From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 5 07:58:39 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, June 5 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2778 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] OT: 1953 New Yorker and a '94 XJ Re: [db] OT: 1953 New Yorker and a '94 XJ [db] "fine" adjustments Re: [db] xj: diesel Jeep kits (fwd) Re: [db] xj: diesel Jeep kits (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: 1953 New Yorker and a '94 XJ at this point my work schedule is pretty full... I have to find the other end of the wire that controls the a/c clutch solenoid and then make a bracket for the cruise control linkage, and of course the other end of that wire... that may take a few weeks. ;) had the a/c system charged up today... well, actually over the last three days... frankenstein systems are always fun... custom hoses, adapting pumps and brackets basically from three different vehicles... an '83 3/4T pickup, an '85 Blazer and of course the '91 Grand Wagoneer.... of course some of the parts could have come right off an XJ cherokee too... :) omega has simmered down after I replaced that hose going into the lift pump... starting and stopping better... running well, but still lots of vibration... I need to get a fuel gauge on the aux tank... haven't filled up since we got back from portland... still need to find rubber mounts to set that engine on... and also a short a/c belt, or a big hammer to increase clearance on the inner fender... when I turn right the engine tips and the a/c pulley grinds against the fender. :) oh yeah, also cancelled the auction today on omega... and have given up on the idea of a gas mini-suv type toy, except maybe as a "spare tire" for omega. :) the xj may end up in my possession... a friend needs the fuel system for one of his frankenstein projects... haven't seen the jeep for a couple of years, but if it's straight I'll scout out a Diesel for it, if my neighbor will let me store it on his farm for a bit... suspect he will... so, keep your eyes open for a suitable Diesel for an XJ... thinking 2.5L TD with the a/t... :) ah yes, dreams of (more) Diesels... as far as that '53 NYr, too much work for me... guess the guy got it for the hemi... hate to see old cars like that scrapped though... hope someone rescues it... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Why??! They're big, noisy, and clunky. The 3.5 would be almost as powerful, # probably more efficient, just as durable (w/ all updates) and be MUCH # quieter. # # But then again, the 6.2/6.5 platform was at least made in the right country, # and they surely are cheaper to get hands on than the 3.5s professionally # rebuilt. # # And there is a lot of room under the hood...... # # OK, go for it. Put a 6.x GM engine in it. I'll still buy it from you when you # finish it in 2016. 8^) # # J # # -- john wrote: # I wouldn't bother with a 3.5L # # :) # # maybe a 6.2L Diesel... or a 6.5L Turbo Diesel... ;) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # OK, OK, not an OM617, then; how about a professionally-rebuilt, # fully-updated # # 3.5l turbo out of the '90-'91 S-class? It's quiet, very powerful, and # diesel. # # # # Happy compromise? # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # I think putting a Diesel into something like this would be just wrong... # # # # a nice flathead, or low compression engine is what they need... :) nice # # smooth, quiet floating boats.. # # # # john # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # # # OOOH! Very pretty! Good thing it's a long way away from me! # # # # # # Now John, go to the junkyard, lift the drivetrain out of a 300D Turbo # or # # # 300SD, and plant it in the Chrysler. Then you'll have a nice diesel # classic # # to # # # sell to me! # # # # # # (After all, by the time you get the drivetrain in and functional, it'll # be # # # 2016! I know I'll be able to afford it by then! Ha!) # # # # # # Actually, it might be fun to have something like that to fool with # making # # # pretty. And most of these that you see running around DON'T have the # # original # # # drivetrain. They would be too thirsty and fussy if they did. I'd love # to # # hear # # # an OM617 klatter emanating from that beauty! Oooooh YEAH! # # # # # # J # # # # # # -- john wrote: # # # a couple of vehicles crossed my path.... # # # # # # 1) a 1953 Chyrsler New Yorker in Tacoma, WA for $450... no engine. # # # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/53-ny-1.jpg # # # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/53-ny-2.jpg # # # # # # email with owner below... (and his email) # # # # # # 2) my neighbor's '94 Cherokee with a knocking engine... cheap... # pictures # # # coming. # # # # # # ----- # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # # # # ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # # # From: Tim springer # # # # # # John, # # # I pulled the hemi out of it last week and it is going to go into a hot # rod # # # project in the next couple of years. # # # # # # Scrap for the car is $300 plus. Scrap metal prices are very high at # this # # # time due to supply and demand from China. # # # # # # Thanks for