From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Apr 14 13:29:12 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, April 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2721 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D [db] Herzog Car Topper (fwd) [db] adventures with Diesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:22:32 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty good prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll probably just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts come with a 6 month warranty. My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any good. A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, but for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I need.... Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? Thanks, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM To: Scott Haaland Cc: 'DB List' Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it # until later as # # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of # stump # # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 190D # driver's # # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the # driveway??? # # # # Oh the stupidity of it all. # # # # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need to # take the # # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's # started to strip # # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the # window up high # # enough to keep it sealed. # # # # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at the # top of # # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear must # have # # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new # regulators, and # # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a piece # of plexiglass # # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the # "non-shattering" # # characteristic in plexiglass? # # # Any advice is appreciated. # # # # Thanks, # Scott # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:57:31 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Remember to push the interior door panel up before just trying to pull it away from the door body. When I replaced a W123 regulator, I think I broke a plastic tab behind part of the big pocket on the bottom of the door panel, and I have heard that the W124 is almost entirely clips like that. Not sure which way a W201 will work. I also remember that getting the top of the door panel properly reattached right at the window opening took a couple of tries. Other memories from that long-ago work include using a couple layers of Saran Wrap behind the door panel to compensate for any cuts or tears in the original plastic moisture liner, and wishing I had fine tuned the upper and lower regulator travel stops BEFORE I put the panel back on. The other question is whether the regulator and motor are held in place strictly with screws, like my W123, or if they also use some rivets, like my W124. And the non-intuitive trick on the W123 was that there was a screw behind the inside door release handle. It was covered with just a black plastic piece that formed the back of the place you stick your fingers in to open the door. The plastic could be pried open pretty easily to expose the screw. Good luck, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 1k, the only Benz-family vehicle left in my stable On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Scott Haaland wrote: > I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty good > prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. > Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the > backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they > are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I > can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll probably > just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts > come with a 6 month warranty. > > My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any good. > A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, but > for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I > need.... > > Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? > > Thanks, > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM > To: Scott Haaland > Cc: 'DB List' > Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D > > car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them > UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... > > bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your > insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. > > you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it > # until later as > # > # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of > # stump > # > # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 > 190D > # driver's > # > # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the > # driveway??? > # > # > # > # Oh the stupidity of it all. > # > # > # > # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need > to > # take the > # > # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's > # started to strip > # > # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the > # window up high > # > # enough to keep it sealed. > # > # > # > # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at > the > # top of > # > # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear > must > # have > # > # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new > # regulators, and > # > # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a > piece > # of plexiglass > # > # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the > # "non-shattering" > # > # characteristic in plexiglass? > # > # > # Any advice is appreciated. > # > # > # > # Thanks, > # Scott > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:36:38 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Alec, Great advice...I remember that pesky screw behind the door handle on my W116...took me a long time to find that. I took that one apart but never got around to putting it back together before I donated the beast. I especially like the advice to fine tune the regulator BEFORE replacing the door panel....now, that just makes sense, but it's exactly the kind of thing I would forget to do in my excitement to get everything back together too quickly. Thanks, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Alec Cordova [mailto:benzaholic-at-gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:58 AM To: Scott Haaland Cc: DB List Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Remember to push the interior door panel up before just trying to pull it away from the door body. When I replaced a W123 regulator, I think I broke a plastic tab behind part of the big pocket on the bottom of the door panel, and I have heard that the W124 is almost entirely clips like that. Not sure which