From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat May 31 18:05:36 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, June 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2772 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Why would it smoke like this? Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] Why would it smoke like this? Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Re: [db] excitement in clearview Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:03:29 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Why would it smoke like this? Head gasket? ruined injector? Ovalled-out engine? ebay id 160245357187 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:11:53 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview WHY? 1. You'll not get much better mileage, if any. 2. It probably won't be diesel. 3. You won't be able to pull much, if anything. 4. You've HATED every other machine you've tried. TAKE IT DOWN WHILE YOU STILL CAN. You've been warned. J - --------------- also considering getting a smaller SUV, testing the water: http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?id=3728&mode=1 john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview On Sat, 31 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # WHY? # 1. You'll not get much better mileage, if any. # 2. It probably won't be diesel. # 3. You won't be able to pull much, if anything. # 4. You've HATED every other machine you've tried. # TAKE IT DOWN WHILE YOU STILL CAN. You've been warned. # J # --------------- # also considering getting a smaller SUV, testing the water: # http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?id=3728&mode=1 # john sort of considering a Rav4 L, 2002... 22 city 28 freeway, leather, low miles, one owner, like new... yes, you are right, not a Diesel, no towing (unless you consider 1,500lbs towing... my trailer weighs 2,000lbs empty)... my wife isn't excited about the size of the Rav4, won't sell the Grand Cherokee or the 300D... all I've got left to do is hook up the a/c and cruise on my '91 Grand Wagoneer... considering replacing the 6.2L Diesel with a 6.5L TD... would have to modify the inner fenders to clear the turbo, but would get better mileage, would be quieter (lower compression) and more power... and it would bolt right up to my transmission/mounts... no other mods... waiting to hear from a guy with a '94 pickup with a bad trans... the biggest problem with the GW is the vibrations from the engine, still working on the mounts/ride issues... so close, yet when it's all said and done it's still an old truck and I'll be forever tweaking and adjusting things... the appeal of a newer rig that's affordable to drive is not having to do that stuff... one of the reasons I bought the '99 WJ that my wife confiscated and only gets 14 mpg in town... anyone bidding at the price I have set would get a good deal and I'd take the money and put a 6.5 in my J10 and start over again, so no worries... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Why would it smoke like this? a bad injector could provide a whitish smoke... but that also has a grayish/blue tint, indicating possible oil buring from a bad ring... a compression test or ... loosening each injector and watching the exhaust might tell the story... considering the history of this engine... I would run, not walk, away... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Head gasket? ruined injector? Ovalled-out engine? # # ebay id 160245357187 # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview a new reality... just got an email, need to go up north for a barrel of BioDiesel... :) the reality is if I have BioDiesel for Omega it's cheaper to drive it than a gas Rav4... Even with Regular Unleaded at "only" $4.03/gal and Diesel at $4.93 (actually it's $4.99 now) monthly costs (based on min. of 5 gals BioDiesel/veggie oil per week): Shadowfax on BioDiesel/Diesel (5 gals/wk of biod)i $7.57 Omega on BioDiesel/Diesel (figuring 5 gals/wk of biod) $81.06 Rav4 on regular unleaded: $118.15 the '99 WJ on regular unleaded: $185.67 without BioD or WVO the costs are: monthly w/o biod Rav4: $118.15 Omega: $187.05 300D: $113.57 WJ: $185.67 There is some good news in the oil world... I heard that the prices are coming back down... not drastically, but they may have peaked... anyone got a metered electric pump for sale for Diesel? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 May 2008, Colucci B wrote: # Anybody who knows a thing or two about FSJ 360 motors is aware of the fact # that they can jump a tooth with their timing set, and this causes all kinds # of strange running behavior from the vehicle. In this case I think John's # internal brain timing set has jumped two teeth. He is definitely not firing # on all cylinders. Perhaps with the appearance of sunshine in Snohomish it # has baked the hairless area on his head and his brain might be slightly # boiled. The worst thing is he is being tempted by a rice burner, which he # admits has many inherent flaws. It's only redeeming quality is so-so fuel # mileage. # # This may require a full intervention from us as his friends. Step one, # somebody with web talent needs to bomb the auction site and kill off the # auction. Secondly two or three of us who care about John need to go to his # house and chain ourselves to Omega until john comes to his senses. # # Ok where are my volunteers? # # # The Admiral # # john wrote: # > On Sat, 31 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # WHY? # > # 1. You'll not get much better mileage, if any. # > # 2. It probably won't be diesel. # > # 3. You won't be able to pull much, if anything. # > # 4. You've HATED every other machine you've tried. # > # TAKE IT DOWN WHILE YOU STILL CAN. You've been warned. # > # J # > # --------------- # > # also considering getting a smaller SUV, testing the water: # > # http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?id=3728&mode=1 # > #john # > # > sort of considering a Rav4 L, 2002... 22 city 28 freeway, # > leather, low miles, one owner, like new... # > # > yes, you are right, not a Diesel, no towing (unless you # > consider 1,500lbs towing... my trailer weighs 2,000lbs empty)... # > # > my wife isn't excited about the size of the Rav4, won't # > sell the Grand Cherokee or the 300D... # > all I've got left to do is hook up the a/c and cruise on my '91 Grand # > Wagoneer... considering replacing the 6.2L Diesel # > with a 6.5L TD... would have to modify the inner fenders to # > clear the turbo, but would get better mileage, would be # > quieter (lower compression) and more power... and it would # > bolt right up to my transmission/mounts... no other mods... # > waiting to hear from a guy with a '94 pickup with a bad # > trans... # > # > the biggest problem with the GW is the vibrations from the # > engine, still working on the mounts/ride issues... so close, # > yet when it's all said and done it's still an old truck and # > I'll be forever tweaking and adjusting things... the appeal # > of a newer rig that's affordable to drive is not having to # > do that stuff... one of the reasons I bought the '99 WJ that # > my wife confiscated and only gets 14 mpg in town... # > anyone bidding at the price I have set would get a good deal # > and I'd take the money and put a 6.5 in my J10 and start over # > again, so no worries... :) # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview > a new reality... just got an email, need to > go up north for a barrel of BioDiesel... :) > > the reality is if I have BioDiesel for Omega it's cheaper > to drive it than a gas Rav4... Even with Regular Unleaded at > "only" $4.03/gal and Diesel at $4.93 (actually it's $4.99 now) *** $5.10 here in California. 100-octane leaded avgas is only thirty cents more. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview the rescue call came from up north... enough bioDiesel to last a month... :) have to haul the WVO up... connected the a/c lines to the pump, heading into NAPA to get a correct length a/c belt... maybe they'll have some rubber for a better motor mount... seriously considering swapping out this 6.2L for a 6.5L TD... 1) it'll bolt right up... 2) lower compression - less noise 3) turbo - less noise, more power 4) better economy... noise and vibration are still the enemy... also looking for a nice set of tan leather seats, preferably WJ... we'll see. I looked at a set of Rover seats yesterday... wouldn't work. bmw e36 series won't work... acura seats won't work... have a pair of WJ seats in now, a little tall, but workable... the price on the auction starts at 7.5K, with a reserve a bit higher than that... if it sells for that much I'll let it go... and then go down and retrieve Superdawg and put a 6.5L TD in him... I can't get my wife to part with the '99 WJ or my '91 300D. Omega won't likely see road trips unless I get the vibrations worked out... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 May 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # Am S|nnavend 31 Mai 2008, hest Du schrieven: # # > sort of considering a Rav4 L, 2002... 22 city 28 freeway, # > leather, low miles, one owner, like new... # # Noo, come on! Omega is barely running a month! Can't talk about trading it # yet... keep in mind that it is one very fine vehicle with a lot of work # you've done. # # Hey, I was looking forward to hearing some great Omega road trip storys in # the next few years, so you cannot sell it now ;-) # # Seriously, as Jason said: Take it down before it is too late. A RAV4 would # be frightened of you. It is not a Meister Vehicle. # # Andreas (still without a ride ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview ouch. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 May 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > a new reality... just got an email, need to # > go up north for a barrel of BioDiesel... :) # > # > the reality is if I have BioDiesel for Omega it's cheaper # > to drive it than a gas Rav4... Even with Regular Unleaded at # > "only" $4.03/gal and Diesel at $4.93 (actually it's $4.99 now) # # *** $5.10 here in California. 