From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 21 21:32:18 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, May 22 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2764 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] comfortable seats? Re: [db] comfortable seats? RE: [db] comfortable seats? Re: [db] comfortable seats? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] comfortable seats? there are kits available to redo the original straw matting in the older benz seats... can't think of the name of the guy now... it's up in bellingham. the ml320 seats were pretty good... we were ok on them for about 3 or 4 hours. ;) that sure was a pretty rig... loved the interior on that thing... too bad I couldn't get excited about it... or afford it. ;) now, if that had been a Diesel... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 21 May 2008, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # The best seats I've had are the ones in my 1976 240D, when # they were still the original padding (need to replace the # foam that got put in when I had it reupholstered years ago -- # gets too hot in the heat, and lacks any support now, # especially side-to-side). MB Tex vinyl, with all the little # indentations for not sticking to it. They worked great in # the NY/NJ summers and winters, even without any A/C in the # car. Never too cold or too hot as a seat. (Not true with # the newer foam filling.) # # The leather seats in the 2000 ML were very comfortable, but # didn't have much lumbar support (not something I've had to # worry about... yet). # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # # On Wed May 21, 2008, John Meister wrote: # > leather is the only thing I like to sit on... cloth is too hot # > and gives me a wedgie... vinyl reminds me of the '60s and when # > hot you stick to it... :) # > # > I don't mind my '91 300D seats, but I stuck a LUMBAR support behind # > the sheepskin... # > # > so, K, if you get a car with leather seats, will happily help you # > swap them out and take them off your hands... we can meet in Medford. ;) # > # > may drive down to Medford this weekend... # > # > is Redding the closest In-n-Out burger?? do they have one in Crescent # > City, cA yet? :) # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Seriously, the aftermarket recaros a friend put in his 1993 FZJ-80 (toyota # > # landcruiser). Plan on spending a bunch. # > # # > # After that, it's all pretty much a wash. Up to about the twelve hour mark, just # > # about anything is fine for me. Crossing the 12 hour mark in one day really # > # requires the support one gets from a german car seat in good condition. # > # # > # John's comment about leather deserves a callout though. I *LOATHE* leather # > # seats. I searched for months before I bought the dodge because I did not want # > # a truck with leather seats. Cloth seats, even the black ones in the dodge, just # > # stay so much cooler, and the material stays serviceable much longer. Only thing # > # that works better than cloth is that vinyl stuff, but it isn't overly # > # comfortable on a warm day, much less a hot day. I really liked mb tex as a # > # material - durable, and as long as it was a light color, it wasn't # > # uncomfortable in the heat. The Recaros that Rick put in his landmine were # > # cloth, and I can't remember, but I think he lost a lot of power options # > # going to them. Another friend has the same vehicle, but with stock seats, # > # and his are majorly adjustable. # > # # > # On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:54:18PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > Most comfortable seats I remember: # > # > 63 Mercedes 190c, but they had no headrests # > # > 71 Volvo 145, especially when you leaned them back # > # > 89 Mercedes 300CE, when she was still young # > # > # > # > Can't say that I've found US seats that I thought were comfortable and # > # > supportive for long trips, but I also haven't tried as many domestics as # > # > imports. # > # > # > # > Alec # > # > # > # > > -----Original Message----- # > # > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john # > # > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:06 PM # > # > > To: undisclosed-recipients: # > # > > Subject: [db] comfortable seats? # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my # > # > > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but # > # > > comfortable # > # > > is the highest priority. # > # > > # > # > > I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so far # > # > > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats are # > # > > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our '99 # > # > > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that # > # > > they're a little # > # > > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be # > # > > interesting # > # > > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) # > # > > # > # > > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? # > # > > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:28:21 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] comfortable seats? That's because the original padding was a special material that I can only compare to very fine straw. I've heard it has horsehair in it or something. It breathes much better than any foam. J - -- Bruce Caruthers wrote: The best seats I've had are the ones in my 1976 240D, when they were still the original padding (need to replace the foam that got put in when I had it reupholstered years ago -- gets too hot in the heat, and lacks any support now, especially side-to-side). MB Tex vinyl, with all the little indentations for not sticking to it. They worked great in the NY/NJ summers and winters, even without any A/C in the car. Never too cold or too hot as a seat. (Not true with the newer foam filling.) The leather seats in the 2000 ML were very comfortable, but didn't have much lumbar support (not something I've had to worry about... yet). - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Wed May 21, 2008, John Meister wrote: > leather is the only thing I like to sit on... cloth is too hot > and gives me a wedgie... vinyl reminds me of the '60s and when > hot you stick to it... :) > > I don't mind my '91 300D seats, but I stuck a LUMBAR