From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 29 05:08:05 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 29 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2738 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Saturday upside down Re: [db] Saturday upside down Re: [db] Saturday upside down Re: [db] Saturday upside down Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Saturday upside down is this the same thing I did on shadowfax a few years back? the only problem was the speeding ticket during the performance test of my work. ;) is this what you did? http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ if not, got pictures? :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # I replaced the seals on the IP and through being in a rush, messed up the # positioning of two of the itty bitty barrel shaped thingies at the base of # the chamber. I did not know it at the time. Since then I have dismantled the # top end and ever so carefully rotated and replaced the two that are wonky, # trying small shifts in position. Got close with one, but out of five IP pump # pistons I have three that work, one partial and one not at all. Black smoke # galore out the tailpipe and the car runs with diminished power. After so # many tries and even reading the Bosch manuals and trying again I gave up. # Taking it to a pro to have him take out the whole pump, ship it to a licensed # rebuilder and then re-insert it correctly. A special tool is needed for that # last step and at 500 bucks plus the learning curve, I will pay the guy to do # it right once. My own damned fault for being rushed. As best I can determine # there is this miniscule (1/32 inch pin that is maybe about that long, that is # supposed to guide the barrel into position, I think I damaged 2 of them. We # shall see. Can't imagine Bosch would build it so that it could not be # repaired with new bits. I have a junkyard IP of almost identical vintage to # scavenge the parts from. Hoping this keeps the whole job under $1500 or so. # Learned my lesson tho'. No more rush jobs on the Benz. Do it by the book or # not at all. # # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > Wow, sounds like fun. Almost as much fun as my weekend! # > # > VW has always been a bit tricky to work on, IMHO. They're just a bit too # > cramped for my tastes. And any time you get plastic involved, trouble is # > sure # > to ensue...... # > # > What was wrong with the IP? I've have lots of these and never rebuilt one # > yet, # > and it's not like I pamper them........ # > # > J # > # > -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > Well - the sun is shining and the temps climbed from 42 at 6 AM to 60 by # > 2PM , so I decided to fix the Jetta diesel ABS sensor that has gone # > wonky. Simple job, right? Remove one screw, disconnect plug, remove # > old sensor, insert new sensor, reconnect, insert screw and done! Yeah, # > rignt!>$P<>!-at- # > # > Anyone that says German engineering is improving is out to lunch. The # > old sensor sheared on the backplate when attempted removal and what was # > left was immobile. To get it out had to remove brake caliper, then # > upside down on back, with about 14" clearance under car and no space to # > speak of, pound the plastic from back to push old bit towards disk and # > hope it comes out. Yeah, right!. Small chips, so keep at it. Break long # > screwdriver handle, that's ok, the steel part is better to strike # > anyway....2 hours later, all bits out of the way, almost done..... not. # > New part does not fit, the diameter of the plastic does not match the # > hole and there is no way to press it in due to the angle of the # > connector and the offset tang that the screw goes through, as relate to # > the barrel. Grrr. # > # > Scrape all flashing and ridges with knife. No go. Sand with care for 15 # > minutes, apply lithium grease....better, still no go. Remove, clean, # > sand more, grease again.... almost....... tap and pray with small # > hammer, YES! it is going in to position..... insert screw clip # > connector, re-assemble caliper, torque all bolts, re install wheel, # > torque all bolts...... done. That was 3 hours from start to finish. # > Almost makes me want to either dig a pit in the barn or shell out 1.5K # > for a two post lift.... Maybe next year, sigh! # > # > Next job, take the Benz to the local Indie to get the IP removed, # > rebuilt and re-inserted. Sigh!. The dough just does not accumulate # > faster than it goes out. # > # > And all this after having mowed the lawn (first time for the season), # > swept out the garage (all that sand and salt is a mess) and had the # > Comcast repairman in the attic over bad signal levels, had NO INTERNET # > connection this AM.. Turns out the latter was caused by Comcast # > LOWERING the signal strength to my zone so they had to come in and # > re-wire and put new splitters (one two split with one leg feeding the # > computer and 3 split for the TV's in the house) in place of the original # > that had 1 in and 4 out. It did solve the problem. I imagine everyone # > else in the area is having same problem with cable modems this AM. Would # > think it less expensive to just leave the DB levels alone in the first # > place! # > # > Grrr. # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:37:04 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Saturday upside down Does a 123 body 300D have the same clamps and seals? If so, I may need to do the same job on mine. My wagon isn't starting