From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 9 11:47:52 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2716 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer [db] The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) [db] RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Re: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer [db] RE: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer [db] why a winch is needed Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer 8 April 2008 Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep instead of buying what is already a Diesel: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may be misfiring, hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... we'll see... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son and I did the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the frame was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, lights... :) more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ john meister ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) check this out. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php will these things grow in Washington???? :) john http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Australian farmers in the wet tropical region of North Queensland have bought over 20,000 of these so-called diesel trees. The intention is that in 15 or so years they'll have their very own oil mine growing on their farmland. Because, the Brazilian Copaifera langsdorfii, to use its botanical name, can be tapped not unlike a rubber tree, but instead of yielding rubbery latex it gives up a natural diesel. According to the nurseryman selling the trees, one hectare will yield about 12,000 litres annually. * Once filtered-no complex refining required, apparently-it can be placed straight into a diesel tractor or truck. We read that a single Copaifera langsdorfii will continue to produce fuel oil for an impressive 70 years, with the only negative being that its particular form of diesel needs to be used within three months of extraction. Oddly this is not news. The Center for New Crops & Plant Products , at Purdue University reports that it was first reported to the western world as far back as 1625. They observe reports from 1979 saying "Natives ... drill a 5 centimeter hole into the 1-meter thick trunk and put a bung into it. Every 6 months or so, they remove the bung and collect 15 to 20 liters of the hydrocarbon." The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation noted in a paper at the Eleventh world forestry congress back in 1997 on the topic of tree oil for cars that "... the potential of other alternatives such as the Amazon Copaifera langsdorfii need to be investigated." Copaifera langsdorfii can grow trunks 30 metres tall and store the oil in their unusual capilliary structure. The above image is a transverse section of the tree's cells. * I used to convert metric measurements in American imperial but when I discovered that the only countries that have failed to embrace metric are the USA, Liberia and Burma I stopped. However Purdue University record that "An acre of 100 mature trees might thus be able to produce 25 barrels of fuel per year." Via ABC and Sydney Morning Herald http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John; # # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them # into GM and Ford trucks. # # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. # # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. # # Bob # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM # To: Bob Brooks # Cc: full size jeep list # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. # # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. # # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # # # John: # # # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # # # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep # or # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # # # # Bob # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # john # # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM # # To: undisclosed-recipients: # # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # # # 8 April 2008 # # # # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. # # # # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep # # instead # # of buying what is already a Diesel: # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg # # # # Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may # be # # misfiring, # # hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... # # we'll see... :) # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL # # L.html # # # # individual pictures: # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ # # # # # # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son # and I # # did # # the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the # # frame # # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. # # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL # # .html # # individual pictures: # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ # # # # # # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) # # of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, # # lights... :) # # more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # # # john meister # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:57:52 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer >Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. Congrats John! I know it has been a long time in coming. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer yes sir, it has... I'm thinking of heading over to harbor freight to get that receiver hitch carrier... mike dropped off a barrel of oil last night. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. # # Congrats John! I know it has been a long time in coming. # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer You missed out, I had a nice '89 GW that needed some interior work, body was absolutely perfect... :) I love it out here... no salt, no rust... but also, not much sun. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John: # # I didn't realize that the 6.2 was that light. I have a list here and it # says 830, I'm not sure where it came from, 650 actually makes more sense. # So it's about the same as a SBC. # # I've always thought a diesel FSJ would be the perfect vehicle! Good luck # with yours. I'd love to find a rust free example but out here on the east # coast everything I've seen is pretty rusty! # # Bob # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:01 PM # To: Bob Brooks # Cc: diesel-benz list; 'full size jeep list' # Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. # # I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance # underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. # # The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give # or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. # # I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # # # John; # # # # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT # or a # # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them # # into GM and Ford trucks. # # # # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins # in # # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer # # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the # # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. # # # # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about # 830 # # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. # # # # Bob # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM # # To: Bob Brooks # # Cc: full size jeep list # # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # # # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. # # # # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. # # # # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're # # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. # # # # john # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # # # # # John: # # # # # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # # # # # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this # jeep # # or # # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # # # # # # Bob # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # # # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # # john # # # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM # # # To: undisclosed-recipients: # # # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # # # # # 8 April 2008 # # # # # # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. # # # # # # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my # Jeep # # # instead # # # of buying what is already a Diesel: # # # # # # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg # # # # # # Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that # may # # be # # # misfiring, # # # hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel # economy... # # # we'll see... :) # # # # # # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL # # # L.html # # # # # # individual pictures: # # # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ # # # # # # # # # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son # # and I # # # did # # # the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on # the # # # frame # # # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years # old. # # # # # # # # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL # # # .html # # # individual pictures: # # # # # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ # # # # # # # # # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) # # # of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, # # # lights... :) # # # more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # # # # # john meister # # # # # # ----- # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] why a winch is needed you just never know when you really need a winch... :) http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=165118&ESRC=army.nl ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2716 **********************************