From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 13 22:38:16 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, May 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2755 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] smart cars and project progress [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] Is anyone home? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? > Jon Filina wrote: >> >> >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I > installed > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend > driver seems > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and > it broke > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others > also. > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more > stuff, it > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. *** Got it working. N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? > Jon Filina wrote: >> >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I > installed > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend > driver seems > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and > it broke > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others > also. > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more > stuff, it > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. > *** Got it working! Now I can type lpr -P brotherpcfax -o ####### file.ps, and a moment later - out on the network - the multifunction machine beeps, comes to life, and starts dialing. Way cool. Only thing is, I don't store anything as a .ps ( postscript ) file. No problem - say "pdf2ps infile outfile" to make it :). - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:41:27 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? > > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I > > installed > > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend > > driver seems > > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and > > it broke > > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others > > also. > > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more > > stuff, it > > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. > > *** Got it working! Now I can type lpr -P brotherpcfax -o ####### file.ps, > and a moment later - out on the network - the multifunction machine beeps, > comes to life, and starts dialing. Way cool. > > Only thing is, I don't store anything as a .ps ( postscript ) file. > No problem - say "pdf2ps infile outfile" to make it :). Why mess with the file when you can do it all in a pipe? :) Then again, this comes from someone who had to bump up the default command line length on an AIX machine cause his command line got too long. Now that we're done with that, don't we have some cars to fix? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? got XP working on the vista only compaq from frys too... what a workout... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 May 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > Jon Filina wrote: # >> # >> # >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? # > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I # > installed # > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend # > driver seems # > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and # > it broke # > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others # > also. # > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more # > stuff, it # > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. # # *** Got it working. N # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Kevin wrote: > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? > > > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I > > > installed > > > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend > > > driver seems > > > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and > > > it broke > > > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others > > > also. > > > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more > > > stuff, it > > > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. > > > > *** Got it working! Now I can type lpr -P brotherpcfax -o ####### file.ps, > > and a moment later - out on the network - the multifunction machine beeps, > > comes to life, and starts dialing. Way cool. > > > > Only thing is, I don't store anything as a .ps ( postscript ) file. > > No problem - say "pdf2ps infile outfile" to make it :). > > Why mess with the file when you can do it all in a pipe? :) *** That's just a way to fool the computer into making the file for you. Stuff's got to be somewhere. Ether in RAM or on disk, those are the two choices. I might wind up doing that, but it's not important either way, because I won't be sending these faxes by hand. My CGI scripts will be sending'em. > > Then again, this comes from someone who had to bump up the default command > line length on an AIX machine cause his command line got too long. > > Now that we're done with that, don't we have some cars to fix? > *** Yeah well, I have to work on my wife's Jaguar XJ6. Hard to get enthusiastic about that.... Need to replace a muffler because the one in there fell apart inside when I TIG welded it. Now when you drive, it goes clatter-clatter - -clatter in there. And the fuel gauge misreads on the r/h tank. And .... Damn it there's some crappy engineering in that car! All the interior appointments are just cheap & flimsy. Things like switches and stalks either don't work, or they just fall apart. The A/C blowers don't work.... The windshield wipers don't cancel... Getting a headache just thinking about it. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:22:18 -0400 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] smart cars and project progress chuck goolsbee wrote: >> # John! Talk me out of it!!!! > > > > That is like asking Keith Richards for advice on healthy living. =p in Richards' defense, whatever he's doing is clearly working for him -- he's not dead yet. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:06:58 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] How you know you're old I decided that since my new old car only had a cassette radio, I needed something more up to date so that I could listen to my books on tape (which are no longer on tape). So I set out to buy a car radio. I don't understand: 1) Why I need a remote control for a car radio 2) Why I need a fold out LCD screen on a car radio 3) What all the abbreviations stand for: CD/MP3/WMA/HDR/USB/SD/MMC/XM/Din1/TEL/NAVI/AUX 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). 5) Where do all these damn wires go? 6) Why do the video screens flash endless advertisements when you turn the radio off? 7) Why I can't have a tone control knob. I find it more reassuring than having to scroll through menus. A nice, old fashioned tone control instead of a graphic equalizer with fifty controls. 8) Why I the selector buttons are the size of ittybitty pixie fingertips? 9) Why I need to waste money on high fidelity for a noisy car? 10) Where am I supposed to find room for a subwoofer and a center speaker? 11) Knobs. Did I mention that I like knobs? How about a volume control knob? I either need to borrow a kid to help with this project, or find a wife who can operate one of these contraptions while I drive. I may stick with cassettes. Sorry, having an Andy Rooney moment. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old I tested one unit at car toys that had a "knob"... boy was I wrong, it was a joy stick... I finally bought an Insignia for $60 on ebay (sells for 120 at best buy), it has a knob... for volume... plays mp3s and has an input jack for aux stuff... like a cassette. ;) taking the "new" computer back to frys now and getting the mac mini... vista is horrid (and broken) and xp won't load on this compaq... linux wouldn't even load, suspect h/w issues... but we'll never know... I'm going with a mac for my wife's pc. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 May 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # I decided that since my new old car only had a cassette radio, I needed # something more up to date so that I could listen to my books on tape (which # are no longer on tape). So I set out to buy a car radio. I don't understand: # # 1) Why I need a remote control for a car radio # 2) Why I need a fold out LCD screen on a car radio # 3) What all the abbreviations stand for: # CD/MP3/WMA/HDR/USB/SD/MMC/XM/Din1/TEL/NAVI/AUX # 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come with a # little storage box (is this called a head case?). # 5) Where do all these damn wires go? # 6) Why do the video screens flash endless advertisements when you turn the # radio off? # 7) Why I can't have a tone control knob. I find it more reassuring than # having to scroll through menus. A nice, old fashioned tone control instead of # a graphic equalizer with fifty controls. # 8) Why I the selector buttons are the size of ittybitty pixie fingertips? # 9) Why I need to waste money on high fidelity for a noisy car? # 10) Where am I supposed to find room for a subwoofer and a center speaker? # 11) Knobs. Did I mention that I like knobs? How about a volume control knob? # # # I either need to borrow a kid to help with this project, or find a wife who # can operate one of these contraptions while I drive. I may stick with # cassettes. # # Sorry, having an Andy Rooney moment. # # Mike Frank # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:05:47 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old I generally just leave the stock radio in the vehicle. If the stock radio only has one speaker, all the better. Old country really doesn't sound right with two speakers ;) Seriously, though, in the event I've had to replace radios (which is pretty rare), I've just put some pioneer CD player, pretty much the cheapest I could find. If I was you, I'd probably get one that was capable of playing MP3s, since a lot of books on tape are delivered in that format now. My brother put in something similar to: http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=300&i=105KDG340&c=3&tp=5684 in his W123 since it had a wiped out old audiovox in it when he got the car. Can't remember if it was Jerry or Derick, but someone pointed out an IC-706 was the exact right size to replace the stereo in his car. It can receive FM and AM broadcasts (amongst other things), but won't help you with books on tape. Not to mention, the functional equivalent of the pioneer in the jetta would run you about a hundred bucks and I don't think you can buy a BROKEN IC-706 for that. New cassette players are available, but the new cassette decks aren't any less complicated from what I've noticed. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:06:58PM -0400, Mike Frank wrote: > I decided that since my new old car only had a cassette radio, I > needed something more up to date so that I could listen to my books > on tape (which are no longer on tape). So I set out to buy a car > radio. I don't understand: > > 1) Why I need a remote control for a car radio > 2) Why I need a fold out LCD screen on a car radio > 3) What all the abbreviations stand for: > CD/MP3/WMA/HDR/USB/SD/MMC/XM/Din1/TEL/NAVI/AUX > 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come > with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). > 5) Where do all these damn wires go? > 6) Why do the video screens flash endless advertisements when you > turn the radio off? > 7) Why I can't have a tone control knob. I find it more reassuring > than having to scroll through menus. A nice, old fashioned tone > control instead of a graphic equalizer with fifty controls. > 8) Why I the selector buttons are the size of ittybitty pixie fingertips? > 9) Why I need to waste money on high fidelity for a noisy car? > 10) Where am I supposed to find room for a subwoofer and a center speaker? > 11) Knobs. Did I mention that I like knobs? How about a volume control knob? > > > I either need to borrow a kid to help with this project, or find a > wife who can operate one of these contraptions while I drive. I may > stick with cassettes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:15:14 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old Forgot to mention, for answers to your question, google 'scraper' and look at the definitions that have something to do with cars. Totally a bay area thing, but remember that around here it's quite popular to have your car make lots of noise while stationary, and be done up in such a way to gather attention. There are actually competitions where you try to figure out whose stereo is not only the loudest, and not only whose bass hits the hardest, but how far away from the vehicle you can be and still not detect distortion. Apparently, *I* am too old for this too. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 08:05:47PM -0700, Kevin wrote: > I generally just leave the stock radio in the vehicle. If the stock radio > only has one speaker, all the better. Old country really doesn't sound right > with two speakers ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old I use the stock analog two knob radio in my 123 and have one of those cassette adapter thingies from the 99 cent store. Works well enough for me and I find the two knob interface FAR superior to the new fangled digital ones. My 82 CD had some modern thing in it that was apparently worth stealing as some one stole it. I replaced it with a Becker Europa from a yard. I called Becker and they sold me new belts. The RF part is very nice and I now pick up stations that I did not get before. There are some sort of input jacks on the back of the Europa. I bet a call to Becker USA would leave one knowing how to make use of them. Oh, and the cassette adapter thingy would not work with the CD version that got stolen. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: "Mike Frank" Cc: "diesel-benz list" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:05:47 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old I generally just leave the stock radio in the vehicle. If the stock radio only has one speaker, all the better. Old country really doesn't sound right with two speakers ;) Seriously, though, in the event I've had to replace radios (which is pretty rare), I've just put some pioneer CD player, pretty much the cheapest I could find. If I was you, I'd probably get one that was capable of playing MP3s, since a lot of books on tape are delivered in that format now. My brother put in something similar to: http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=300&i=105KDG340&c=3&tp=5684 in his W123 since it had a wiped out old audiovox in it when he got the car. Can't remember if it was Jerry or Derick, but someone pointed out an IC-706 was the exact right size to replace the stereo in his car. It can receive FM and AM broadcasts (amongst other things), but won't help you with books on tape. Not to mention, the functional equivalent of the pioneer in the jetta would run you about a hundred bucks and I don't think you can buy a BROKEN IC-706 for that. New cassette players are available, but the new cassette decks aren't any less complicated from what I've noticed. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:06:58PM -0400, Mike Frank wrote: > I decided that since my new old car only had a cassette radio, I > needed something more up to date so that I could listen to my books > on tape (which are no longer on tape). So I set out to buy a car > radio. I don't understand: > > 1) Why I need a remote control for a car radio > 2) Why I need a fold out LCD screen on a car radio > 3) What all the abbreviations stand for: > CD/MP3/WMA/HDR/USB/SD/MMC/XM/Din1/TEL/NAVI/AUX > 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come > with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). > 5) Where do all these damn wires go? > 6) Why do the video screens flash endless advertisements when you > turn the radio off? > 7) Why I can't have a tone control knob. I find it more reassuring > than having to scroll through menus. A nice, old fashioned tone > control instead of a graphic equalizer with fifty controls. > 8) Why I the selector buttons are the size of ittybitty pixie fingertips? > 9) Why I need to waste money on high fidelity for a noisy car? > 10) Where am I supposed to find room for a subwoofer and a center speaker? > 11) Knobs. Did I mention that I like knobs? How about a volume control knob? > > > I either need to borrow a kid to help with this project, or find a > wife who can operate one of these contraptions while I drive. I may > stick with cassettes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? I just bought the mac mini... heading upstairs to enjoy the mac experience... plug and play. :) unwrapped it in my office... no trash to deal with upstairs.... picked up another 2.5" drive for my laptop, 250G for 104! you know, I hope my drive in this laptop is sata... didn't even think about that at the time. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 May 2008, Kevin wrote: # On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:01:23PM -0700, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > >> CUPS? What printer are you installing? # > > *** Brother MFC-8860DN. It's on the network. CUPS found it after I # > > installed # > > the Brother drivers. The fax is another matter. Brother's backend # > > driver seems # > > to be broken. They'd neglected a really simple software requirement, and # > > it broke # > > all printer discovery - not only for Brother printers but for all others # > > also. # > > Luckily, it was in a shell script so was easy to fix. But there's more # > > stuff, it # > > looks like I have to actually *understand* CUPS to fix it :(. # > # > *** Got it working! Now I can type lpr -P brotherpcfax -o ####### file.ps, # > and a moment later - out on the network - the multifunction machine beeps, # > comes to life, and starts dialing. Way cool. # > # > Only thing is, I don't store anything as a .ps ( postscript ) file. # > No problem - say "pdf2ps infile outfile" to make it :). # # Why mess with the file when you can do it all in a pipe? :) # # Then again, this comes from someone who had to bump up the default command # line length on an AIX machine cause his command line got too long. # # Now that we're done with that, don't we have some cars to fix? # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2755 **********************************