well and it sounds like air is getting in somehow. Nothing obvious. Marc Z. john wrote: > is this the same thing I did on shadowfax a few years back? > the only problem was the speeding ticket during the performance test of my work. ;) > > is this what you did? > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ > > if not, got pictures? :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > # I replaced the seals on the IP and through being in a rush, messed up the > # positioning of two of the itty bitty barrel shaped thingies at the base of > # the chamber. I did not know it at the time. Since then I have dismantled the > # top end and ever so carefully rotated and replaced the two that are wonky, > # trying small shifts in position. Got close with one, but out of five IP pump > # pistons I have three that work, one partial and one not at all. Black smoke > # galore out the tailpipe and the car runs with diminished power. After so > # many tries and even reading the Bosch manuals and trying again I gave up. > # Taking it to a pro to have him take out the whole pump, ship it to a licensed > # rebuilder and then re-insert it correctly. A special tool is needed for that > # last step and at 500 bucks plus the learning curve, I will pay the guy to do > # it right once. My own damned fault for being rushed. As best I can determine > # there is this miniscule (1/32 inch pin that is maybe about that long, that is > # supposed to guide the barrel into position, I think I damaged 2 of them. We > # shall see. Can't imagine Bosch would build it so that it could not be > # repaired with new bits. I have a junkyard IP of almost identical vintage to > # scavenge the parts from. Hoping this keeps the whole job under $1500 or so. > # Learned my lesson tho'. No more rush jobs on the Benz. Do it by the book or > # not at all. > # > # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > Wow, sounds like fun. Almost as much fun as my weekend! > # > > # > VW has always been a bit tricky to work on, IMHO. They're just a bit too > # > cramped for my tastes. And any time you get plastic involved, trouble is > # > sure > # > to ensue...... > # > > # > What was wrong with the IP? I've have lots of these and never rebuilt one > # > yet, > # > and it's not like I pamper them........ > # > > # > J > # > > # > -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: > # > Well - the sun is shining and the temps climbed from 42 at 6 AM to 60 by > # > 2PM , so I decided to fix the Jetta diesel ABS sensor that has gone > # > wonky. Simple job, right? Remove one screw, disconnect plug, remove > # > old sensor, insert new sensor, reconnect, insert screw and done! Yeah, > # > rignt!>$P<>!-at- > # > > # > Anyone that says German engineering is improving is out to lunch. The > # > old sensor sheared on the backplate when attempted removal and what was > # > left was immobile. To get it out had to remove brake caliper, then > # > upside down on back, with about 14" clearance under car and no space to > # > speak of, pound the plastic from back to push old bit towards disk and > # > hope it comes out. Yeah, right!. Small chips, so keep at it. Break long > # > screwdriver handle, that's ok, the steel part is better to strike > # > anyway....2 hours later, all bits out of the way, almost done..... not. > # > New part does not fit, the diameter of the plastic does not match the > # > hole and there is no way to press it in due to the angle of the > # > connector and the offset tang that the screw goes through, as relate to > # > the barrel. Grrr. > # > > # > Scrape all flashing and ridges with knife. No go. Sand with care for 15 > # > minutes, apply lithium grease....better, still no go. Remove, clean, > # > sand more, grease again.... almost....... tap and pray with small > # > hammer, YES! it is going in to position..... insert screw clip > # > connector, re-assemble caliper, torque all bolts, re install wheel, > # > torque all bolts...... done. That was 3 hours from start to finish. > # > Almost makes me want to either dig a pit in the barn or shell out 1.5K > # > for a two post lift.... Maybe next year, sigh! > # > > # > Next job, take the Benz to the local Indie to get the IP removed, > # > rebuilt and re-inserted. Sigh!. The dough just does not accumulate > # > faster than it goes out. > # > > # > And all this after having mowed the lawn (first time for the season), > # > swept out the garage (all that sand and salt is a mess) and had the > # > Comcast repairman in the attic over bad signal levels, had NO INTERNET > # > connection this AM.. Turns out the latter was caused by Comcast > # > LOWERING the signal strength to my zone so they had to come in and > # > re-wire and put new splitters (one two split with one leg feeding the > # > computer and 3 split for the TV's in the house) in place of the original > # > that had 1 in and 4 out. It did solve the problem. I imagine everyone > # > else in the area is having same problem with cable modems this AM. Would > # > think it less expensive to just leave the DB levels alone in the first > # > place! > # > > # > Grrr. > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Saturday upside down no, the 2.5L TD 124 is a high pressure pump, different system than a 123 or 126. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Marc Z wrote: # Does a 123 body 300D have the same clamps and seals? If so, I may need to do # the same job on mine. # # My wagon isn't starting well and it sounds like air is getting in somehow. # Nothing obvious. # Marc Z. # # john wrote: # > is this the same thing I did on shadowfax a few years back? # > the only problem was the speeding ticket during the performance test of my # > work. ;) # > # > is this what you did? # > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ # > # > if not, got pictures? :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > # I replaced the seals on the IP and through being in a rush, messed up the # > # positioning of two of the itty bitty barrel shaped thingies at the base # > # of # > # the chamber. I did not know it at the time. Since then I have dismantled # > # the # > # top end and ever so carefully rotated and replaced the two that are # > # wonky, # > # trying small shifts in position. Got close with one, but out of five IP # > # pump # > # pistons I have three that work, one partial and one not at all. Black # > # smoke # > # galore out the tailpipe and the car runs with diminished power. After so # > # many tries and even reading the Bosch manuals and trying again I gave up. # > # Taking it to a pro to have him take out the whole pump, ship it to a # > # licensed # > # rebuilder and then re-insert it correctly. A special tool is needed for # > # that # > # last step and at 500 bucks plus the learning curve, I will pay the guy to # > # do # > # it right once. My own damned fault for being rushed. As best I can # > # determine # > # there is this miniscule (1/32 inch pin that is maybe about that long, # > # that is # > # supposed to guide the barrel into position, I think I damaged 2 of them. # > # We # > # shall see. Can't imagine Bosch would build it so that it could not be # > # repaired with new bits. I have a junkyard IP of almost identical # > # vintage to # > # scavenge the parts from. Hoping this keeps the whole job under $1500 or # > # so. # > # Learned my lesson tho'. No more rush jobs on the Benz. Do it by the book # > # or # > # not at all. # > # # > # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > Wow, sounds like fun. Almost as much fun as my weekend! # > # > # > # > VW has always been a bit tricky to work on, IMHO. They're just a bit # > # > too # > # > cramped for my tastes. And any time you get plastic involved, trouble # > # > is # > # > sure # > # > to ensue...... # > # > # > # > What was wrong with the IP? I've have lots of these and never rebuilt # > # > one # > # > yet, # > # > and it's not like I pamper them........ # > # > # > # > J # > # > # > # > -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > Well - the sun is shining and the temps climbed from 42 at 6 AM to 60 # > # > by # > # > 2PM , so I decided to fix the Jetta diesel ABS sensor that has gone # > # > wonky. Simple job, right? Remove one screw, disconnect plug, remove # > # > old sensor, insert new sensor, reconnect, insert screw and done! Yeah, # > # > rignt!>$P<>!-at- # > # > # > # > Anyone that says German engineering is improving is out to lunch. The # > # > old sensor sheared on the backplate when attempted removal and what was # > # > left was immobile. To get it out had to remove brake caliper, then # > # > upside down on back, with about 14" clearance under car and no space to # > # > speak of, pound the plastic from back to push old bit towards disk and # > # > hope it comes out. Yeah, right!. Small chips, so keep at it. Break long # > # > screwdriver handle, that's ok, the steel part is better to strike # > # > anyway....2 hours later, all bits out of the way, almost done..... not. # > # > New part does not fit, the diameter of the plastic does not match the # > # > hole and there is no way to press it in due to the angle of the # > # > connector and the offset tang that the screw goes through, as relate to # > # > the barrel. Grrr. # > # > # > # > Scrape all flashing and ridges with knife. No go. Sand with care for # > # > 15 # > # > minutes, apply lithium grease....better, still no go. Remove, clean, # > # > sand more, grease again.... almost....... tap and pray with small # > # > hammer, YES! it is going in to position..... insert screw clip # > # > connector, re-assemble caliper, torque all bolts, re install wheel, # > # > torque all bolts...... done. That was 3 hours from start to finish. # > # > Almost makes me want to either dig a pit in the barn or shell out 1.5K # > # > for a two post lift.... Maybe next year, sigh! # > # > # > # > Next job, take the Benz to the local Indie to get the IP removed, # > # > rebuilt and re-inserted. Sigh!. The dough just does not accumulate # > # > faster than it goes out. # > # > # > # > And all this after having mowed the lawn (first time for the season), # > # > swept out the garage (all that sand and salt is a mess) and had the # > # > Comcast repairman in the attic over bad signal levels, had NO INTERNET # > # > connection this AM.. Turns out the latter was caused by Comcast # > # > LOWERING the signal strength to my zone so they had to come in and # > # > re-wire and put new splitters (one two split with one leg feeding the # > # > computer and 3 split for the TV's in the house) in place of the # > # > original # > # > that had 1 in and 4 out. It did solve the problem. I imagine everyone # > # > else in the area is having same problem with cable modems this AM. # > # > Would # > # > think it less expensive to just leave the DB levels alone in the first # > # > place! # > # > # > # > Grrr. # > # # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:57:16 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Saturday upside down If it isn't leaking, it's