From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Apr 21 14:37:11 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, April 21 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2730 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D [db] tires Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D oh, this will be good... how cold is it Scott? :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # I finally got the door torn apart...looks like the dismantler gave me the # wrong part for the regulator/motor assembly. It's like apples and oranges, # and looks like it came from an 87 190E....I guess Mercedes changed the # design from 85 to 87 on the W201? I'm going to inspect it some more to see # if I'm supposed to disassemble part of the old one and attach it to the new # one, but even the bolts seem to be on the wrong side, and the gears are a # different length and arc...strange. # # I'll at least get the replacement glass installed today. The cold snap that # caused John some snow has been putting a nip in the air here in Sacramento # the last week. It's cold driving around with the window down/gone.... # # BTW: There was one bolt under the plastic (took pictures) by the door # handle, and the only other tricky part is removing the rod from the door # handle that goes to the release latch. Then the rest of the shell just # lifts up and off (tried prying it for a while, but finally figured out that # it lifts up...) # # R, # Scott # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Scott Haaland # Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:37 PM # To: 'Alec Cordova' # Cc: 'DB List' # Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # # Alec, # # Great advice...I remember that pesky screw behind the door handle on my # W116...took me a long time to find that. I took that one apart but never # got around to putting it back together before I donated the beast. # # I especially like the advice to fine tune the regulator BEFORE replacing the # door panel....now, that just makes sense, but it's exactly the kind of thing # I would forget to do in my excitement to get everything back together too # quickly. # # Thanks, # Scott # # # -----Original Message----- # From: Alec Cordova [mailto:benzaholic-at-gmail.com] # Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:58 AM # To: Scott Haaland # Cc: DB List # Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # # Remember to push the interior door panel up before just trying to pull # it away from the door body. When I replaced a W123 regulator, I think # I broke a plastic tab behind part of the big pocket on the bottom of # the door panel, and I have heard that the W124 is almost entirely # clips like that. Not sure which way a W201 will work. # # I also remember that getting the top of the door panel properly # reattached right at the window opening took a couple of tries. # # Other memories from that long-ago work include using a couple layers # of Saran Wrap behind the door panel to compensate for any cuts or # tears in the original plastic moisture liner, and wishing I had fine # tuned the upper and lower regulator travel stops BEFORE I put the # panel back on. # # The other question is whether the regulator and motor are held in # place strictly with screws, like my W123, or if they also use some # rivets, like my W124. # # And the non-intuitive trick on the W123 was that there was a screw # behind the inside door release handle. It was covered with just a # black plastic piece that formed the back of the place you stick your # fingers in to open the door. The plastic could be pried open pretty # easily to expose the screw. # # Good luck, # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 08 smart fortwo, 1k, the only Benz-family vehicle left in my stable # # On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Scott Haaland # wrote: # > I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty # good # > prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. # > Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the # > backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they # > are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I # > can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll # probably # > just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts # > come with a 6 month warranty. # > # > My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any # good. # > A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, # but # > for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I # > need.... # > # > Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? # > # > Thanks, # > Scott # > # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] # On # > Behalf Of john # > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM # > To: Scott Haaland # > Cc: 'DB List' # > Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # > # > car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them # > UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... # > # > bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your # > insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. # > # > you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # > # > # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize # it # > # until later as # > # # > # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece # of # > # stump # > # # > # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 # > 190D # > # driver's # > # # > # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the # > # driveway??? # > # # > # # > # # > # Oh the stupidity of it all. # > # # > # # > # # > # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I # need # > to # > # take the # > # # > # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because # it's # > # started to strip # > # # > # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the # > # window up high # > # # > # enough to keep it sealed. # > # # > # # > # # > # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" # at # > the # > # top of # > # # > # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The # gear # > must # > # have # > # # > # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new # > # regulators, and # > # # > # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a # > piece # > # of plexiglass # > # # > # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the # > # "non-shattering" # > # # > # characteristic in plexiglass? # > # # > # # > # Any advice is appreciated. # > # # > # # > # # > # Thanks, # > # Scott # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:36:55 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D It was all the way down to 42 this morning. But don't worry, I put on two sweatshirts...I'll survive ;) There was a runner who got lost in the Sierra's last night...survived in shorts and a T-shirt. Got down into the 30's. Scott - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:02 PM To: Scott Haaland Cc: 'DB List' Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D oh, this will be good... how cold is it Scott? :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # I finally got the door torn apart...looks like the dismantler gave me the # wrong part for the regulator/motor assembly. It's like apples and oranges, # and looks like it came from an 87 190E....I guess Mercedes changed the # design from 85 to 87 on the W201? I'm going to inspect it some more to see # if I'm supposed to disassemble part of the old one and attach it to the new # one, but even the bolts seem to be on the wrong side, and the gears are a # different length and arc...strange. # # I'll at least get the replacement glass installed today. The cold snap that # caused John some snow has been putting a nip in the air here in Sacramento # the last week. It's cold driving around with the window down/gone.... # # BTW: There was one bolt under the plastic (took pictures) by the door # handle, and the only other tricky part is removing the rod from the door # handle that goes to the release latch. Then the rest of the shell just # lifts up and off (tried prying it for a while, but finally figured out that # it lifts up...) # # R, # Scott # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Scott Haaland # Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:37 PM # To: 'Alec Cordova' # Cc: 'DB List' # Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # # Alec, # # Great advice...I remember that pesky screw behind the door handle on my # W116...took me a long time to find that. I took that one apart but never # got around to putting it back together before I donated the beast. # # I especially like the advice to fine tune the regulator BEFORE replacing the # door panel....now, that just makes sense, but it's exactly the kind of thing # I would forget to do in my excitement to get everything back together too # quickly. # # Thanks, # Scott # # # -----Original Message----- # From: Alec Cordova [mailto:benzaholic-at-gmail.com] # Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:58 AM # To: Scott Haaland # Cc: DB List # Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # # Remember to push the interior door panel up before just trying to pull # it away from the door body. When I replaced a W123 regulator, I think # I broke a plastic tab behind part of the big pocket on the bottom of # the door panel, and I have heard that the W124 is almost entirely # clips like that. Not sure which way a W201 will work. # # I also remember that getting the top of the door panel properly # reattached right at the window opening took a couple of tries. # # Other memories from that long-ago work include using a couple layers # of Saran Wrap behind the door panel to compensate for any cuts or # tears in the original plastic moisture liner, and wishing I had fine # tuned the upper and lower regulator travel stops BEFORE I put the # panel back on. # # The other question is whether the regulator and motor are held in # place strictly with screws, like my W123, or if they also use some # rivets, like my W124. # # And the non-intuitive trick on the W123 was that there was a screw # behind the inside door release handle. It was covered with just a # black plastic piece that formed the back of the place you stick your # fingers in to open the door. The plastic could be pried open pretty # easily to expose the screw. # # Good luck, # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 08 smart fortwo, 1k, the only Benz-family vehicle left in my stable # # On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Scott Haaland # wrote: # > I just found an auto dismantler locally (Rancho Cordova) who has pretty # good # > prices...