > > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good thing I > > emptied and washed the > > # car Sunday. > > # > > # It's a challenging transition after pretty much > > 15 straight years in > > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 > > 300CE), plus three other > > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, 95 > > C280), but I no longer > > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I can't > > afford a Benz with a > > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 or > > W126 300SD, both of > > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was really, > > really hard to take > > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 years > > old, with > > # corresponding demands for attention. > > # > > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW Jetta > > (it was actually a > > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf reminded > > me that new cars were > > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try it > > again. We'll see if > > # it's just another reminder not to buy new cars. > > But it does get lots > > # of attention. > > # > > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 Expedition > > Eddie Bauer 2WD with > > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 > > Expedition with 200,000 miles > > # for around $7,000? > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html > > # > > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing lists. > > These beloved beasts > > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free of > > them. ;-) > > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I haven't > > really left the > > # family. As long as you squint. > > # > > # Happy Benzing, > > # Alec Cordova > > # Taylor, Texas > > # 89 300CE, 234K > > # 08 smart fortwo > > # > > # > > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin > > wrote: > > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I miss > > something? > > # > > > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, > > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me > > laugh. According to one comment, > > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got > > it, then. > > # > > > > # > > > Alec > > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles > > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2698 **********************************