From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 6 16:02:29 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, May 6 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2746 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] New 124 Wagon Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... [db] Where to get bits Re: [db] Where to get bits Re: [db] Where to get bits [db] r12 replacement? Re: [db] r12 replacement? Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:53:49 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] New 124 Wagon He got an 87 300TD, so it's a head cracking (hope not) 3.0 liter OM603. Mike, cross your fingers it's not the power steering pump. The 87 300TD uses a unique power steering setup, in that the pump also operates the SLS rear setup. They are NOT CHEAP, and you'd probably have better luck finding gucci badges for a hornet wagon in a junkyard than one of those pumps. The 87 300D, and the 86/87 300SDL, as well as the 90/91 350SDL used a standard power steering pump, as they had conventional rear suspensions. On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:58:39AM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > What year model was that? > That engine family really is nice. I just parted with my 89 300CE and > its M103 engine. Especially fun above 4,000RPM, but lovely and refined > at all speeds. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 08 smart fortwo, 2.5K > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Andreas Kreft wrote: > > On Dingsdag 06 Mai 2008, Mike Frank hat schrieven: > > > > > > > I picked up the wagon on Saturday. It's not love, but it's not > > > bad.The car has just been repainted, so the body looks great. > > > Interior is in excellent shape, with a few nits. Engine is > > > smoooooooth as glass, as is the transmission. I am totally impressed > > > with the mild manners of this car. Absolutely the smoothest running > > > six I've ever driven, gas or diesel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:38:18 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... Well, I guess either nobody cares about my problems or nobody knows the answers. Hmmmmm... J - -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: I don't think it's a ground issue. I had a bad alternator coil, have fixed that, but still not sure what's with the ACC and wiper controller and aux fan. The only thing that is "intermittent" is the aux fan controller. The others just plain don't work. So is there a fan motor controller, or does the amplifier do that (ACC) That is the one thing I'm really urgent to fix, because it's a big sore thumb that the ACC is not working right. Everything else I think I will leave for the next person to figure out because I just don't care anymore. It's getting to the point of "close enough"--the thing IS 31 years old. No reasonable person is going to expect it to be "just right"......not for what I'm going to be selling it for. J - -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: But while you all were venting your spleens at each other about how wonderful metric is, (or something like that 8^) I've been thinking about some more important (to me) things. Such as: My ACC is still not right. I need to know what actually controls the blower motor, because I've tried 2 different amplifiers and neither one gives me fan control. Without one, it gives me full blast in defrost but with no heat (which proves that the A/C is now working very nicely!) and with it I had heat (before I took it out) but again, only in defrost. So have I just had 2 dud amplifiers (the one looked decidedly bad, popped resistors, burned board, the whole bit, but the other looked OK, although it was definitely a different design) or is there another piece I should be looking at? My wipers won't delay. When it's set to delay, it just runs low. Occasionally I'll set it to something else and come back to delay, and it'll delay for a second, and then run low. It also doesn't park. Why? Is that a position sensor that isn't showing it when it hits bottom, or something else? If it's the controller, WHERE is it? Also, the mechanism that controls the aux fan is goofy. Sometimes it runs constantly, sometimes not at all, even w/ the A/C on. I think it worked OK when I first got the car, but the damaged one that was in there must have fried the controller (it was a deer hit job, and the existing fan was dragging badly from the damage.) So where is that? If you know the answers to these persistent questions, I'll be well on my way to solving some persistent and irritating issues that I want to fix before I sell this car. Oh, Edward, I'm moving back to N.MI. Maybe I'll stop and see you on one of the trips up there. But to the rest of the list, that means I really have better things to do than fool with this car, so I'd like to get it done soon. Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... you won't listen to me either. ;) bad grounds... :) I think you need to go west... get away from all that rusty stuff and enjoy the mold... or dust... ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Well, I guess either nobody cares about my problems or nobody knows the # answers. Hmmmmm... # # J # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # I don't think it's a ground issue. I had a bad alternator coil, have fixed # that, but still not sure what's with the ACC and wiper controller and aux # fan. # The only thing that is "intermittent" is the aux fan controller. The others # just plain don't work. # # So is there a fan motor controller, or does the amplifier do that (ACC) # # That is the one thing I'm really urgent to fix, because it's a big sore thumb # that the ACC is not working right. Everything else I think I will leave for # the next person to figure out because I just don't care anymore. It's getting # to the point of "close enough"--the thing IS 31 years old. No reasonable # person is going to expect it to be "just right"......not for what I'm going # to # be selling it for. # # J # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # But while you all were venting your spleens at each other about how wonderful # metric is, (or something like