way a W201 will work. I also remember that getting the top of the door panel properly reattached right at the window opening took a couple of tries. Other memories from that long-ago work include using a couple layers of Saran Wrap behind the door panel to compensate for any cuts or tears in the original plastic moisture liner, and wishing I had fine tuned the upper and lower regulator travel stops BEFORE I put the panel back on. The other question is whether the regulator and motor are held in place strictly with screws, like my W123, or if they also use some rivets, like my W124. And the non-intuitive trick on the W123 was that there was a screw behind the inside door release handle. It was covered with just a black plastic piece that formed the back of the place you stick your fingers in to open the door. The plastic could be pried open pretty easily to expose the screw. Good luck, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 1k, the only Benz-family vehicle left in my stable On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Scott Haaland wrote: > I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty good > prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. > Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the > backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they > are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I > can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll probably > just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts > come with a 6 month warranty. > > My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any good. > A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, but > for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I > need.... > > Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? > > Thanks, > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM > To: Scott Haaland > Cc: 'DB List' > Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D > > car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them > UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... > > bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your > insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. > > you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize it > # until later as > # > # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece of > # stump > # > # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 > 190D > # driver's > # > # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the > # driveway??? > # > # > # > # Oh the stupidity of it all. > # > # > # > # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I need > to > # take the > # > # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because it's > # started to strip > # > # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the > # window up high > # > # enough to keep it sealed. > # > # > # > # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" at > the > # top of > # > # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The gear > must > # have > # > # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new > # regulators, and > # > # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a > piece > # of plexiglass > # > # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the > # "non-shattering" > # > # characteristic in plexiglass? > # > # > # Any advice is appreciated. > # > # > # > # Thanks, > # Scott > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Herzog Car Topper (fwd) here's one ride you won't catch me on. :) fun with a backhoe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4toJA5EXcM&NR=1 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] adventures with Diesel Ed, that is just so wrong... :) gas to Diesel, not the other way around... :) you only had 4 bolt mains and better webbing with the post-82 5.7's and those were also with beefed up headbolts and roller lifter cams, worth using as a Diesel... they were experimenting with those Olds 5.7's with individual ram air tubes for each cylinder... a 4 speed manual... they had one that would fry the tires... they were considering a 442 olds type Diesel setup... can't remember where I saw that article, but the idea of individual runners for each cylinder is still a pretty cool idea... I bet I could come up with a pretty interesting air intake setup on my 6.2 that way... tuned input pipes with individual air filters... could bend the pipes and use air mufflers on each one to quiet the intake noise and help it breath... my hood is damaged already, hmmm... maybe 8 snorkels/stacks... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # And those Olds Diesels were sucky diesels, but convert to gasoline, they are awesome! Just replace the heads and intake with a 400ci motor, re-route some oil journals, new cam and HEI distributor and you have a 350ci motor with 9.25:1 Compression ratio that is very capable of making 300-400 HP and almost no possiblity of explosions (4 bold mains and full webbing helps) and no worries of spinning a bearing like on the bigger olds motors! # This is the mill sitting in my garage ready to displace the 455 sitting in my 72 convertible Cutlass. (once it gets back from being restored) # Ed # web/gadget guru # # john wrote: # On my '78 and '80 Olds Diesels with the 5.7Ls the alternator # was on the driver's side top. # # The alternator on my 6.2's have always been on the pass side upper. # A/c pump drivers side top. # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # # # My folks' '80 Toronado 5.7 diesel had the alternator on the passenger # # side, top. # # # # - Landon # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim # # Blair # # Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:29 PM # # To: john # # Cc: FSJ-at-digest.net; xj # # Subject: xj: Junkyard shopping # # # # Went to the Pull-A-Part yard today and only 1 Olds style GM diesel (dual # # alts. # # No AC) I did see several later model Olds V8s with AC. Wonder if the # # brackets # # are the same? (mounted on passenger's side) Got myself a front shaft for # # my MJ # # (double cardan style) and the plate that goes between trans and trans # # mount # # (with the exhaust hanger) # # Tomorrow I'll be up at my cabin loading up the parts XJ (for scrap) # # and # # starting to dismantle the J4000 and pulling the motor from the '77 J10 # # shortbox (after dropping the 4 cyl/5 speed into the '86 Comanche). # # 360/T18A/D20 will be going to Brian's friend Bob and the 304 from the # # J4000 # # will be headed to the '77 J10 with a 727 and Dodge NP208 (RH drop to # # match the # # J20 axles under the shortbox) # # Next week, I'll haul the scrap metal in, and maybe get a load of # # brush to # # the dump too. (and more car stuff done too) # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # # More immediate than e-mail? 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