more likely the primer pump. They are positioned such that they usually suck air instead of leak fuel when the seals go, and I've had several weird issues from that. J - -- Marc Z wrote: Does a 123 body 300D have the same clamps and seals? If so, I may need to do the same job on mine. My wagon isn't starting well and it sounds like air is getting in somehow. Nothing obvious. Marc Z. john wrote: > is this the same thing I did on shadowfax a few years back? > the only problem was the speeding ticket during the performance test of my work. ;) > > is this what you did? > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replaceme nt/ > > if not, got pictures? :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > # I replaced the seals on the IP and through being in a rush, messed up the > # positioning of two of the itty bitty barrel shaped thingies at the base of > # the chamber. I did not know it at the time. Since then I have dismantled the > # top end and ever so carefully rotated and replaced the two that are wonky, > # trying small shifts in position. Got close with one, but out of five IP pump > # pistons I have three that work, one partial and one not at all. Black smoke > # galore out the tailpipe and the car runs with diminished power. After so > # many tries and even reading the Bosch manuals and trying again I gave up. > # Taking it to a pro to have him take out the whole pump, ship it to a licensed > # rebuilder and then re-insert it correctly. A special tool is needed for that > # last step and at 500 bucks plus the learning curve, I will pay the guy to do > # it right once. My own damned fault for being rushed. As best I can determine > # there is this miniscule (1/32 inch pin that is maybe about that long, that is > # supposed to guide the barrel into position, I think I damaged 2 of them. We > # shall see. Can't imagine Bosch would build it so that it could not be > # repaired with new bits. I have a junkyard IP of almost identical vintage to > # scavenge the parts from. Hoping this keeps the whole job under $1500 or so. > # Learned my lesson tho'. No more rush jobs on the Benz. Do it by the book or > # not at all. > # > # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > Wow, sounds like fun. Almost as much fun as my weekend! > # > > # > VW has always been a bit tricky to work on, IMHO. They're just a bit too > # > cramped for my tastes. And any time you get plastic involved, trouble is > # > sure > # > to ensue...... > # > > # > What was wrong with the IP? I've have lots of these and never rebuilt one > # > yet, > # > and it's not like I pamper them........ > # > > # > J > # > > # > -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: > # > Well - the sun is shining and the temps climbed from 42 at 6 AM to 60 by > # > 2PM , so I decided to fix the Jetta diesel ABS sensor that has gone > # > wonky. Simple job, right? Remove one screw, disconnect plug, remove > # > old sensor, insert new sensor, reconnect, insert screw and done! Yeah, > # > rignt!>$P<>!-at- > # > > # > Anyone that says German engineering is improving is out to lunch. The > # > old sensor sheared on the backplate when attempted removal and what was > # > left was immobile. To get it out had to remove brake caliper, then > # > upside down on back, with about 14" clearance under car and no space to > # > speak of, pound the plastic from back to push old bit towards disk and > # > hope it comes out. Yeah, right!. Small chips, so keep at it. Break long > # > screwdriver handle, that's ok, the steel part is better to strike > # > anyway....2 hours later, all bits out of the way, almost done..... not. > # > New part does not fit, the diameter of the plastic does not match the > # > hole and there is no way to press it in due to the angle of the > # > connector and the offset tang that the screw goes through, as relate to > # > the barrel. Grrr. > # > > # > Scrape all flashing and ridges with knife. No go. Sand with care for 15 > # > minutes, apply lithium grease....better, still no go. Remove, clean, > # > sand more, grease again.... almost....... tap and pray with small > # > hammer, YES! it is going in to position..... insert screw clip > # > connector, re-assemble caliper, torque all bolts, re install wheel, > # > torque all bolts...... done. That was 3 hours from start to finish. > # > Almost makes me want to either dig a pit in the barn or shell out 1.5K > # > for a two post lift.... Maybe next year, sigh! > # > > # > Next job, take the Benz to the local Indie to get the IP removed, > # > rebuilt and re-inserted. Sigh!. The dough just does not accumulate > # > faster than it goes out. > # > > # > And all this after having mowed the lawn (first time for the season), > # > swept out the garage (all that sand and salt is a mess) and had the > # > Comcast repairman in the attic over bad signal levels, had NO INTERNET > # > connection this AM.. Turns out the latter was caused by Comcast > # > LOWERING the signal strength to my zone so they had to come in and > # > re-wire and put new splitters (one two split with one leg feeding the > # > computer and 3 split for the TV's in the house) in place of the original > # > that had 1 in and 4 out. It did solve the problem. I imagine everyone > # > else in the area is having same problem with cable modems this AM. Would > # > think it less expensive to just leave the DB levels alone in the first > # > place! > # > > # > Grrr. > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2738 **********************************