From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu May 15 04:00:37 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, May 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2758 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] How you know you're old Re: [db] Is anyone home? [db] ping/knock noise Re: [db] ping/knock noise Re: [db] How you know you're old [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] How you know you're old Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:21:08 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Yup. Mileage in that truck falls like a rock if you get it much over 2100 rpm. 70 mph is about 18 mpg. 75 mph is about 16 mpg. 80 mph is between 12 and 13 mpg. Empty, of course. Then again, this is a 4x4 crew cab dually with 325 horsepower and 610 ft-lbs of torque from the factory... On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:49:03AM -0700, Jim Hoffman wrote: > 2500RPM? I must have missed that. I didn't see Kev > mention anything about 2500RPM. But, yes, that would > be a cause. I cruise right around 1500 at 55MPH. > > Jim > > --- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" > wrote: > > > The key was 2500RPM. That Cummins REDLINES at about > > 3200RPM, IIRC. It's > > designed to cruise between 1600-1800RPM. 2500RPM is > > like doing 55 in 3rd gear > > or something absurd like that. > > > > (And my numbers might be a little off, but you get > > the idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:25:51 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:07:23AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Tuesday 13 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from Mike Frank who wrote: > > > 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come > > with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). > > So you can remove it and take it away when you park the car, thus making your > radio less attractive to the anti-social elements of society who would be > tepted to break your window and steal the radio to pay for their daily fix. Guess a seemingly nice, quiet country like paraguay isn't immune to drugged out derelicts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old what else can you do in a landlocked country that has a fully staffed navy? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 14 May 2008, Kevin wrote: # On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:07:23AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # > On Tuesday 13 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # > from Mike Frank who wrote: # > # > > 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come # > > with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). # > # > So you can remove it and take it away when you park the car, thus making your # > radio less attractive to the anti-social elements of society who would be # > tepted to break your window and steal the radio to pay for their daily fix. # # Guess a seemingly nice, quiet country like paraguay isn't immune to drugged # out derelicts. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:51:27 -0700 From: Brian Knowles Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old Kevin wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:07:23AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > >> On Tuesday 13 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive >> from Mike Frank who wrote: >> >> >>> 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come >>> with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). >>> >> So you can remove it and take it away when you park the car, thus making your >> radio less attractive to the anti-social elements of society who would be >> tepted to break your window and steal the radio to pay for their daily fix. >> > > Guess a seemingly nice, quiet country like paraguay isn't immune to drugged > out derelicts. > > Enquiring minds want to know: Whats with Paraguay, anyway? is there a Monoguay somewhere? or a Sudoguay? My knowledge of South America is limited to the evident fact that they used to produce pretty good Bossa Nova... bk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:10:39 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old Dont know about you folks, but I think it is time to buy stock in hearing aid companies. All those low riders, scrapers, rice rockets and so on, with 20 something to 30 somethings behind the wheel and 500 W quad amp 18" woofers in the trunk are all going to need hearing assistance in the near future ;-) john wrote: > eh? > > whaddya say? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Or more considerate of our neighbors... > # Maybe we actually "care" now! > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- Eric Ditwiler wrote: > # > # > I saw a bumper sticker on a rice rocket in Po'mona, > # > CA (a lot like Oakland only not as nice , . . .) > # > that said "If it's too loud you're too old" > # > > # > Or maybe "too smart" > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Is anyone home? Yeah, and mine is an extended cab short box with single wheels... Well, stay out of the go pedal!!! ;) Jim - --- Kevin wrote: > Yup. Mileage in that truck falls like a rock if you > get it much over 2100 > rpm. 70 mph is about 18 mpg. 75 mph is about 16 mpg. > 80 mph is between 12 and > 13 mpg. Empty, of course. > > Then again, this is a 4x4 crew cab dually with 325 > horsepower and 610 ft-lbs > of torque from the factory... > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:49:03AM -0700, Jim > Hoffman wrote: > > 2500RPM? I must have missed that. I didn't see > Kev > > mention anything about 2500RPM. But, yes, that > would > > be a cause. I cruise right around 1500 at 55MPH. > > > > Jim > > > > --- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" > > > wrote: > > > > > The key was 2500RPM. That Cummins REDLINES at > about > > > 3200RPM, IIRC. It's > > > designed to cruise between 1600-1800RPM. 2500RPM > is > > > like doing 55 in 3rd gear > > > or something absurd like that. > > > > > > (And my numbers might be a little off, but you > get > > > the idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:34:00 -0700 From: "Susan Bernick" Subject: [db] ping/knock noise So my intrepid neighbor Mike, he of the sunroof gasket sealant question of awhile back, taught me how to change my own oil this past weekend. After we'd buttoned it up, I turned it over to make sure there were no leaks, and with the hood up the slight and irregular pinging noise I'd been hearing for awhile sounded like a cacaphony. My water pump is leaking, very slowly, and while I initially diagnosed either the water pump (my 85 Ford Escort water pump made a pinging noise before it failed) or something to do with the fan behind the grille, Mike said he thought it sounded like a valve. He would know far better than I. So my question to the list is: how often do you adjust your valves/have your valves adjusted? And are there any other things about these motors that could cause a rather loud (with the hood up) extremely irregular (purrpurrpurrpurr*klang*purr*klang*purrpurrpurrpurrpurrpurr*klang*purrpurrpurr*klang*purr) noise? And if you pay someone to do it, any estimates on cost? Within a couple hundred dollars is close enough. 83 300DL. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:10:25 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] ping/knock noise A clang isn't a usual valve noise. Valves actually get quieter as they tighten up. You should do an adjustment once a year, say around 15K miles. The correct Hazet wrenches make this job much easier. If your car has the original aluminum fan, then I would look for something interfering with the blade. What I like to do with any mystery noise is to remove all the fan belts. Then run the motor for a bit (it won't overheat if you keep it to less than a minute). That will tell you whether it's an internal or an external noise. Take it from there. Mike Frank t 07:34 PM 5/14/2008, Susan Bernick wrote: >So my intrepid neighbor Mike, he of the sunroof gasket sealant >question of awhile back, taught me how to change my own oil this past >weekend. After we'd buttoned it up, I turned it over to make sure >there were no leaks, and with the hood up the slight and irregular >pinging noise I'd been hearing for awhile sounded like a cacaphony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:06 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] How you know you're old On Wednesday 14 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive from john who wrote: > what else can you do in a landlocked country that has a fully staffed > navy? Switzerland for one; ISTR that their sea-going navy is based in Antwerp and Triest. And the Outer-Mongolian Navy, proudly steaming through the Ulan Bator roads.... Cheers, Ron. - -- Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord is ein starkes Trostmittel: Mit ihm kommt man gut |ber manche bvse Nacht hinweg. -- Friedrich Nietsche -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. 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Steve On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM, john wrote: > what else can you do in a landlocked country that has a fully staffed > navy? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008, Kevin wrote: > > # On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:07:23AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > # > On Tuesday 13 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive > # > from Mike Frank who wrote: > # > > # > > 4) Why a "head unit" needs a detachable face. Fortunately, they come > # > > with a little storage box (is this called a head case?). > # > > # > So you can remove it and take it away when you park the car, thus > making your > # > radio less attractive to the anti-social elements of society who would > be > # > tepted to break your window and steal the radio to pay for their daily > fix. > # > # Guess a seemingly nice, quiet country like paraguay isn't immune to > drugged > # out derelicts. > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2758 **********************************