From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 15 17:21:32 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 16 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2724 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? [db] GW's Pop Up In The Strangest Places (fwd) Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? [db] Re; auxillary fuel bladders? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:12:10 -0500 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_7262_7262 http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_7262_7262 Alec Cordova wrote: > Well, I found one for 500 bucks that weighs 263 pounds, max load > capacity of 1187 pounds, but it looks like it's still 7 feet long when > folded. > http://www.redtrailers.com/ShowTrailer.asp?id=7 > > Looks very well made, though. > > Alec > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Alec Cordova wrote: > >> We all know what happens when you decide to build a custom trailer. >> How much did that beast weigh when it was all said and done, about >> 8,000 pounds? ;-) >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM, john wrote: >> > that's what I was thinking... wouldn't need 2000lb load >> > capacity... what would be nice is about 1,000lb payload >> > and then I could tow this behind my 300D to haul oil >> > around... could get by with a smaller platform as well. >> > >> > of course, a sawzall and welder could take care of it. ;) >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: >> > >> > # Is there such a thing as a lightweight collapsible trailer? Something >> > >> > >> > # you could unfold, lock securely open, hook to the vehicle, load with >> > # full fuel bladders (or WVO drums), and when the bladders are empty or >> > # the trailer is otherwise not needed, fold it up and store on the roof >> > # rack. If it were under 200 pounds empty, that would be handy. >> > # >> > # Alec >> > # >> > # On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM, john wrote: >> > # > I've got a rear carrier, hauled two barrels up to chuck's for bioDiesel >> > # > conversion... pictures to follow. >> > # > >> > # > john >> > # > >> > # > ----- >> > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > # > >> > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> > # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** >> > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > # > >> > # > >> > # > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: >> > # > >> > # > # Is toting a small trailer out of the question? I think it would be easier to >> > # > >> > # > >> > # > # load and unload the trailer and you could just put a couple of drums on it. >> > # > # Also if something was to leak it would be inside the vehicle. A trailer like >> > # > # http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_1 >> > # > # 0001_33983_______14297|14337|14342|33983?listingPage=true >> > # > # >> > # > # Also good for toting lawnmowers and drums of WVO for collection points. >> > # > # >> > # > # Allen> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: >> > # > # cg-at-goolsbee.org> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel >> > # > # bladders?> > 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... :)> > the roof >> > # > # would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. :)> > -----> >> > # > # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> >> > # > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **> >> > # > # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On >> > # > # Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote:> > # If it were black, and >> > # > # roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive> # solar! =)> # > # >> > # > # --chuck> # > # >> > # > # _________________________________________________________________ >> > # > # Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. >> > # > # http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 >> > # > # A >> > # > # >> > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? harborfreight has something like that, for $269. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Category.taf?CategoryID=441&pricetype= http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90154 weighs 287 lbs. folds up to 2'x5'3" problem with this is the annual license costs... I'm paying $55/year for my utility trailer now thanx to the democrats having control of olympia... used to be $10/yr for my trailer... I actually bought this: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92655 I set it up without the side rails and used it to carry two barrels up to chuck's... I've got pictures, will post them at: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-15-misc-spring john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # Well, I found one for 500 bucks that weighs 263 pounds, max load # capacity of 1187 pounds, but it looks like it's still 7 feet long when # folded. # http://www.redtrailers.com/ShowTrailer.asp?id=7 # # Looks very well made, though. # # Alec # # # On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Alec Cordova wrote: # > We all know what happens when you decide to build a custom trailer. # > How much did that beast weigh when it was all said and done, about # > 8,000 pounds? ;-) # > # > Alec # > # > # > # > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM, john wrote: # > > that's what I was thinking... wouldn't need 2000lb load # > > capacity... what would be nice is about 1,000lb payload # > > and then I could tow this behind my 300D to haul oil # > > around... could get by with a smaller platform as well. # > > # > > of course, a sawzall and welder could take care of