looking. # # # # # # Tim # # # # # # # # # # # # # # John, # # # # # I have pictures at my home office that I will send tonight before # # # # # 6:00pm. # # # # # Tim # # # # # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # # # # # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # # # # # Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:14 PM # # # # # To: sale-706655360-at-craigslist.org # # # # # Subject: 1953 New Yorker # # # # # # # # # # ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY # # # # # ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home # # # # # ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping # # # # # ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html # # # # # # # # # # any pictures? # # # # # # # # # # thanx, # # # # # john # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 1953 Chrysler New Yorker - $450 (Tacoma) Reply to: # # # # # sale-706655360-at-craigslist.org # # # # # Date: 2008-06-03, 3:40PM PDT # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 1953 Chrysler New Yorker # # # # # 43,000 orignal miles with no engine. # # # # # Body is great shape with all trim pieces and glass except drivers # # and # # # # # passager door glass. Interior all original and accounted for. # # # # # Car goes to recycler at the end of the week! # # # # # 253-752-6553 # # # # # # # # # # * Location: Tacoma # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:15:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: 1953 New Yorker and a '94 XJ with that much mass it would be a deer vaporizer... don't know anything about all those other Diesels... yet. familar with the 6.2, comfortable with it... this is my third one and haven't had any trouble with them... not the most efficient (although 23.75 mpg might say otherwise), not the most powerful, not the quietest... etc. etc. but it works. and I'm happy. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Hey, while you're at it, just put a 6.9 or 7.3 turbo in it. Go for broke on # displacement and get max HP and torque out of that bad boy. Those were both # good heavy-hitters. I borrowed a full-ton, crew-cab, long-bed truck w/ a 7.3 # non-turbo in it, and that thing was astonishingly fast empty. I can only # imagine a 7.3 turbo in that car! Whoooooo! # # OK, then it's settled. # # Of course, all this mixing of brands could anger the teutonic gods......and # the thing could blow up or be a deer magnet....... # # But well worth a try! # # J # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # Why??! They're big, noisy, and clunky. The 3.5 would be almost as powerful, # probably more efficient, just as durable (w/ all updates) and be MUCH # quieter. # # But then again, the 6.2/6.5 platform was at least made in the right country, # and they surely are cheaper to get hands on than the 3.5s professionally # rebuilt. # # And there is a lot of room under the hood...... # # OK, go for it. Put a 6.x GM engine in it. I'll still buy it from you when you # finish it in 2016. 8^) # # J # # -- john wrote: # I wouldn't bother with a 3.5L # # :) # # maybe a 6.2L Diesel... or a 6.5L Turbo Diesel... ;) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # OK, OK, not an OM617, then; how about a professionally-rebuilt, # fully-updated # # 3.5l turbo out of the '90-'91 S-class? It's quiet, very powerful, and # diesel. # # # # Happy compromise? # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # I think putting a Diesel into something like this would be just wrong... # # # # a nice flathead, or low compression engine is what they need... :) nice # # smooth, quiet floating boats.. # # # # john # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # # # OOOH! Very pretty! Good thing it's a long way away from me! # # # # # # Now John, go to the junkyard, lift the drivetrain out of a 300D Turbo # or # # # 300SD, and plant it in the Chrysler. Then you'll have a nice diesel # classic # # to # # # sell to me! # # # # # # (After all, by the time you get the drivetrain in and functional, it'll # be # # # 2016! I know I'll be able to afford it by then! Ha!) # # # # # # Actually, it might be fun to have something like that to fool with # making # # # pretty. And most of these that you see running around DON'T have the # # original # # # drivetrain. They would be too thirsty and fussy if they did. I'd love # to # # hear # # # an OM617 klatter emanating from that beauty! Oooooh YEAH! # # # # # # J # # # # # # -- john wrote: # # # a couple of vehicles crossed my path.... # # # # # # 1) a 1953 Chyrsler New Yorker in Tacoma, WA for $450... no engine. # # # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/53-ny-1.jpg # # # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/53-ny-2.jpg # # # # # # email with owner below... (and his email) # # # # # # 2) my neighbor's '94 Cherokee with a knocking engine... cheap... # pictures # # # coming. # # # # # # ----- # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # # # # ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # # # From: Tim springer # # # # # # John, # # # I pulled the hemi out of it last week and it is going to go into a hot # rod # # # project in the next couple of years. # # # # # # Scrap