$45 for the glass, and $55 per door for the regulator + motor. # > Both of my motors are still functioning, so I guess they can become the # > backups for later, but that's a fantastic deal for these....granted, they # > are used, and probably coming off cars that are also 28 years old...but I # > can't afford to pour lots of cash into this car right now, so I'll # probably # > just get the used parts and at least it will last for a while. The parts # > come with a 6 month warranty. # > # > My deductable is $250 for insurance, so that's not going to do me any # good. # > A mobile auto glass guy quoted me $155 to come to my house and replace, # but # > for that price, I can almost get the glass and both regulators that I # > need.... # > # > Any words of advice on the R&R procedure for the window parts? # > # > Thanks, # > Scott # > # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] # On # > Behalf Of john # > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:07 AM # > To: Scott Haaland # > Cc: 'DB List' # > Subject: Re: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D # > # > car-parts.com or give Aurora Wrecking a call and have them # > UPS the parts down... or check with any glass shop... # > # > bummer... just be glad it hit glass and not sheetmetal... your # > insurance should cover the costs of replacement, less your ded. # > # > you might just have a glass shop handle the whole thing...??? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # > # > # I was grinding out a big stump in the front yard, didn't even realize # it # > # until later as # > # # > # I had my ear plugs on and the engine noise was extremely loud..a piece # of # > # stump # > # # > # shrapnel was launched about 25 feet and had a direct hit with my 1985 # > 190D # > # driver's # > # # > # side window. It's completely gone. Why did I leave the car in the # > # driveway??? # > # # > # # > # # > # Oh the stupidity of it all. # > # # > # # > # # > # So, what's the procedure to replace the glass on this window? If I # need # > to # > # take the # > # # > # whole door apart, then I need to replace the regulator too, because # it's # > # started to strip # > # # > # and has been knocking as the gears slip at the top, and won't keep the # > # window up high # > # # > # enough to keep it sealed. # > # # > # # > # # > # The passenger side regulator has some problem too, as it went "Bink" # at # > the # > # top of # > # # > # closing, and now the motor runs with no effect on the window. The # gear # > must # > # have # > # # > # shattered a tooth or something. I guess I should just order two new # > # regulators, and # > # # > # then figure out where to get the glass..in the meantime, can I put a # > piece # > # of plexiglass # > # # > # in the window until I get parts?? Or is that just unsafe due to the # > # "non-shattering" # > # # > # characteristic in plexiglass? # > # # > # # > # Any advice is appreciated. # > # # > # # > # # > # Thanks, # > # Scott # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:42:32 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D Ok...so it's definitely the wrong part. I actually managed to get it installed, but the window starts binding about half way up. The motor is on the wrong side of the regulator, and there isn't enough room for both the motor and the curvature of the window. I'll have to take it back and exchange it....rats.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:02 PM To: Scott Haaland Cc: 'DB List' Subject: RE: [db] Stump Grinder Casualty - 190D oh, this will be good... how cold is it Scott? :) john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] tires found a set of Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S's in 31x10.5 on craigslist, like new, only been used about a month... heading down south to get them in a few hours... currently have three sets of 235s... set of bridgestone blizzaks, the michelin atx lts (in centralia on superdawg) and then some off brand currently on omega. The off brand on the jeep now will be for sale cheap, they have good tread, work very well in snow and rain... ride nice... mesa a/p or something like that? make me an offer... gear/speedo delta: have 235/75r15 now, getting 31x10.5... 28.9"/30.6" = 0.94444 -1 = ~ 5.55% (6%) delta, so when my go meter says 60mph I'll really be doing 63.6 mph. we'll see how it does for looks and ride... larger tires should help the ride I would think... If nothing else it'll look cooler... :) and just think, it'll add 0.85" of additional ground clearance... I'd better get that step stool... :) john ========================================================== tire info: http://www.yokohama.co.nz/geolandar_ats.html Size 31X10.5SR15 Load Index 109 = 2271lbs (1030kg) per tire Speed Rating .S. = 112mph (180kph) 109S C Max Load 2270 lbs. Max. Inflation Press. 50 psi Tread Depth 17/32" Tire Weight 44 lbs. Rim Width 7-9" Meas. Rim Width 8.5" Sect. Width 10.7" Tread Width 8.3" Overall Diam. 30.6" Revs Per Mile 680 specs from: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Yokohama&model=Geolandar+A%2FT-S&tirePageLocQty= http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Geolandar+A%2FT-S#Survev Averages 14 89% 7.7 8.4 8.4 7.9 8.8 8.0 8.4 7.8 6.8 8.0 7.4 7.6 15,524,638 =============================================== http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=LTX+A%2FT Averages 10 91% 8.4 7.9 7.9 8.0 8.8 8.2 8.1 7.9 7.3 8.3 8.0 9.1 20,403,262 235/75SR15 Load Index 108 = 2205lbs (1000kg) per tire Speed Rating .S. = 112mph (180kph) 108S XL Treadwear: 500 Traction: A Temperature: B500 A B 2183 lbs. 50 psi 14/32" 34 lbs. 6-8" 6.5" 9.3" NA 28.9" 721 =============================================== ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2730 **********************************