it. ;) # > > # > > # > > ----- # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > # > > # > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > > # > > # Is there such a thing as a lightweight collapsible trailer? Something # > > # > > # > > # you could unfold, lock securely open, hook to the vehicle, load with # > > # full fuel bladders (or WVO drums), and when the bladders are empty or # > > # the trailer is otherwise not needed, fold it up and store on the roof # > > # rack. If it were under 200 pounds empty, that would be handy. # > > # # > > # Alec # > > # # > > # On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM, john wrote: # > > # > I've got a rear carrier, hauled two barrels up to chuck's for bioDiesel # > > # > conversion... pictures to follow. # > > # > # > > # > john # > > # > # > > # > ----- # > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > # > # > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # > > # > # > > # > # Is toting a small trailer out of the question? I think it would be easier to # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # load and unload the trailer and you could just put a couple of drums on it. # > > # > # Also if something was to leak it would be inside the vehicle. A trailer like # > > # > # http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_1 # > > # > # 0001_33983_______14297|14337|14342|33983?listingPage=true # > > # > # # > > # > # Also good for toting lawnmowers and drums of WVO for collection points. # > > # > # # > > # > # Allen> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: # > > # > # cg-at-goolsbee.org> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel # > > # > # bladders?> > 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... :)> > the roof # > > # > # would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. :)> > -----> # > > # > # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # > > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # > > # > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **> # > > # > # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On # > > # > # Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote:> > # If it were black, and # > > # > # roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive> # solar! =)> # > # # > > # > # --chuck> # > # # > > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > > # > # Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. # > > # > # http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 # > > # > # A # > > # > # # > > # # > > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? or putting it on the roof rack of a full size Jeep. ;) Actually, I've seen these trailers before folded up, they have rollers on the bottoms, about where the taillights are... my uncle in LA has one, and one of my friends up here has one from Costco. But even at 287lbs I'm not likely to able to put that on top of my Jeep by myself, especially considering back problems... (my mind is still writing checks my body can't cash. ;) The rear cargo insert is a better idea as you'll soon see... pictures coming... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Jan Guthrie wrote: # You have to read that it takes up 2'x5'3" of floor space. That assumes that # you are propping it up against a wall. # # Jan # # john wrote: # > harborfreight has something like that, for $269. # > # > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Category.taf?CategoryID=441&pricetype= # > # > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90154 # > # > weighs 287 lbs. folds up to 2'x5'3" # > # > problem with this is the annual license costs... I'm paying $55/year for # > my utility trailer now thanx to the democrats having control of olympia... # > used to be $10/yr for my trailer... # > # > I actually bought this: # > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92655 # > I set it up without the side rails and used it to carry two barrels up # > to chuck's... # > # > I've got pictures, will post them at: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-15-misc-spring # > # > j # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] GW's Pop Up In The Strangest Places (fwd) http://hlineconversion.com/tv-media.php Maybe I'll just trade Arnold for his BioDiesel Hummer and save him the trouble. ;) pretty cool when I'm ahead of the pack... been contemplating this Diesel powered FSJ since the late '80s... see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg http://wagoneers.com/XJ/GarageScenes-Jan93-XJ.jpg excerpt from: http://hlineconversion.com/tv-media.php Goodwin will then start converting Schwarzenegger.s 1987 Jeep Grand Wagoneer to run on biodiesel. GM has also talked to Goodwin about having him build an H2 Bio/Hydrogen Hummer for the governor, a dual-fuel technology vehicle that can run on both biodiesel and hydrogen. This would .pretty much just emit water and vegetable oil,. he says. A similar process may take place with one of the governor.s old military-style H1 Hummers. Details of all the conversions Goodwin has planned will be captured by the Discovery Channel and a German television channel comparable to National Geographic, which began filming its first installment in early June. Goodwin says another possible show topic would cover the work he is doing on biodiesel engine conversions in offshore pleasure boats. Portions of the series will be taped in high definition, and all the conversions will be completed by the end of the summer, so the vehicles can be displayed at the 2007 SEMA show in late October. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have studied the Liberty thoroughly, and just can not easily bring myself to love its interior. That is an ugly interior. Contrary to what most people think, I judge the interior of a vehicle very harshly, because that is where you will spend your time interacting with the vehicle, so it has to be the right environment to make the owner happy. Then I had a moment of inspiration, or was it perspiration, and I said since Liberty is ugly why not check out a hummer. They should come with diesel engines. Well actually they don't; but many people have put Duramax engines into h1's & 2's/ There is even a company out there who has a 6.2 conversion for an H3. They do not mention the cost; so I know i can not afford it. In my search I came across this guy who claims to be the Guru of the Duramax install. This is interesting since several other companies claim the same thing. Who do you trust? Well anyway this one fellow talks about some of his work on his web site: http://hlineconversion.com/tv-media.php As you read down suddenly you see a reference to a project with an 87 GW that is owned by a person of some fame. Now I checked the rest of the net to see if the GW project ever took place and I do not see any information that it ever happened. The Admiral ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? you are too funny... 500 gallons... :) price is right though... 275lbs, might work as a fueling station... shall I run down and pick up a couple for us? ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/642918340.html # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:49 -0700 From: "Roy Sharp" Subject: [db] Re; auxillary fuel bladders? What ever happened to single (caster) wheeled trailers that used two-point attachment to the rear bumper? For that matter, what ever happened to bumpers?! Roy (old geezer) Sharp - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Cordova" To: "john" Cc: "Diesel Benz Digest" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [db] auxillary fuel bladders? > Well, I found one for 500 bucks that weighs 263 pounds, max load > capacity of 1187 pounds, but it looks like it's still 7 feet long when > folded. > http://www.redtrailers.com/ShowTrailer.asp?id=7 > > Looks very well made, though. > > Alec > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Alec Cordova > wrote: >> We all know what happens when you decide to build a custom trailer. >> How much did that beast weigh when it was all said and done, about >> 8,000 pounds? ;-) >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM, john wrote: >> > that's what I was thinking... wouldn't need 2000lb load >> > capacity... what would be nice is about 1,000lb payload >> > and then I could tow this behind my 300D to haul oil >> > around... could get by with a smaller platform as well. >> > >> > of course, a sawzall and welder could take care of it. ;) >> > >> > >> > ----- >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ >> ** >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: >> > >> > # Is there such a thing as a lightweight collapsible trailer? >> Something >> > >> > >> > # you could unfold, lock securely open, hook to the vehicle, load >> with >> > # full fuel bladders (or WVO drums), and when the bladders are empty >> or >> > # the trailer is otherwise not needed, fold it up and store on the >> roof >> > # rack. If it were under 200 pounds empty, that would be handy. >> > # >> > # Alec >> > # >> > # On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM, john wrote: >> > # > I've got a rear carrier, hauled two barrels up to chuck's for >> bioDiesel >> > # > conversion... pictures to follow. >> > # > >> > # > john >> > # > >> > # > ----- >> > # >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > # > >> > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they >> mold >> > # > http://wagoneers.com ** >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** >> > # >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > # > >> > # > >> > # > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: >> > # > >> > # > # Is toting a small trailer out of the question? I think it >> would be easier to >> > # > >> > # > >> > # > # load and unload the trailer and you could just put a couple >> of drums on it. >> > # > # Also if something was to leak it would be inside the >> vehicle. A trailer like >> > # > # >> http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_1 >> > # > # 0001_33983_______14297|14337|14342|33983?listingPage=true >> > # > # >> > # > # Also good for toting lawnmowers and drums of WVO for >> collection points. >> > # > # >> > # > # Allen> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:38:06 -0700> From: >> john-at-wagoneers.com> To: >> > # > # cg-at-goolsbee.org> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: >> [db] auxillary fuel >> > # > # bladders?> > 700 lbs on the roof... could be interesting... >> :)> > the roof >> > # > # would hold it, but I'm not sure how well it would corner. >> :)> > -----> >> > # > >> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they >> mold> >> > # > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **> >> > # > >> # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > > On >> > # > # Mon, 14 Apr 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote:> > # If it were >> black, and >> > # > # roof-mounted it could pre-heat your WVO with passive> # >> solar! =)> # > # >> > # > # --chuck> # > # >> > # > # >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > # > # Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. >> > # > # >> http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 >> > # > # A >> > # > # >> > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2724 **********************************