From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 15 08:31:31 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2722 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] ohhh... John... Re: [db] ohhh... John... [db] auxillary fuel bladders? Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? RE: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? RE: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:12:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] ohhh... John... got my Diesel XJ back on the road yesterday (after nearly 6 months off the road.. ) Got the parts on Friday, then Sat, cleaned up the heads, put in new lifters, new lifter clips, headgasket, oiled the cylinders, torqued down the head bolts (what a job! 18 of them!), cleaned and fitted the oil lines, water manifold + new gaskets, intake + exhaust manifold + new gasket, push rods, refitted the cooling system (rad, fan, pipes), intake system , ECU, front grill, injector lines , return lines, engine oil, steering column, injector wiring and eventually fired it up on Sunday morning ;-) Wheuu... Delighted with it, it sounds v.smooth, just needs some new injector copper o-rings to finish (slight leak). Steve On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:58 PM, john wrote: > have seen this before... too bad they used a ZJ. ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # not sure whether to apologise for sending this on or not ;-) > # > # http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html > # > # Steve > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ohhh... John... congrats... just emissions tested my '91 GW with the 6.2... scored 1% (max was 20% opacity) at 25mph on the rollers. idle was set at 680 rpm, did that by ear... ideal was 650. :) whoo hoo... we're legal and fully operational. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # got my Diesel XJ back on the road yesterday (after nearly 6 months off the # road.. ) # Got the parts on Friday, then Sat, cleaned up the heads, put in new lifters, # new lifter clips, headgasket, oiled the cylinders, torqued down the head # bolts (what a job! 18 of them!), cleaned and fitted the oil lines, water # manifold + new gaskets, intake + exhaust manifold + new gasket, push rods, # refitted the cooling system (rad, fan, pipes), intake system , ECU, front # grill, injector lines , return lines, engine oil, steering column, injector # wiring and eventually fired it up on Sunday morning ;-) # Wheuu... # # Delighted with it, it sounds v.smooth, just needs some new injector copper # o-rings to finish (slight leak). # # Steve # # On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:58 PM, john wrote: # # > have seen this before... too bad they used a ZJ. ;) # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # not sure whether to apologise for sending this on or not ;-) # > # # > # http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html # > # # > # Steve # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? This came up as a discussion a while back, the old links on my server are dead, but a fresh google search came up with: http://www.interstateproducts.com/fuel_storage_bladders.htm Thinking about a summer trip to South Dakota in Omega ('91 Grand Wagoneer with 6.2L Diesel), or maybe the '91 300D... been collecting veggie oil for a few years and thinking it might come in handy... Figure about 2,800 miles round trip... if I drive the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel and get only 18 mpg I'll need about 115 gallons beyond the 40 gallons I already can carry... the 100 gallon pillow tank would fit in the back of the bed without too much problem: US Gal. Liters Lbs Kg Inches Feet Meters 100 379 100 46 36 x 38 x 17 4.5 x 4.8 1.4 x 1.5 the BioDiesel or Veggie oil would weigh about 700lbs, hmmm... wouldn't think of trying something like this with Gasoline... that could make a very large hole in the pavement somewhere. :) If I drove the '91 300D it should get at least 33 mpg (have gotten nearly 40 with it), so I'd only need to bring 84 gallons, it holds 20 so I'd need an additional 64 gallons, at $4.50/gal I'd only need to buy about $300 worth of fuel... Not sure what the bladder costs... but I'm thinking that it's cost and carrying a half a ton of fuel up over the Cascades and Rockies might not be as cost effective as stopping to find waste veggie oil on the way, or just buying Diesel on the road. If I drove the Grand Wagoneer at 18mpg (6.2L Diesel) I'd need $700 for fuel at 4.5/gal If I drove the 300D at 33 mpg (2.5L Diesel) I'd need $381 for fuel. If we drove the '99 WJ (as we have oh so many times before) we'd get about 17 mpg at $3.75/gal or $618.00 Wow. bummer, the WJ would be cheaper than my Grand Wagoneer if I had to buy Diesel. But since I'd start out with at least 40 to 60 gallons of BioDiesel, I could knock the total costs down by filling both tanks and carrying a few "cubies" and tossing them. That would bring the costs down to $430. I could carry a few cubies in the 300D as well... I think it's time to setup an excel spreadsheet... I don't think the fuel bladder would be cost effective to buy. Might be worth looking into though... Anyone know of inexpensive sources for a fuel bladder capable of holding Diesel? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:21:30 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? If it were black, and roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive solar! =) - --chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... :) the roof would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # If it were black, and roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive # solar! =) # # --chuck # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:20:25 -0500 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? Is toting a small trailer out of the question? I think it would be easier to load and unload the trailer and you could just put a couple of drums on it. Also if something was to leak it would be inside the vehicle. A trailer like http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_1 0001_33983_______14297|14337|14342|33983?listingPage=true Also good for toting lawnmowers and drums of WVO for collection points. Allen> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: cg-at-goolsbee.org> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders?> > 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... :)> > the roof would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. :)> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote:> > # If it were black, and roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive> # solar! =)> # > # - --chuck> # > # _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? I've got a rear carrier, hauled two barrels up to chuck's for bioDiesel conversion... pictures to follow. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # Is toting a small trailer out of the question? I think it would be easier to # load and unload the trailer and you could just put a couple of drums on it. # Also if something was to leak it would be inside the vehicle. A trailer like # http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_1 # 0001_33983_______14297|14337|14342|33983?listingPage=true # # Also good for toting lawnmowers and drums of WVO for collection points. # # Allen> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: # cg-at-goolsbee.org> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel # bladders?> > 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... :)> > the roof # would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. :)> > -----> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On # Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote:> > # If it were black, and # roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive> # solar! =)> # > # # --chuck> # > # # _________________________________________________________________ # Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. # http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 # A # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2722 **********************************