From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 11 22:52:33 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, May 12 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2752 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? RE: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > Hate Vista? That does not even begin to express my feelings for this > programming abortion. *** It really looks like we have another Windows ME on our hands. I will probably avoid Vista until it's obsolete. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Well, it runs SOOO nice for those few seconds that it doesn't sound like an electrical problem. And whilst Googling I found lots of references to fuel pressure (yes, it is fuel injected). But how does one check the fuel pressure? Another expensive tool I presume?! ;) Jim - --- Edward Pomeroy wrote: > If one arcing wire was killing the engine completely > it sure sounds like > there are additional electrical problems. Check the > coils to see if any > are shorting out, also check fuel pressure going to > the injectors, > something could be blocking the flow or causing the > pressure to drop > after a few RPM (overheating or worn fuel pump?). I > assume the thing has > some form of injection. If you gave me that symptom > on a carburetted > engine I would immediately check for a pinhole in > the float. > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > Yesterday my daughter helped me install my new > lift > > pump on the 5.9l Cummins. Got it all bolted down > > before I had to take her to a friends house. Then > > when my son got home he helped me hook up the fuel > > lines and fire her up! I'm back in the diesel > world > > again! I love that truck. Then I started working > > on a '97 GMC Sonoma that my son-in-law gave me for > > my son. It was dead. Codes said it needed an EGR > > valve. Spent $159 on a new one of those but still > > no joy. Then while my son was cranking and had my > > head under the hood I noticed a nice arch between > > the coil wire and a hose fitting! Pulled the > wire, > > wrapped it with electrical tape temporarily and > > she started! But she only runs for about 10 > seconds > > and then dies. Starts right back up and then does > > the same thing. If I keep the RPMs up and > "feather" > > the throttle hard I can keep it running but not > for > > real long. Then it starts right back up again. > > Too many sensors for me to figure out without some > > type of diagnostic system. I hate computerized > > engines! I just HATE them! :( > > Maybe I'll fix the fuel line leak on my F-350 and > > get that running first. Problem is, the Sonoma > > should get pretty good fuel mileage if I can get > it > > running. Two kids home for the summer plus my > wife > > and I... Most cars I've needed to have running at > > one time in my life!! ;) > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend!! Mine was > pretty > > productive ;) > > > > Jim > > > > --- Jon Filina wrote: > > > > > >> Y'all, > >> > >> I'm just getting back online after having to > rework > >> my hard drive. > >> Don't ask....a Linux install program didn't work > as > >> planned, a little > >> idiocy on my part and WinXP kicking me when I was > >> down..... > >> > >> It's been quiet this last few days... > >> > >> Anyone home? > >> > >> Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 21:34:34 -0400 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Slackware is still my favorite distro! I would go back to it except for one thing: I'm getting lazy in my old age and really appreciate a system install resulting in completely useable system. Mandriva fills that bill. Like you, I've been messing with these "microcomputers" since '82 when I bought a used Sinclair ZX-81. Since then, Kaypro II and 2, Epson QX-10 and then onto the IBM clones. I've been following Linux since around '92 when I was on Compuserve reading the alternative operating system forum. Back then, some guy by the name of Linus Torvalds was trading messages dealing with his "minix" clone he'd written... I should be a whole lot smarter about Linux, but I'm not. I spend too much time enjoying it and not enough learning how to program in C or Python... DOS, with 4DOS, is still my favorite, with OS/2 a close second. Linux is too much OS for my needs, but the price is right if you have broadband access. Take a look at Mandriva One. The learning curve is minimal. Feel free to email me if you have any questions. I can't lock up your system as easy as Vista, but I can try..... ;-) Take care, Jon Edward wrote: > Well, that explains a lot. I got SWMBO a new Dell with vista, spent > over 2 days fighting with it to make the resident vista transfer > program move all the important stuff from the old XP machine to the > new. What a battle, took a total of 6 attempts, 5 of them crashing > after hours of "file transfer" activity. At each step went shutting > off every item Vista puked on, until it finally allowed the transfer > of files and settings. Word to the wise, shut off EVERY TSR program, > antivirus, spyware checker, even the weather bug, Vista tansfer > program chokes on all of them. > > Now I want to move the actual exe programs over but the resident file > transfer doo-dad won't do that, nosiree, no way Jose. It looks like I > have to manually re-install every blessed program she likes to use. I > used Aloha Bob last time to move from Win 85 to XP and was able to > migrate darn near every program and got it working in short order. > Hate Vista? That does not even begin to express my feelings for this > programming abortion. It may finally push me to get Linux onto some > of the systems, but the learning curve is a tough one for someone that > has been with HDOS since the Heathkit H8 and everything DOS derived > since then to present by Microshaft. Had earliest machine running CPM > before IBM forced us into the MS DOS system. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:03:43 -0400 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Jerome Kaidor wrote: > *** And I started playing with Linux in 1992. My Linux Counter number > is 931. I think the kernel version was 0.95... > As I mentioned to Edward, I've been following Linux since around '92. Back then, Compuserve charged by the minute. Downloading Linux disk images cost me about $150 a month... > Right now, I'm using a Slackware 10 system. I do have a new PC with > Slackware 12 on it, bigger case, more memory, faster cpu etc etc, but am > nowhere near ready to cut over to that system. There's just too much > stuff to get working. Might wind up just copying the drive from the old > PC to the new one... > I looked at Slack 12 last fall and decided I didn't have the patience to cobble together a complete system. Mandriva was almost plug 'n play. I learned Linux by way of Slackware and now I just want to use and enjoy it! >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? >> > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I installed > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend driver seems > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and it broke > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others also. > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more stuff, it > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. > You're doing better than me. I'm only minimally network aware and haven't had a need for fax capabilities under Linux. Have fun! > I'm getting a headache. Think I'll go fart around in the garage a bit. > While you're at it, please clean mine.... ;-) Take care, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:26:17 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Is anyone home? If the computers will allow it, you may be able to just check pumped fuel volume. Open a line, point it into a container, engage the fuel pump (maybe with a jumper wire?), and see how much fuel it pumps out in a given time. You should be able to find target volumes somewhere on the internets. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:40 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? > > > Well, it runs SOOO nice for those few seconds that > it doesn't sound like an electrical problem. And > whilst Googling I found lots of references to fuel > pressure (yes, it is fuel injected). But how does > one check the fuel pressure? Another expensive tool > I presume?! ;) > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Jon Filina wrote: > > Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > *** And I started playing with Linux in 1992. My Linux Counter number > > is 931. I think the kernel version was 0.95... > > > > As I mentioned to Edward, I've been following Linux since around '92. > Back then, Compuserve charged by the minute. Downloading Linux disk > images cost me about $150 a month... *** I was lucky, at the time I was working for a networking company. We had a fat pipe to the Internet. I'd bring boxes of empty floppies to work, and take them home full. I started with something called the "MCC Interim Distribution", which was a set of IIRC 10 floppies forming a minimal useful system. I still remember trying to install the "man" command.. Which required "groff", which required something else I don't remember. Then the SLS ( Softlanding Systems ) distribution came out. It was the first "big" linux distro. I actually wrote a package that was distributed as a standard part of SLS for a while. It was called "fontpak" and it adapted the kernel console driver to display downloaded fonts. Anyway, installing SLS was like flying over country previously slogged over on foot. "Man"? 5 seconds. "Groff"? 5 more seconds :). SLS went away and Slackware took its place. I know there are slicker distros out there. But I'm comfortable with it, I know where things are, and what I have to change to install stuff. I really dislike Red Hat and its ilk. Too much obfustication. > >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? > >> > > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I installed > > > You're doing better than me. I'm only minimally network aware and > haven't had a need for fax capabilities under Linux. Have fun! *** I'm writing some software for my business. Part of its capabilities is automated generation of documents. Would be nice if it could automatically fax them as well, since it's creating them. I do have a faxmodem hooked up to the server, but it can't share the same phone line as the MFC. Tried that. Linux server tries to dial out, MFC answers the phone, Grrr! Would be so slick if the linux box could just use the MFC fax over the net. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? I have been running SuSE for years, no problems with the printer either... Ubuntu is also a nice distro for newcomers, based on the Debian distro... it's up and coming and a very viable desktop replacement for windows... just got back from seattle... went down for a free "water" filter setup. ;) took the benz... it's so much more refined than my '91 Grand Wagoneer... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # I switched to Linux about 10 years ago because I got tired of fighting with # Winders... # # CUPS? What printer are you installing? I just finished installing Mandriva # 2008.1 (Spring). Last night, when I turned on my HP C4280, the system (using # CUPS) jumped to action and installed the printer and scanner without any # interaction from me. I was impressed! The last version of Mandriva couldn't # install this printer, but I downloaded the needed files from an alternative # HP site and the setup was simple. This time, it was a no brainer. I haven't # tried the scanner yet, though... # # Mandriva has come a long way from the Mandrake days. Mandrake was pretty # slick, but making changes to the system was frustrating. Not so, so far, # with Mandriva. # # I should be fixing the steering column lock on the SD, but that's not going # to happen soon. The '95 needs a bath...maybe tomorrow. # # Take care, # # Jon # # # Jerry wrote: # > > It's been quiet this last few days... # > > # > > Anyone home? # > > # > # > *** Well, I've been here. Fighting all day with a Linux printing system # > called # > CUPS and a recalcitrant PC-fax. Got the printer working, amazingly enough, # > but the # > fax is reluctant. Oh, yes, it's RELUCTANT! Nobody playing with cars, # > we're all too # > busy fighting with our computers :). # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? the ONLY problem with SuSE is the infrared remote control for the TV card didn't work... SuSE linux figured out the tv card and all worked... except the little remote thing... that killed the deal. :( vista is horrid... absolutely horrid... the only reason I haven't eradicated it from the hard drive is that this system may not have the drivers for XP... I think the drive is fried that I'm trying to use... her computer wiped out the original drive, I cloned it and put it in the old box and may have fried that one too... tired of messing with computers... time to start the work weekover again... and guess what... I work with computers. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # I have heard nothing but horror stories about Vista. I barely tolerate XP... # # Have you tried sneaking Suse past your wife? If she's not tied to MS # programs, Suse and Mandriva would be good alternatives. I haven't had a lot # of good luck with Suse, but Mandrake, and now Mandriva, have been pretty good # distros. # # My Gateway has 512m's of ram and it flies with any Linux distro I've had on # it. XP isn't bad, but I prefer Linux. I have to reboot the scanner, running # on XP or 2000, we use at the office once a week because the memory gets so # fragmented that it slows the system to a crawl. # And, on my E300D, I'm fighting windows, too....maybe. I lowered the # driver's window a few weeks ago and almost never got it back up. It's the # switch. I need to remove it and clean it up. That's a future project... # # Take care, # # Jon # # John wrote: # > yeah... my wife's pc croaked... went to fry's picked up # > a compaq demo for $250... it came with vista... so I moved # > a 300G drive in, tried to clone the drive from the deceased # > system but it fails to work... momentarily wrestling with # > vista, going to drop XP on the 300G and just use the bios # > to dual boot it... absolutely LOATHE vista... what an abomination. # > Trying to change a few things and it's fighting me every step # > of the way... what did they do to windows explorer???? what # > a freakin' mess... this pc should fly, it's slower than the # > old P4 with 512M... I've got 1.5G of memory in this thing... # > vista makes it a complete dog... # > # > thankfully my 300D is working perfectly... drove it to frys. # > my Diesel Grand Wagoneer is doing ok, lots of little things # > to fix... instead I'm fighting windows... and getting # > ready to go out to mother's day dinner with our daughter. :) # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? windows ME was better. at least it wasn't a resource hog. y'all remember my masters degree project? suse linux on an r50p, 16W, XP on the same r50p, 19W, vista... 36W john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > Hate Vista? That does not even begin to express my feelings for this # > programming abortion. # # *** It really looks like we have another Windows ME on our hands. I # will probably avoid Vista until it's obsolete. # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? slackware 1.0 was my first linux experience as well... '93 or so... maybe earlier... my first computer was an osborne executive... well, maybe that wasn't my first... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # Slackware is still my favorite distro! I would go back to it except for one # thing: I'm getting lazy in my old age and really appreciate a system install # resulting in completely useable system. Mandriva fills that bill. # # Like you, I've been messing with these "microcomputers" since '82 when I # bought a used Sinclair ZX-81. Since then, Kaypro II and 2, Epson QX-10 and # then onto the IBM clones. I've been following Linux since around '92 when I # was on Compuserve reading the alternative operating system forum. Back then, # some guy by the name of Linus Torvalds was trading messages dealing with his # "minix" clone he'd written... I should be a whole lot smarter about Linux, # but I'm not. I spend too much time enjoying it and not enough learning how # to program in C or Python... # # DOS, with 4DOS, is still my favorite, with OS/2 a close second. Linux is too # much OS for my needs, but the price is right if you have broadband access. # # Take a look at Mandriva One. The learning curve is minimal. Feel free to # email me if you have any questions. I can't lock up your system as easy as # Vista, but I can try..... ;-) # # Take care, # # Jon # # # Edward wrote: # > Well, that explains a lot. I got SWMBO a new Dell with vista, spent over 2 # > days fighting with it to make the resident vista transfer program move all # > the important stuff from the old XP machine to the new. What a battle, took # > a total of 6 attempts, 5 of them crashing after hours of "file transfer" # > activity. At each step went shutting off every item Vista puked on, until # > it finally allowed the transfer of files and settings. Word to the wise, # > shut off EVERY TSR program, antivirus, spyware checker, even the weather # > bug, Vista tansfer program chokes on all of them. # > # > Now I want to move the actual exe programs over but the resident file # > transfer doo-dad won't do that, nosiree, no way Jose. It looks like I have # > to manually re-install every blessed program she likes to use. I used # > Aloha Bob last time to move from Win 85 to XP and was able to migrate darn # > near every program and got it working in short order. # > Hate Vista? That does not even begin to express my feelings for this # > programming abortion. It may finally push me to get Linux onto some of the # > systems, but the learning curve is a tough one for someone that has been # > with HDOS since the Heathkit H8 and everything DOS derived since then to # > present by Microshaft. Had earliest machine running CPM before IBM forced # > us into the MS DOS system. # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2752 **********************************