From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Apr 14 11:32:58 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, April 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2720 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] first tank Re: [db] first tank [db] ride, vibration and noise [db] ohhh... John... Re: [db] an article from Ron - temporary posting Re: [db] ohhh... John... Re: [db] an article from Ron - temporary posting [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] first tank Andreas, I'd say you should see at least mid 20's. Well, your encouraging words sent me to the scales... 5,255 lbs minus the passengers weight. That's with both fuel tanks full (40+ gallons), dual batteries, brush guard, factory moon roof and trailer hitch. If we subtract the extra fuel and the extra 35 lb battery this thing weighs less than my '81 Wagoneer! It weighed 5,200 lbs. I guess 16 mpg is acceptable, that's better than my wj by 2 mpg, about the same as an xj... and of course way, way better than any Wagoneer I've had... with hope of bettee mileage with some careful driving and tuning. The ride is a little harsher than prior SJ's but ok... noise level is higher, but I'm working on it... :) The first tank also included hauling 2 heavy barrels of wvo up to Chuck's. We are over in Seattle right now. My son called to tell me that my Jeep wasn't smoking any more on departure. On the way down here my wife said we need to get rid of one of my vehicles... She realizes how much I'm liking ny GW... the problem is I still like my 300d. And I like her wj. :) But with the expense of my daughter's probable and soon wedding we'll need the money... oh how wonderful to have such problems... :) thanx again all for the encouraging words. April 25 is the 2nd anniversary of getting Omega. It's fantastic driving it finally, and with a Diesel! ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # Am S|nndag 13 April 2008, hest Du schrieven: # # > still needs to be dialed in I think... 16.1 mpg, # > mostly stop and go in traffic, had the idle set too high # > and one of the injectors initially wasn't working well... # > # > still better than the 10 mpg it used to get. ;) # # I'd say that 16.1 mpg is a great number for Omega. Remember that you're # schlepping around one hell of a car, with a lift kit and that DIY factor. # # Shouldn't something around 20 mpg be achievable when your bad injector is # firing correctly and you ease a bit on the go pedal? # # Tomorrow I hope to take our new family car for a little drive, a CLK 320 # CDI cabrio. Dieseling around northern Germany with the go pedal nailed to # the floor whenever possible, I am expecting something between 15 to 20 # mpg. # # Despite the fact that a clattering engine doesn't work well with all the # things a CLK is all about, I'll see what kind of mileage I can work out. # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] first tank thinking back my GMC Jimmy was getting 16 on the same route my benz got 31... my benz has been getting in the upper 20's where the GW got 16. my other jimmy got 16 driving through the rockys... Even if it doesn't increase it's still better than an XJ... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Yeah, 60% increase isn't too bad ;) # # I think it will get better... # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > still needs to be dialed in I think... 16.1 mpg, # > mostly stop and go in traffic, had the idle set too # > high # > and one of the injectors initially wasn't working # > well... # > # > still better than the 10 mpg it used to get. ;) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] ride, vibration and noise need to make some refinements to Omega... reduce noise eliminate or reduce engine vibration improve ride quality. 1) add dynamat(sp) to firewall and floors? 2) check trans mount, possibly add thick rubber to mounts??? 3) modify spring pack from 5 thick leafs to one with more, thinner leafs... orig springs had 7 leafs, new one has 5. If I take the smaller leafs out and replace them with the originals I should retain the lift but soften the spring rate... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/J10-poormans-lift/ALL.html overall, progress is good... first tank 16.1 mpg (that's with full throttle stops, lots of red lights, idling/adjments, loads and one run up to about 90mph...) around 5355 lbs. 0 to 60 in 19.9 seconds (up slight grade) and with injectors not at 100%. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:20:20 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: [db] ohhh... John... not sure whether to apologise for sending this on or not ;-) http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:34:01 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] an article from Ron - temporary posting This is only a few notches removed from what I saw when driving through the Harbin oil fields in China. They have iron pipes to move the crude to the refinery but there are pools of spilled crude everywhere and no one does diddly about the pollution. Al has obviously not chosen to accuse the true polluters, can't make money off them. Better to accuse the cleanest, best run refineries in the U.S.! :-( Biofuels are a small component but let's stop using FOOD for raw materials folks, it is distorting the markets to the detriment of all consumers. My contacts in Haiti say that the un peacekeepers are getting shot at in food riots resulting from a 30% price hike in food there, directly linked to the scarcity of grain (being diverted to ethanol production). Feh! Edward john wrote: > I'm not sure what to make of this... :) Did > Al Gore really approve? ;) > > will leave it up here until Wednesday: > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/tmp-until-16apr08.pdf > > enjoy, compliments of Ron. :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > # Dear John, > # > # I'm sure the enclosed would be of interest to the Diesel list readers. > # > # Is it possible to post it ? > # > # Cheers, > # > # Ron. > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ohhh... John... have seen this before... too bad they used a ZJ. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # not sure whether to apologise for sending this on or not ;-) # # http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html # # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] an article from Ron - temporary posting can they use saw grass for ethanol? we need to convert salt water to potable water and irrigate the deserts, that will allow more plants to grow to consume more carbon dioxide... win-win. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # This is only a few notches removed from what I saw when driving through the # Harbin oil fields in China. They have iron pipes to move the crude to the # refinery but there are pools of spilled crude everywhere and no one does # diddly about the pollution. Al has obviously not chosen to accuse the true # polluters, can't make money off them. Better to accuse the cleanest, best run # refineries in the U.S.! :-( # Biofuels are a small component but let's stop using FOOD for raw materials # folks, it is distorting the markets to the detriment of all consumers. My # contacts in Haiti say that the un peacekeepers are getting shot at in food # riots resulting from a 30% price hike in food there, directly linked to the # scarcity of grain (being diverted to ethanol production). Feh! # # Edward # # john wrote: # > I'm not sure what to make of this... :) Did # > Al Gore really approve? ;) # > # > will leave it up here until Wednesday: # > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/tmp-until-16apr08.pdf # > # > enjoy, compliments of Ron. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # > # > # Dear John, # > # # > # I'm sure the enclosed would be of interest to the Diesel list readers. # > # # > # Is it possible to post it ? # > # # > # Cheers, # > # # > # Ron. # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:33:57 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it until later as I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of stump shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 190D driver's side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the driveway??? Oh the stupidity of it all. So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need to take the whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's started to strip and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the window up high enough to keep it sealed. The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at the top of closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear must have shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new regulators, and then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a piece of plexiglass in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the "non-shattering" characteristic in plexiglass? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it # until later as # # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of # stump # # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 190D # driver's # # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the # driveway??? # # # # Oh the stupidity of it all. # # # # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need to # take the # # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's # started to strip # # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the # window up high # # enough to keep it sealed. # # # # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at the # top of # # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear must # have # # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new # regulators, and # # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a piece # of plexiglass # # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the # "non-shattering" # # characteristic in plexiglass? # # # Any advice is appreciated. # # # # Thanks, # Scott # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Well, right, because we all know that when the stump chunk hit the window it ALSO damaged the regulator too. Right, eh, eh, nudge, nudge.... ;) Jim - --- john wrote: > car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and > have them > UPS the parts down... or check with any glass > shop... > > bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not > sheetmetal... your > insurance should cover the costs of replacement, > less your ded. > > you might just have a glass shop handle the whole > thing...??? > > john > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, > didn't even realize it > # until later as > # > # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was > extremely loud..a piece of > # stump > # > # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a > direct hit with my 1985 190D > # driver's > # > # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I > leave the car in the > # driveway??? > # > # > # > # Oh the stupidity of it all. > # > # > # > # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on > this window? If I need to > # take the > # > # whole door apart, then I need to replace the > regulator too, because it's > # started to strip > # > # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the > top, and won't keep the > # window up high > # > # enough to keep it sealed. > # > # > # > # The passenger side regulator has some problem > too, as it went "Bink" at the > # top of > # > # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on > the window. The gear must > # have > # > # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should > just order two new > # regulators, and > # > # then figure out where to get the glass..in the > meantime, can I put a piece > # of plexiglass > # > # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that > just unsafe due to the > # "non-shattering" > # > # characteristic in plexiglass? > # > # > # Any advice is appreciated. > # > # > # > # Thanks, > # Scott > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D shouldn't be too bad, will be easier than a 123. :) too bad you're not closer, I could photograph your efforts... :) lucky for you that you don't have to worry so much about rain. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty good # prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. # Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the # backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they # are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I # can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll probably # just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts # come with a 6 month warranty. # # My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any good. # A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, but # for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I # need.... # # Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? # # Thanks, # Scott # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of john # Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM # To: Scott Haaland # Cc: 'DB List' # Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # # car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them # UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... # # bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your # insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. # # you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # # # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it # # until later as # # # # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of # # stump # # # # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 # 190D # # driver's # # # # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the # # driveway??? # # # # # # # # Oh the stupidity of it all. # # # # # # # # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need # to # # take the # # # # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's # # started to strip # # # # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the # # window up high # # # # enough to keep it sealed. # # # # # # # # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at # the # # top of # # # # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear # must # # have # # # # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new # # regulators, and # # # # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a # piece # # of plexiglass # # # # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the # # "non-shattering" # # # # characteristic in plexiglass? # # # # # # Any advice is appreciated. # # # # # # # # Thanks, # # Scott # # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2720 **********************************