100-octane leaded avgas is only thirty cents # more. # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview > ouch. *** Indeed. I'm thinking maybe I should get a small economical car. I used to have a Datsun 1200 hatchback that was great - it got something like 30MPG in the city. It had a 7-gallon gas tank, and back then you could fill it with pocket change. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview Start over?!?! I don't think so... "OMEGA"!!! ;) Jim - --- john wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # WHY? > # 1. You'll not get much better mileage, if any. > # 2. It probably won't be diesel. > # 3. You won't be able to pull much, if anything. > # 4. You've HATED every other machine you've tried. > # TAKE IT DOWN WHILE YOU STILL CAN. You've been > warned. > # J > # --------------- > # also considering getting a smaller SUV, testing > the water: > # http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?id=3728&mode=1 > # john > > sort of considering a Rav4 L, 2002... 22 city 28 > freeway, > leather, low miles, one owner, like new... > > yes, you are right, not a Diesel, no towing (unless > you > consider 1,500lbs towing... my trailer weighs > 2,000lbs empty)... > > my wife isn't excited about the size of the Rav4, > won't > sell the Grand Cherokee or the 300D... > > all I've got left to do is hook up the a/c and > cruise on my > '91 Grand Wagoneer... considering replacing the 6.2L > Diesel > with a 6.5L TD... would have to modify the inner > fenders to > clear the turbo, but would get better mileage, would > be > quieter (lower compression) and more power... and it > would > bolt right up to my transmission/mounts... no other > mods... > waiting to hear from a guy with a '94 pickup with a > bad > trans... > > the biggest problem with the GW is the vibrations > from the > engine, still working on the mounts/ride issues... > so close, > yet when it's all said and done it's still an old > truck and > I'll be forever tweaking and adjusting things... > the appeal > of a newer rig that's affordable to drive is not > having to > do that stuff... one of the reasons I bought the '99 > WJ that > my wife confiscated and only gets 14 mpg in town... > > anyone bidding at the price I have set would get a > good deal > and I'd take the money and put a 6.5 in my J10 and > start over > again, so no worries... :) > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] excitement in clearview just finished hooking up the a/c lines and wiring... setup a bracket for the cruise... mounted the stock cruise... just need to plug it in and figure a way of attaching the cable to the IP... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 May 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Start over?!?! I don't think so... "OMEGA"!!! # # ;) # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > On Sat, 31 May 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # WHY? # > # 1. You'll not get much better mileage, if any. # > # 2. It probably won't be diesel. # > # 3. You won't be able to pull much, if anything. # > # 4. You've HATED every other machine you've tried. # > # TAKE IT DOWN WHILE YOU STILL CAN. You've been # > warned. # > # J # > # --------------- # > # also considering getting a smaller SUV, testing # > the water: # > # http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?id=3728&mode=1 # > # john # > # > sort of considering a Rav4 L, 2002... 22 city 28 # > freeway, # > leather, low miles, one owner, like new... # > # > yes, you are right, not a Diesel, no towing (unless # > you # > consider 1,500lbs towing... my trailer weighs # > 2,000lbs empty)... # > # > my wife isn't excited about the size of the Rav4, # > won't # > sell the Grand Cherokee or the 300D... # > # > all I've got left to do is hook up the a/c and # > cruise on my # > '91 Grand Wagoneer... considering replacing the 6.2L # > Diesel # > with a 6.5L TD... would have to modify the inner # > fenders to # > clear the turbo, but would get better mileage, would # > be # > quieter (lower compression) and more power... and it # > would # > bolt right up to my transmission/mounts... no other # > mods... # > waiting to hear from a guy with a '94 pickup with a # > bad # > trans... # > # > the biggest problem with the GW is the vibrations # > from the # > engine, still working on the mounts/ride issues... # > so close, # > yet when it's all said and done it's still an old # > truck and # > I'll be forever tweaking and adjusting things... # > the appeal # > of a newer rig that's affordable to drive is not # > having to # > do that stuff... one of the reasons I bought the '99 # > WJ that # > my wife confiscated and only gets 14 mpg in town... # > # > anyone bidding at the price I have set would get a # > good deal # > and I'd take the money and put a 6.5 in my J10 and # > start over # > again, so no worries... :) # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthethics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2772 **********************************