From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 31 22:47:30 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2709 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] non-MB Diesel Hydraulic lifter question... Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes [db] gout of black smoke? Re: [db] gout of black smoke? Re: [db] gout of black smoke? Re: [db] gout of black smoke? Re: [db] gout of black smoke? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] non-MB Diesel Hydraulic lifter question... make it work... then bring it with on a visit to the states, and leave it here in Snohomish, I'll give it good oil. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # I know that 2 of them are dead (or v.close to it). I suspect the previous # owner(s) didn't change to oil very often (if at all!). Have noticed that # someone was in there before me to try and repair this (the mechanic I took # it to for a look said "put in thinner oil and sell it", but I couldn't do # that to someone else.... ) but just replaced one of the heads + rethreaded # the rocker arm bolts. # Steve # # On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:26 PM, john wrote: # # > and why are we're taking this apart? :) # > # > john # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Success! # > # http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00974.JPG< # > http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00959.JPG> # > # http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00975.JPG< # > http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00959.JPG> # > # # > # How? Well... I pulled the tappet out of the bore with a twisting motion # > # obviously ;-) # > # Extendable magnet thing helped alot! # > # Steve # > # # > # On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Stephen Rigley # > wrote: # > # # > # > and then it says .. "installation is the reverse of removal" eh? ;-) # > # > # > # > Actually.. re lifters, what it actually says is "Pull the tappet out # > of # > # > the bore with a twisting motion".. is that me or the tappet? ;-) # > # > Will try some poking with a screwdriver + an extendable magnet # > later.. # > # > Steve # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Jim Hoffman # > wrote: # > # > # > # > > LOL!! Sounds like the terrible manual I had for my # > # > > '87 Ford Escort diesel. I had to remove the engine # > # > > to replace the timing belt and decided to do some # > # > > other maintenance while I had it out. I followed the # > # > > manual's instructions for "engine removal" to a "T" # > # > > and when I was done there were still about a half # > # > > dozen items that needed to be removed before the # > # > > engine would come out! Yes, it was a joke. # > # > > # > # > > Been there, done that ;) # > # > > # > # > > Jim # > # > > # > # > > --- Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > > # > # > > > Its a bit of a joke... "remove lifters" ;-) Well # > # > > > not quite that bad, but # > # > > > nearly.. # > # > > > Steve # > # > > > # > # > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Jim Hoffman # > # > > > wrote: # > # > > > # > # > > > > Steve! Where's your shop manual?!?! ;) # > # > > > > # > # > > > > Jim # > # > > > > # > # > > > > --- Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > > > > # > # > > > > > So... the 2.5TD XJ saga continues (I'm really # > # > > > making # > # > > > > > a meal out of this # > # > > > > > project.. ).. I've removed the heads (after # > # > > > having # > # > > > > > to take an impact wrench # > # > > > > > to the injectors!), so any ideas on how to # > # > > > remove # > # > > > > > the lifters? Is it just a # > # > > > > > matter of putting a circlip pliers in there and # > # > > > > > pulling them out? Or is # > # > > > > > there another method? I need some encouragement # > # > > > here # > # > > > > > heheh # > # > > > > > # > # > > > > > Steve # > # > > > > > # > # > > > > > P.S. looks a bit sooty : # > # > > > > > # > # > > > > # > # > > > # > # > > http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00959.JPG # > # > > > > > # > # > > > > # > # > > > # > # > > http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00972.JPG # > # > > > > > # > # > > > > > P.P.S. Where do I sign up for the XJ list? I # > # > > > thought # > # > > > > > I was on it.. # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:51:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net Subject: Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes Ron - I had a 77 Caprice station wagon with the 350 CU IN engine. Belive it or not, with a medium foot on the pedal, it will get you about 17 in the city and 22 on the highway. If you drive like a teen age nut, flooring it at every light, you will lower it to 15 city easy. The engine has a lot of power for the weight of the car so it actually lopes along at 1650 rpm or so when cruising at 65 MPH in third gear. If fuel were not so darn expensive nowadays, I would love to have another one, it is one of the most comfortable lower priced Yank tanks on the market. The one thing to look out for is a worn camshaft. GM had a problem late 70's early 80's with the quality of the surface hardening on the camshafts. Have a mechanic check the camshaft for excess wear or just replace it with a new one as a matter of course, they are not expensive and can be replaced with the engine in place (have to remove the fan and radiator). Edward > Local friend asks me for help, as he has in sight a 1982 Chevrolet > Caprice > Diesel V8 auto, but would like to hear from a reliable source (=not the > seller) what kind of mpg to expect. > > Anyone here would have an idea ? > > Cheers, > > Ron. > -- > Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord is ein starkes Trostmittel: > Mit ihm kommt man gut C -- Friedrich Nietsche > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:58:19 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes Ed, you are talking about the chevy 350 that burns unleaded. Ron tripped over chevy powered by the olds/gm corporate 350 diesel engine. It really doesn't help things any that GM had seven engines that displaced 5.7 liters, and two of them are chevrolet 350s that don't have a lot in common aside from the valve cover says chevy, there's eight cylinders, and it displaces 5.7 liters. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:51:44PM -0400, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > Ron - I had a 77 Caprice station wagon with the 350 CU IN engine. Belive > it or not, with a medium foot on the pedal, it will get you about 17 in > the city and 22 on the highway. If you drive like a teen age nut, flooring > it at every light, you will lower it to 15 city easy. The engine has a lot > of power for the weight of the car so it actually lopes along at 1650 rpm > or so when cruising at 65 MPH in third gear. > > If fuel were not so darn expensive nowadays, I would love to have another > one, it is one of the most comfortable lower priced Yank tanks on the > market. > > The one thing to look out for is a worn camshaft. GM had a problem late > 70's early 80's with the quality of the surface hardening on the > camshafts. Have a mechanic check the camshaft for excess wear or just > replace it with a new one as a matter of course, they are not expensive > and can be replaced with the engine in place (have to remove the fan and > radiator). > > Edward > > > Local friend asks me for help, as he has in sight a 1982 Chevrolet > > Caprice > > Diesel V8 auto, but would like to hear from a reliable source (=not the > > seller) what kind of mpg to expect. > > > > Anyone here would have an idea ? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Not strictly Mercedes Ed, did they have a Diesel in '77????? I was over in Germany so I don't know... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: # Ron - I had a 77 Caprice station wagon with the 350 CU IN engine. Belive # it or not, with a medium foot on the pedal, it will get you about 17 in # the city and 22 on the highway. If you drive like a teen age nut, flooring # it at every light, you will lower it to 15 city easy. The engine has a lot # of power for the weight of the car so it actually lopes along at 1650 rpm # or so when cruising at 65 MPH in third gear. # # If fuel were not so darn expensive nowadays, I would love to have another # one, it is one of the most comfortable lower priced Yank tanks on the # market. # # The one thing to look out for is a worn camshaft. GM had a problem late # 70's early 80's with the quality of the surface hardening on the # camshafts. Have a mechanic check the camshaft for excess wear or just # replace it with a new one as a matter of course, they are not expensive # and can be replaced with the engine in place (have to remove the fan and # radiator). # # Edward # # > Local friend asks me for help, as he has in sight a 1982 Chevrolet # > Caprice # > Diesel V8 auto, but would like to hear from a reliable source (=not the # > seller) what kind of mpg to expect. # > # > Anyone here would have an idea ? # > # > Cheers, # > # > Ron. # > -- # > Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord is ein starkes Trostmittel: # > Mit ihm kommt man gut C -- Friedrich Nietsche # > # > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:51:30 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] gout of black smoke? I took my '76 240D up to Bellingham over the weekend. Made it without any signs of straining on the hills. Made it there in almost exactly an hour from Lynnwood. However, when I hit just over 9mph at one point, I saw a huge gout of black smoke come out the back. No change in sound of motor or feel of the car, nor any change on any of the indicators (oil, idiot lights, etc.). As a matter of fact, the temperature dropped afterwards (it normally runs at the 9 o'clock position in highway use, dropped back down to the 8 o'clock "in town" level [175]) and stayed down. I kept it under 90 the rest of the trip, just in case that was something bad and not just a "clearing the throat" or something. Any ideas? So, sorry Chuck, if a Hummer-sized cloud ended up by you. I was around exit 210, I think. :) - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:29:16 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] gout of black smoke? It sounds like you performed an "italian tuneup" without knowing it. That's where you run the car at high rpm for a few minutes to blow out the carbon and cobwebs. It's good for the engine. You should notice that the engine idles a bit smoother and has better "pep"..... Jon Bruce reported: > I took my '76 240D up to Bellingham over the weekend. Made > it without any signs of straining on the hills. Made it > there in almost exactly an hour from Lynnwood. > > However, when I hit just over 9mph at one point, I saw a huge > gout of black smoke come out the back. No change in sound > of motor or feel of the car, nor any change on any of the > indicators (oil, idiot lights, etc.). As a matter of fact, > the temperature dropped afterwards (it normally runs at the > 9 o'clock position in highway use, dropped back down to the > 8 o'clock "in town" level [175]) and stayed down. > > I kept it under 90 the rest of the trip, just in case that > was something bad and not just a "clearing the throat" or > something. Any ideas? > > So, sorry Chuck, if a Hummer-sized cloud ended up by you. > I was around exit 210, I think. :) > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] gout of black smoke? 90? as in mph? in your 240D? sounds like it coughed up a hairball... or a lung... ;) actually sounds like it might have been a good thing, cleaned it out, does it idle smooth? if so, it was a good thing. and it's a good thing "smokey" didn't spot you. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # I took my '76 240D up to Bellingham over the weekend. Made # it without any signs of straining on the hills. Made it # there in almost exactly an hour from Lynnwood. # # However, when I hit just over 9mph at one point, I saw a huge # gout of black smoke come out the back. No change in sound # of motor or feel of the car, nor any change on any of the # indicators (oil, idiot lights, etc.). As a matter of fact, # the temperature dropped afterwards (it normally runs at the # 9 o'clock position in highway use, dropped back down to the # 8 o'clock "in town" level [175]) and stayed down. # # I kept it under 90 the rest of the trip, just in case that # was something bad and not just a "clearing the throat" or # something. Any ideas? # # So, sorry Chuck, if a Hummer-sized cloud ended up by you. # I was around exit 210, I think. :) # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:27:13 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] gout of black smoke? That's kind of what I was thinking happened, given the no bad signs bit, and the engine running cooler afterwards. Maybe I should have let it go longer. :) (RPMs didn't sound like they changed at the time, even, so maybe some wad of gunk broke loose and went through the system...) I was hesitant to push it, since I broke the transmission on my nearly-new-at-the-time 1995 Subaru Legacy doing 110 mph across the San Mateo bridge in 1996. Fortunately was covered by warranty! - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Mon Mar 31, 2008, Jon Filina wrote: > > It sounds like you performed an "italian tuneup" without knowing it. > That's where you run the car at high rpm for a few minutes to blow out > the carbon and cobwebs. It's good for the engine. You should notice > that the engine idles a bit smoother and has better "pep"..... > > Jon > > > > Bruce reported: > > I took my '76 240D up to Bellingham over the weekend. Made > > it without any signs of straining on the hills. Made it > > there in almost exactly an hour from Lynnwood. > > > > However, when I hit just over 9mph at one point, I saw a huge > > gout of black smoke come out the back. No change in sound > > of motor or feel of the car, nor any change on any of the > > indicators (oil, idiot lights, etc.). As a matter of fact, > > the temperature dropped afterwards (it normally runs at the > > 9 o'clock position in highway use, dropped back down to the > > 8 o'clock "in town" level [175]) and stayed down. > > > > I kept it under 90 the rest of the trip, just in case that > > was something bad and not just a "clearing the throat" or > > something. Any ideas? > > > > So, sorry Chuck, if a Hummer-sized cloud ended up by you. > > I was around exit 210, I think. :) > > > > -bkc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:40:06 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] gout of black smoke? Yeah. My 240D was clocked at 97mph across the San Mateo bridge back in 1994. Don't think it could quite manage that anymore, although it has been getting peppier again in recent years. (You may recall me posting about it seeming to cough up a hairball a few times shortly after I met this list, followed by being a lot perkier.) On the other hand, it only turned in a disappointing 21mpg from my Bellingham roundtrip. (Minimal local driving.) I actually feel more satisfied as a driver in my 240D than in my 300D. The 300D always feels a bit "heavy" (in the sluggish sense) in its acceleration... The turbo on the 300D definitely helps on big hills, but on lesser hills, it feels like the 240D is better (accelerates faster and pushes me back in my seat more with torque). For example, the hill on I-5 North where 405 and 5 join/split in the south is a slow hill for the 300D (has trouble doing 65) whereas the 240D hits 75 there, uphill, easy, and feels like it wants to go more. How much does a compression test cost? And what's that adjustment to change the balance between efficiency and power? (Although, with the price of fuel as it is nowadays, I guess I should be glad my 300D is set more towards the efficiency side.) My 240D did idle much more smoothly when I got to Bellingham, but I thought it was just because it was well warmed up. Haven't driven since then (taking the bus to school) so can't yet say if it continues to idle more smoothly. And I always made sure there was someone going just a little bit faster near me. :) :) - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Mon Mar 31, 2008, John Meister wrote: > > 90? as in mph? > > in your 240D? > > sounds like it coughed up a hairball... or a lung... ;) > > actually sounds like it might have been a good thing, cleaned it out, > does it idle smooth? if so, it was a good thing. > > and it's a good thing "smokey" didn't spot you. :) > > john > > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # I took my '76 240D up to Bellingham over the weekend. Made > # it without any signs of straining on the hills. Made it > # there in almost exactly an hour from Lynnwood. > # > # However, when I hit just over 9mph at one point, I saw a huge > # gout of black smoke come out the back. No change in sound > # of motor or feel of the car, nor any change on any of the > # indicators (oil, idiot lights, etc.). As a matter of fact, > # the temperature dropped afterwards (it normally runs at the > # 9 o'clock position in highway use, dropped back down to the > # 8 o'clock "in town" level [175]) and stayed down. > # > # I kept it under 90 the rest of the trip, just in case that > # was something bad and not just a "clearing the throat" or > # something. Any ideas? > # > # So, sorry Chuck, if a Hummer-sized cloud ended up by you. > # I was around exit 210, I think. :) > # > # -bkc ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2709 **********************************