for the car is $300 plus. Scrap metal prices are very high at # this # # # time due to supply and demand from China. # # # # # # Thanks for looking. # # # # # # Tim # # # # # # # # # # # # # # John, # # # # # I have pictures at my home office that I will send tonight before # # # # # 6:00pm. # # # # # Tim # # # # # # # # # # -----Original Message----- # # # # # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # # # # # Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:14 PM # # # # # To: sale-706655360-at-craigslist.org # # # # # Subject: 1953 New Yorker # # # # # # # # # # ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY # # # # # ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home # # # # # ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping # # # # # ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html # # # # # # # # # # any pictures? # # # # # # # # # # thanx, # # # # # john # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 1953 Chrysler New Yorker - $450 (Tacoma) Reply to: # # # # # sale-706655360-at-craigslist.org # # # # # Date: 2008-06-03, 3:40PM PDT # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 1953 Chrysler New Yorker # # # # # 43,000 orignal miles with no engine. # # # # # Body is great shape with all trim pieces and glass except drivers # # and # # # # # passager door glass. Interior all original and accounted for. # # # # # Car goes to recycler at the end of the week! # # # # # 253-752-6553 # # # # # # # # # # * Location: Tacoma # # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] "fine" adjustments got my a/c charged up today... (not that we need it at 50 degrees and raining...) still have one wire not working... it goes under the rats nest called the dashboard... to a thing called an a/c control module... now, there is hope that Rube Goldberg wasn't recruited from the Mercedes Engineering team and that this "module" is the switch that controls such things as vacuum for the flappers and such... all mechanical... Anyway, when I turn to the right or while braking I can hear the pulley rubbing on the inner fender... not a nice sound... was going to find a shorter belt... actually tried, several trips to napa... never could find one... so I got home tonight, found my 4 foot breaker bar... :) yep... whack, whack... look ma, plenty of clearance now... no need to use a "non-standard" belt. :) I love my Jeep. remember kids, real jeeps are built, not bought... but if I could buy one the way I want it, and afford it... I would. :) soon as it gets warm enough for a/c to actually work, I'll find out why there's no juice to that wire. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] xj: diesel Jeep kits (fwd) No, but that link that you passed along had mention of a guy who was putting 4bt's into Jeeps. Just curious... Jim - --- john wrote: > the 2.8CRD isn't a 4bt... > > don't recall either of those threads suggesting that > one. > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # I thought we've discussed this before and the 4BT > # series of engines is way to heavy for a CJ or XJ > style > # Jeep. No? > # > # Jim > # > # > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-CUMMINS-4BT-4-5-LITER-DIESEL-ENGINE-100-HP-2200_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ005QQitemZ150252125909QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW > # > # --- john wrote: > # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > # > From: Jim Blair > # > > # > > # > http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530848 > # > > # > http://blogs.4wdandsportutility.com/6232286/editorials/diesel-jeep-swap-kit/index.html > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] xj: diesel Jeep kits (fwd) I don't see why it couldn't be done, there is a frame to work with... one might have to upgrade the axle or springs a bit. the only reason I had to add lift was because my stock springs sagged so badly. negative arch before the swap. anyone know what a 4bt weighs? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # No, but that link that you passed along had mention # of a guy who was putting 4bt's into Jeeps. Just # curious... # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > the 2.8CRD isn't a 4bt... # > # > don't recall either of those threads suggesting that # > one. # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # I thought we've discussed this before and the 4BT # > # series of engines is way to heavy for a CJ or XJ # > style # > # Jeep. No? # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # # > # http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-CUMMINS-4BT-4-5-LITER-DIESEL-ENGINE-100-HP-2200_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ005QQitemZ150252125909QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW # > # # > # --- john wrote: # > # # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > # > From: Jim Blair # > # > # > # > # > # # > # http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=530848 # > # > # > # # > # http://blogs.4wdandsportutility.com/6232286/editorials/diesel-jeep-swap-kit/index.html # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2778 **********************************