From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 25 10:32:59 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 25 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2699 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) have to have money first... :) too many things around the house need what money I have before I buy a new car... :( ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of # diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... Canada? # I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be # able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and # there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on that? # Head to Canada and get one? # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. :) # > # > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it behind my # > Grand Wagoneer # > instead of having a spare tire... :) # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before last. # > I'm only on my second # > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the 1,000 # > mile break-in, but it # > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in the # > high 30s, and I'm # > # expecting around 40 once the car and I settle in # > with each other. # > # # > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and peppy, # > with AIR CONDITIONING # > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz # > coupe this week. I posted # > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had one # > nibble Thursday, but I # > # don't think he understood what the car was. Have # > a live one now, plus # > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good thing I # > emptied and washed the # > # car Sunday. # > # # > # It's a challenging transition after pretty much # > 15 straight years in # > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 # > 300CE), plus three other # > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, 95 # > C280), but I no longer # > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I can't # > afford a Benz with a # > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 or # > W126 300SD, both of # > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was really, # > really hard to take # > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 years # > old, with # > # corresponding demands for attention. # > # # > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW Jetta # > (it was actually a # > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf reminded # > me that new cars were # > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try it # > again. We'll see if # > # it's just another reminder not to buy new cars. # > But it does get lots # > # of attention. # > # # > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 Expedition # > Eddie Bauer 2WD with # > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 # > Expedition with 200,000 miles # > # for around $7,000? # > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html # > # # > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing lists. # > These beloved beasts # > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free of # > them. ;-) # > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I haven't # > really left the # > # family. As long as you squint. # > # # > # Happy Benzing, # > # Alec Cordova # > # Taylor, Texas # > # 89 300CE, 234K # > # 08 smart fortwo # > # # > # # > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin # > wrote: # > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I miss # > something? # > # > # > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, # > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me # > laugh. According to one comment, # > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got # > it, then. # > # > > # > # > > > Alec # > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, # > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html # > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) So did you get an estimate from them as to when the diesel versions will become available in this new generation? Jim - --- Alec Cordova wrote: > Diesel smarts will be the previous model without the > suspension > improvements. The new generation is not available > with diesel in > either the US or Canada yet. Just the 3 cylinder, > 1.0 liter, 70hp > Mitsubishi gasser. > > And similar to M-B's introduction of support for the > G-Wagen several > years ago, the price is now almost half what the > third-parties were > getting. G-Wagen's went from around $150K down to > $75K when they > became available at M-B dealers, and the smarts that > were available > last year were going for around $25K. The new ones > from smart centers > (Penske Group actually has the distributorship for > the US) start just > under $15K. > > Alec > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Jim Hoffman > wrote: > > There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of > > diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... > Canada? > > I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be > > able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and > > there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on > that? > > Head to Canada and get one? > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > --- john wrote: > > > > > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. > :) > > > > > > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it > behind my > > > Grand Wagoneer > > > instead of having a spare tire... :) > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > > > rust, they mold > > > http://freegift.com ** > > > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > > > > > > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before > last. > > > I'm only on my second > > > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the > 1,000 > > > mile break-in, but it > > > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in > the > > > high 30s, and I'm > > > # expecting around 40 once the car and I > settle in > > > with each other. > > > # > > > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and > peppy, > > > with AIR CONDITIONING > > > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz > > > coupe this week. I posted > > > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had > one > > > nibble Thursday, but I > > > # don't think he understood what the car was. > Have > > > a live one now, plus > > > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good > thing I > > > emptied and washed the > > > # car Sunday. > > > # > > > # It's a challenging transition after pretty > much > > > 15 straight years in > > > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 > > > 300CE), plus three other > > > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, > 95 > > > C280), but I no longer > > > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I > can't > > > afford a Benz with a > > > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 > or > > > W126 300SD, both of > > > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was > really, > > > really hard to take > > > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 > years > > > old, with > > > # corresponding demands for attention. > > > # > > > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW > Jetta > > > (it was actually a > > > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf > reminded > > > me that new cars were > > > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try > it > > > again. We'll see if > > > # it's just another reminder not to buy new > cars. > > > But it does get lots > > > # of attention. > > > # > > > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 > Expedition > > > Eddie Bauer 2WD with > > > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 > > > Expedition with 200,000 miles > > > # for around $7,000? > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html > > > # > > > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing > lists. > > > These beloved beasts > > > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free > of > > > them. ;-) > > > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I > haven't > > > really left the > > > # family. As long as you squint. > > > # > > > # Happy Benzing, > > > # Alec Cordova > > > # Taylor, Texas > > > # 89 300CE, 234K > > > # 08 smart fortwo > > > # > > > # > > > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin > > > wrote: > > > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I > miss > > > something? > > > # > > > > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, > > > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it > made me > > > laugh. According to one comment, > > > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess > I got > > > it, then. > > > # > > > > > # > > > Alec > > > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > > > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles > > > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:07:11 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) They're talking about the Brabus turbo gasser more than they're talking about a diesel. Alec On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Jim Hoffman wrote: > So did you get an estimate from them as to when the > diesel versions will become available in this new > generation? > > Jim > > > > --- Alec Cordova wrote: > > > Diesel smarts will be the previous model without the > > suspension > > improvements. The new generation is not available > > with diesel in > > either the US or Canada yet. Just the 3 cylinder, > > 1.0 liter, 70hp > > Mitsubishi gasser. > > > > And similar to M-B's introduction of support for the > > G-Wagen several > > years ago, the price is now almost half what the > > third-parties were > > getting. G-Wagen's went from around $150K down to > > $75K when they > > became available at M-B dealers, and the smarts that > > were available > > last year were going for around $25K. The new ones > > from smart centers > > (Penske Group actually has the distributorship for > > the US) start just > > under $15K. > > > > Alec > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Jim Hoffman > > wrote: > > > There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of > > > diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... > > Canada? > > > I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be > > > able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and > > > there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on > > that? > > > Head to Canada and get one? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- john wrote: > > > > > > > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. > > :) > > > > > > > > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it > > behind my > > > > Grand Wagoneer > > > > instead of having a spare tire... :) > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > > don't > > > > rust, they mold > > > > http://freegift.com ** > > > > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > > > > > > > > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before > > last. > > > > I'm only on my second > > > > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the > > 1,000 > > > > mile break-in, but it > > > > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in > > the > > > > high 30s, and I'm > > > > # expecting around 40 once the car and I > > settle in > > > > with each other. > > > > # > > > > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and > > peppy, > > > > with AIR CONDITIONING > > > > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz > > > > coupe this week. I posted > > > > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had > > one > > > > nibble Thursday, but I > > > > # don't think he understood what the car was. > > Have > > > > a live one now, plus > > > > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good > > thing I > > > > emptied and washed the > > > > # car Sunday. > > > > # > > > > # It's a challenging transition after pretty > > much > > > > 15 straight years in > > > > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 > > > > 300CE), plus three other > > > > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, > > 95 > > > > C280), but I no longer > > > > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I > > can't > > > > afford a Benz with a > > > > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 > > or > > > > W126 300SD, both of > > > > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was > > really, > > > > really hard to take > > > > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 > > years > > > > old, with > > > > # corresponding demands for attention. > > > > # > > > > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW > > Jetta > > > > (it was actually a > > > > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf > > reminded > > > > me that new cars were > > > > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try > > it > > > > again. We'll see if > > > > # it's just another reminder not to buy new > > cars. > > > > But it does get lots > > > > # of attention. > > > > # > > > > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 > > Expedition > > > > Eddie Bauer 2WD with > > > > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 > > > > Expedition with 200,000 miles > > > > # for around $7,000? > > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html > > > > # > > > > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing > > lists. > > > > These beloved beasts > > > > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free > > of > > > > them. ;-) > > > > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I > > haven't > > > > really left the > > > > # family. As long as you squint. > > > > # > > > > # Happy Benzing, > > > > # Alec Cordova > > > > # Taylor, Texas > > > > # 89 300CE, 234K > > > > # 08 smart fortwo > > > > # > > > > # > > > > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin > > > > wrote: > > > > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I > > miss > > > > something? > > > > # > > > > > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, > > > > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > > > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it > > made me > > > > laugh. According to one comment, > > > > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess > > I got > > > > it, then. > > > > # > > > > > > # > > > Alec > > > > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, > > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > > > > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles > > > > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Did I miss something? (was: Re: [db] mark your calendar...) the fools... turbos are for Diesels... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # They're talking about the Brabus turbo gasser more than they're # talking about a diesel. # # Alec # # # On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > So did you get an estimate from them as to when the # > diesel versions will become available in this new # > generation? # > # > Jim # > # > # > # > --- Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > > Diesel smarts will be the previous model without the # > > suspension # > > improvements. The new generation is not available # > > with diesel in # > > either the US or Canada yet. Just the 3 cylinder, # > > 1.0 liter, 70hp # > > Mitsubishi gasser. # > > # > > And similar to M-B's introduction of support for the # > > G-Wagen several # > > years ago, the price is now almost half what the # > > third-parties were # > > getting. G-Wagen's went from around $150K down to # > > $75K when they # > > became available at M-B dealers, and the smarts that # > > were available # > > last year were going for around $25K. The new ones # > > from smart centers # > > (Penske Group actually has the distributorship for # > > the US) start just # > > under $15K. # > > # > > Alec # > > # > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Jim Hoffman # > > wrote: # > > > There was a stealership in FL selling a couple of # > > > diesel Smarts. I wonder how he got them... # > > Canada? # > > > I assume they could be licensed or he wouldn't be # > > > able to sell them. I just checked eBay again and # > > > there aren't any right now. Any thoughts on # > > that? # > > > Head to Canada and get one? # > > > # > > > Jim # > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > --- john wrote: # > > > # > > > > I'm holding out for a Diesel in a SmartCart. # > > :) # > > > > # > > > > I'll put a towbar on the front and tow it # > > behind my # > > > > Grand Wagoneer # > > > > instead of having a spare tire... :) # > > > > # > > > > ----- # > > > > # > > > # > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > > don't # > > > > rust, they mold # > > > > http://freegift.com ** # > > > > http://wagoneers.com ** # > > > > # > > > # > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > > > # > > > > # > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > > > > # > > > > # Picked up my smart fortwo Saturday before # > > last. # > > > > I'm only on my second # > > > > # tank, and not yet through 400 miles of the # > > 1,000 # > > > > mile break-in, but it # > > > > # looks like I'm already getting mileage in # > > the # > > > > high 30s, and I'm # > > > > # expecting around 40 once the car and I # > > settle in # > > > > with each other. # > > > > # # > > > > # Roomy for two, reasonable composed and # > > peppy, # > > > > with AIR CONDITIONING # > > > > # THAT WORKS, it looks like I may sell my Benz # > > > > coupe this week. I posted # > > > > # it on Craigslist last Wednesday night. Had # > > one # > > > > nibble Thursday, but I # > > > > # don't think he understood what the car was. # > > Have # > > > > a live one now, plus # > > > > # a new nibble last night, so it's a good # > > thing I # > > > > emptied and washed the # > > > > # car Sunday. # > > > > # # > > > > # It's a challenging transition after pretty # > > much # > > > > 15 straight years in # > > > > # Benzes (split between an 85 300D and the 89 # > > > > 300CE), plus three other # > > > > # Benzes before those (63 190c, 80 240D auto, # > > 95 # > > > > C280), but I no longer # > > > > # trust Benzes newer than about 1994, and I # > > can't # > > > > afford a Benz with a # > > > > # warranty, which would leave me with a W116 # > > or # > > > > W126 300SD, both of # > > > > # which are lovely cars (that teal W116 was # > > really, # > > > > really hard to take # > > > > # a pass on), but both of which are over 20 # > > years # > > > > old, with # > > > > # corresponding demands for attention. # > > > > # # > > > > # The only new cars I've bought were an 84 VW # > > Jetta # > > > > (it was actually a # > > > > # demo model), and a 1990 Golf. The Golf # > > reminded # > > > > me that new cars were # > > > > # not the way to go. 18 years later, I'll try # > > it # > > > > again. We'll see if # > > > > # it's just another reminder not to buy new # > > cars. # > > > > But it does get lots # > > > > # of attention. # > > > > # # > > > > # BTW, we also replaced my wife's 2000 # > > Expedition # > > > > Eddie Bauer 2WD with # > > > > # an 06 MINI Cooper S. Anybody want an 00 # > > > > Expedition with 200,000 miles # > > > > # for around $7,000? # > > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612104481.html # > > > > # # > > > > # And I don't plan to abandon the mailing # > > lists. # > > > > These beloved beasts # > > > > # are in my blood and I hope to never be free # > > of # > > > > them. ;-) # > > > > # And smart is a division of Mercedes, so I # > > haven't # > > > > really left the # > > > > # family. As long as you squint. # > > > > # # > > > > # Happy Benzing, # > > > > # Alec Cordova # > > > > # Taylor, Texas # > > > > # 89 300CE, 234K # > > > > # 08 smart fortwo # > > > > # # > > > > # # > > > > # On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Kevin # > > > > wrote: # > > > > # > Just noticed the last two lines... Did I # > > miss # > > > > something? # > > > > # > # > > > > # > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:54:03AM +0000, # > > > > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > > > > # > > Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it # > > made me # > > > > laugh. According to one comment, # > > > > # > > there is no deeper meaning, so I guess # > > I got # > > > > it, then. # > > > > # > > # > > > > # > > > Alec # > > > > # > > > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, # > > > > http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html # > > > > # > > > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles # > > > > # # > > > # > > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2699 **********************************