support behind > the sheepskin... > > so, K, if you get a car with leather seats, will happily help you > swap them out and take them off your hands... we can meet in Medford. ;) > > may drive down to Medford this weekend... > > is Redding the closest In-n-Out burger?? do they have one in Crescent > City, cA yet? :) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Kevin wrote: > > # Seriously, the aftermarket recaros a friend put in his 1993 FZJ-80 (toyota > # landcruiser). Plan on spending a bunch. > # > # After that, it's all pretty much a wash. Up to about the twelve hour mark, just > # about anything is fine for me. Crossing the 12 hour mark in one day really > # requires the support one gets from a german car seat in good condition. > # > # John's comment about leather deserves a callout though. I *LOATHE* leather > # seats. I searched for months before I bought the dodge because I did not want > # a truck with leather seats. Cloth seats, even the black ones in the dodge, just > # stay so much cooler, and the material stays serviceable much longer. Only thing > # that works better than cloth is that vinyl stuff, but it isn't overly > # comfortable on a warm day, much less a hot day. I really liked mb tex as a > # material - durable, and as long as it was a light color, it wasn't > # uncomfortable in the heat. The Recaros that Rick put in his landmine were > # cloth, and I can't remember, but I think he lost a lot of power options > # going to them. Another friend has the same vehicle, but with stock seats, > # and his are majorly adjustable. > # > # On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:54:18PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > # > Most comfortable seats I remember: > # > 63 Mercedes 190c, but they had no headrests > # > 71 Volvo 145, especially when you leaned them back > # > 89 Mercedes 300CE, when she was still young > # > > # > Can't say that I've found US seats that I thought were comfortable and > # > supportive for long trips, but I also haven't tried as many domestics as > # > imports. > # > > # > Alec > # > > # > > -----Original Message----- > # > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > # > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:06 PM > # > > To: undisclosed-recipients: > # > > Subject: [db] comfortable seats? > # > > > # > > > # > > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my > # > > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but > # > > comfortable > # > > is the highest priority. > # > > > # > > I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so far > # > > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats are > # > > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our '99 > # > > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that > # > > they're a little > # > > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be > # > > interesting > # > > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) > # > > > # > > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? > # > > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:18:45 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] comfortable seats? rubberized horsehair. Old school upholstery padding. I think even original VW bugs used it. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:28 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] comfortable seats? > > > That's because the original padding was a special material that I can only > compare to very fine straw. I've heard it has horsehair in it or > something. It > breathes much better than any foam. > > J > > -- Bruce Caruthers wrote: > The best seats I've had are the ones in my 1976 240D, when > they were still the original padding (need to replace the > foam that got put in when I had it reupholstered years ago -- > gets too hot in the heat, and lacks any support now, > especially side-to-side). MB Tex vinyl, with all the little > indentations for not sticking to it. They worked great in > the NY/NJ summers and winters, even without any A/C in the > car. Never too cold or too hot as a seat. (Not true with > the newer foam filling.) > > The leather seats in the 2000 ML were very comfortable, but > didn't have much lumbar support (not something I've had to > worry about... yet). > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > > > On Wed May 21, 2008, John Meister wrote: > > leather is the only thing I like to sit on... cloth is too hot > > and gives me a wedgie... vinyl reminds me of the '60s and when > > hot you stick to it... :) > > > > I don't mind my '91 300D seats, but I stuck a LUMBAR support behind > > the sheepskin... > > > > so, K, if you get a car with leather seats, will happily help you > > swap them out and take them off your hands... we can meet in Medford. ;) > > > > may drive down to Medford this weekend... > > > > is Redding the closest In-n-Out burger?? do they have one in Crescent > > City, cA yet? :) > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Kevin wrote: > > > > # Seriously, the aftermarket recaros a friend put in his 1993 FZJ-80 > (toyota > > # landcruiser). Plan on spending a bunch. > > # > > # After that, it's all pretty much a wash. Up to about the twelve hour > mark, just > > # about anything is fine for me. Crossing the 12 hour mark in one day > really > > # requires the support one gets from a german car seat in good > condition. > > # > > # John's comment about leather deserves a callout though. I *LOATHE* > leather > > # seats. I searched for months before I bought the dodge > because I did not > want > > # a truck with leather seats. Cloth seats, even the black ones in the > dodge, just > > # stay so much cooler, and the material stays serviceable much > longer. Only > thing > > # that works better than cloth is that vinyl stuff, but it isn't overly > > # comfortable on a warm day, much less a hot day. I really > liked mb tex as > a > > # material - durable, and as long as it was a light color, it wasn't > > # uncomfortable in the heat. The Recaros that Rick put in his landmine > were > > # cloth, and I can't remember, but I think he lost a lot of > power options > > # going to them. Another friend has the same vehicle, but with stock > seats, > > # and his are majorly