that 8^) I've been thinking about some more # important (to me) things. Such as: # # My ACC is still not right. I need to know what actually controls the blower # motor, because I've tried 2 different amplifiers and neither one gives me fan # control. Without one, it gives me full blast in defrost but with no heat # (which proves that the A/C is now working very nicely!) and with it I had # heat # (before I took it out) but again, only in defrost. So have I just had 2 dud # amplifiers (the one looked decidedly bad, popped resistors, burned board, the # whole bit, but the other looked OK, although it was definitely a different # design) or is there another piece I should be looking at? # # My wipers won't delay. When it's set to delay, it just runs low. Occasionally # I'll set it to something else and come back to delay, and it'll delay for a # second, and then run low. It also doesn't park. Why? Is that a position # sensor # that isn't showing it when it hits bottom, or something else? If it's the # controller, WHERE is it? # # Also, the mechanism that controls the aux fan is goofy. Sometimes it runs # constantly, sometimes not at all, even w/ the A/C on. I think it worked OK # when I first got the car, but the damaged one that was in there must have # fried the controller (it was a deer hit job, and the existing fan was # dragging # badly from the damage.) So where is that? # # If you know the answers to these persistent questions, I'll be well on my way # to solving some persistent and irritating issues that I want to fix before I # sell this car. Oh, Edward, I'm moving back to N.MI. Maybe I'll stop and see # you on one of the trips up there. But to the rest of the list, that means I # really have better things to do than fool with this car, so I'd like to get # it # done soon. Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:57:28 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... At this point, I don't even remember what car this was on, so i don't know what version of climate control. Also, I really don't know the climate control system well enough to trace down a fault like this, but I feel like somebody's gotta throw him a bone here. On a fairly early W124, I think fan speed is controlled partially from the Push Button Unit in the dash, which sends a signal to a voltage regulator or amplifier of some sort (AKA the porcupine due to the appearance of the heat sink spikes on one side) that is positioned very close to the blower motor itself. Other than those two pieces, the blower motor itself, and standard power and ground, I don't know of any other players in getting the blower to blow. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 2.5K On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM, john wrote: > you won't listen to me either. ;) bad grounds... :) > > I think you need to go west... get away from all that rusty stuff > and enjoy the mold... or dust... ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 6 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # Well, I guess either nobody cares about my problems or nobody knows the > # answers. Hmmmmm... > # > # J > # > # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: > # I don't think it's a ground issue. I had a bad alternator coil, have fixed > # that, but still not sure what's with the ACC and wiper controller and aux > # fan. > # The only thing that is "intermittent" is the aux fan controller. The others > # just plain don't work. > # > # So is there a fan motor controller, or does the amplifier do that (ACC) > # > # That is the one thing I'm really urgent to fix, because it's a big sore thumb > # that the ACC is not working right. Everything else I think I will leave for > # the next person to figure out because I just don't care anymore. It's getting > # to the point of "close enough"--the thing IS 31 years old. No reasonable > # person is going to expect it to be "just right"......not for what I'm going > # to > # be selling it for. > # > # J > # > # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: > # But while you all were venting your spleens at each other about how wonderful > # metric is, (or something like that 8^) I've been thinking about some more > # important (to me) things. Such as: > # > # My ACC is still not right. I need to know what actually controls the blower > # motor, because I've tried 2 different amplifiers and neither one gives me fan > # control. Without one, it gives me full blast in defrost but with no heat > # (which proves that the A/C is now working very nicely!) and with it I had > # heat > # (before I took it out) but again, only in defrost. So have I just had 2 dud > # amplifiers (the one looked decidedly bad, popped resistors, burned board, the > # whole bit, but the other looked OK, although it was definitely a different > # design) or is there another piece I should be looking at? > # > # My wipers won't delay. When it's set to delay, it just runs low. Occasionally > # I'll set it to something else and come back to delay, and it'll delay for a > # second, and then run low. It also doesn't park. Why? Is that a position > # sensor > # that isn't showing it when it hits bottom, or something else? If it's the > # controller, WHERE is it? > # > # Also, the mechanism that controls the aux fan is goofy. Sometimes it runs > # constantly, sometimes not at all, even w/ the A/C on. I think it worked OK > # when I first got the car, but the damaged one that was in there must have > # fried the controller (it was a deer hit job, and the existing fan was > # dragging > # badly from the damage.) So where is that? > # > # If you know the answers to these persistent questions, I'll be well on my way > # to solving some persistent and irritating issues that I want to fix before I > # sell this car. Oh, Edward, I'm moving back to N.MI. Maybe I'll stop and see > # you on one of the trips up there. But to the rest of the list, that means I > # really have better things to do than fool with this car, so I'd like to get > # it > # done soon. Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. > # > # J > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:45:46 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: [db] Where to get bits for a 1978 European W123, at a reasonable price ? I will need a valve that lives (somewhere (*) ) in the vacuum system, which MB-Paraguay has been out of for the last six month, and I'm thinking of taking the plunge and ordering from the US. Any advice ? Cheers, Ron. * I'll have more info tomorrow. - -- Toutes choses sont dites dC)jC , mais comme personne n'C)coute, il faut toujours recommencer. -- A. Gide -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:58:45 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Where to get bits With the dollar apparently a worthless piece of paper, ordering from the US could either be a good idea if it's already in stock here, or a really bad idea if it has to come from the motherland first to here, then down there. W123 vacuum that early would either be door locks (which we had here) and climate control (which for 78 we had chrysler nonsense, and you had something that actually worked). The trans was all hard linkage still in 78. Depending on what it is, and since people from outside the states tend to have a command on more than one language (where here we struggle with just one), you might have some success on ebay.de. On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 05:45:46PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > for a 1978 European W123, at a reasonable price ? > > I will need a valve that lives (somewhere (*) ) in the vacuum system, which > MB-Paraguay has been out of for the last six month, and I'm thinking of > taking the plunge and ordering from the US. > > Any advice ? > > Cheers, > > Ron. > > * I'll have more info tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:05:01 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Where to get bits Furthermore, if it turns out to be a part that would be on a stateside 78 W123, I have one that is probably going to get turned into a few camries in the next couple of months. If the part is any good on the W123 I have. I'm not planning on keeping much of anything from it, and really don't have the time to part it out when the state will pay $600 ish for a totalled 300D that is pretty much tired... On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0700, Kevin wrote: > With the dollar apparently a worthless piece of paper, ordering from the US > could either be a good idea if it's already in stock here, or a really bad > idea if it has to come from the motherland first to here, then down there. > W123 vacuum that early would either be door locks (which we had here) and > climate control (which for 78 we had chrysler nonsense, and you had something > that actually worked). The trans was all hard linkage still in 78. > > Depending on what it is, and since people from outside the states tend to > have a command on more than one language (where here we struggle with just > one), you might have some success on ebay.de. > > On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 05:45:46PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > for a 1978 European W123, at a reasonable price ? > > > > I will need a valve that lives (somewhere (*) ) in the vacuum system, which > > MB-Paraguay has been out of for the last six month, and I'm thinking of > > taking the plunge and ordering from the US. > > > > Any advice ? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron. > > > > * I'll have more info tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] r12 replacement? stumbled upon this... R12 replacement? 12 Cans Freeze-12 Refrigerant R12 Replacement 1 Case Item number: 310048311970 $68.45 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-Cans-Freeze-12-Refrigerant-R12-Replacement-1-Case_W0QQitemZ310048311970QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310048311970& ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:44:05 -0400 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] r12 replacement? john wrote: > stumbled upon this... > > R12 replacement? > > 12 Cans Freeze-12 Refrigerant R12 Replacement 1 Case Item number: 310048311970 $68.45 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-Cans-Freeze-12-Refrigerant-R12-Replacement-1-Case_W0QQitemZ310048311970QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310048311970& > > pretty much. i have freeze-12 in my 89 alfa and it works "just like R-12". to do it legally, you have to substitute the new R134a nozzles for the old R-12 nozzles (even though it's a drop in R-12 replacement, oh those wacky government rules.) the replacement nozzles are cheaply available at your local Autozone or other chain parts store, if memory serves, and just thread on over the originals. richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:52:36 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Not to change the subject.... Hey - that's cool. I spent about 6 moths working up in Houghton and the copper harbor area in a past lifetime. Anyone driving past the SW corner of Michigan is welcome to stop in for visit. I am in the phone book and not far from exit 27 off I 94. Let us know where in the UP in general terms, we get up there on occasion, but with the price of fuel this year I don't think we are going to do as much long distance driving as we used to. For those of you who don't understand Michigan and the great lakes. To go from St. Joseph to Houghton staying in Michigan takes 14 hours. If you go around the end of the lake through Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin then up through Iron Mountain and points north, it takes about 11 hours. >From my door to Saulte St. Marie is 7-1/2 hours. Make sure to get the latest Yoopers albums....they make great road music. Edward jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Her family is up there, we both like it better up there, and no, it's not > quite "da UP, eh?" Not far from it, though........ > > J > > -- Jim Hoffman wrote: > Yo Jason! > > Why the move? Where is "N. MI.?? The "UP"?? > "Going > up to da UP dare, eh?" > > ;) > > Jim > > >> sell this car. Oh, Edward, I'm moving back to N.MI. >> Maybe I'll stop and see >> you on one of the trips up there. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2746 **********************************