adjustable. > > # > > # On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:54:18PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > > # > Most comfortable seats I remember: > > # > 63 Mercedes 190c, but they had no headrests > > # > 71 Volvo 145, especially when you leaned them back > > # > 89 Mercedes 300CE, when she was still young > > # > > > # > Can't say that I've found US seats that I thought were > comfortable and > > # > supportive for long trips, but I also haven't tried as > many domestics > as > > # > imports. > > # > > > # > Alec > > # > > > # > > -----Original Message----- > > # > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > # > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > > # > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:06 PM > > # > > To: undisclosed-recipients: > > # > > Subject: [db] comfortable seats? > > # > > > > # > > > > # > > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my > > # > > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but > > # > > comfortable > > # > > is the highest priority. > > # > > > > # > > I think everyone has different ideas about what is > comfortable... so > far > > # > > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ > (1999-2004) seats > are > > # > > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our > '99 > > # > > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that > > # > > they're a little > > # > > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be > > # > > interesting > > # > > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) > > # > > > > # > > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? > > # > > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) > > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] comfortable seats? I think you're right... horsehair... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 22 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # That's because the original padding was a special material that I can only # compare to very fine straw. I've heard it has horsehair in it or something. It # breathes much better than any foam. # # J # # -- Bruce Caruthers wrote: # The best seats I've had are the ones in my 1976 240D, when # they were still the original padding (need to replace the # foam that got put in when I had it reupholstered years ago -- # gets too hot in the heat, and lacks any support now, # especially side-to-side). MB Tex vinyl, with all the little # indentations for not sticking to it. They worked great in # the NY/NJ summers and winters, even without any A/C in the # car. Never too cold or too hot as a seat. (Not true with # the newer foam filling.) # # The leather seats in the 2000 ML were very comfortable, but # didn't have much lumbar support (not something I've had to # worry about... yet). # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # # On Wed May 21, 2008, John Meister wrote: # > leather is the only thing I like to sit on... cloth is too hot # > and gives me a wedgie... vinyl reminds me of the '60s and when # > hot you stick to it... :) # > # > I don't mind my '91 300D seats, but I stuck a LUMBAR support behind # > the sheepskin... # > # > so, K, if you get a car with leather seats, will happily help you # > swap them out and take them off your hands... we can meet in Medford. ;) # > # > may drive down to Medford this weekend... # > # > is Redding the closest In-n-Out burger?? do they have one in Crescent # > City, cA yet? :) # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Seriously, the aftermarket recaros a friend put in his 1993 FZJ-80 # (toyota # > # landcruiser). Plan on spending a bunch. # > # # > # After that, it's all pretty much a wash. Up to about the twelve hour # mark, just # > # about anything is fine for me. Crossing the 12 hour mark in one day # really # > # requires the support one gets from a german car seat in good condition. # > # # > # John's comment about leather deserves a callout though. I *LOATHE* # leather # > # seats. I searched for months before I bought the dodge because I did not # want # > # a truck with leather seats. Cloth seats, even the black ones in the # dodge, just # > # stay so much cooler, and the material stays serviceable much longer. Only # thing # > # that works better than cloth is that vinyl stuff, but it isn't overly # > # comfortable on a warm day, much less a hot day. I really liked mb tex as # a # > # material - durable, and as long as it was a light color, it wasn't # > # uncomfortable in the heat. The Recaros that Rick put in his landmine # were # > # cloth, and I can't remember, but I think he lost a lot of power options # > # going to them. Another friend has the same vehicle, but with stock # seats, # > # and his are majorly adjustable. # > # # > # On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:54:18PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > Most comfortable seats I remember: # > # > 63 Mercedes 190c, but they had no headrests # > # > 71 Volvo 145, especially when you leaned them back # > # > 89 Mercedes 300CE, when she was still young # > # > # > # > Can't say that I've found US seats that I thought were comfortable and # > # > supportive for long trips, but I also haven't tried as many domestics # as # > # > imports. # > # > # > # > Alec # > # > # > # > > -----Original Message----- # > # > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john # > # > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:06 PM # > # > > To: undisclosed-recipients: # > # > > Subject: [db] comfortable seats? # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my # > # > > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but # > # > > comfortable # > # > > is the highest priority. # > # > > # > # > > I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so # far # > # > > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats # are # > # > > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our # '99 # > # > > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that # > # > > they're a little # > # > > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be # > # > > interesting # > # > > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) # > # > > # > # > > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? # > # > > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2764 **********************************