From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jun 7 21:53:35 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, June 8 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2781 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] air power RE: [db] air power Re: [db] air power Re: [db] air power RE: [db] air power Re: [db] air power [db] OT - jeep trailer Re: [db] air power [db] fuel cells in the air? Re: [db] "fine" adjustments Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:21:42 -0700 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] air power 8 lbs./gal. sounds like too high a figure to me...H2O is only 8.3 lbs./gal. Isn't diesel a bit lighter than that? Browsing the 'net it looks like the consensus is at around 7 lbs./gal. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (about to receive new crate engine) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:19 PM To: john Cc: Jerome Kaidor; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] air power On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 03:45:08PM -0700, john wrote: > actually if my '91 Grand Wagoneer can carry 40 gallons, why > couldn't a smaller car carry 30? Because they're not half ton trucks? 8 pounds per gallon, don't forget. > most 123/124 and 126 series mercedes have provisions for a second > tank... that would give them nearly 40 gallons as well... right? I think the 115/123 long range tank was an extra 14-16 gallons, can't remember. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: RE: [db] air power > 8 lbs./gal. sounds like too high a figure to me...H2O is only 8.3 > lbs./gal. > Isn't diesel a bit lighter than that? > > Browsing the 'net it looks like the consensus is at around 7 lbs./gal. *** And avgas weighs 6 pounds per gallon. An important number for pilots, who must ask the question: "If I fill it full enough to get where I'm going, will she lift off?" - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] air power don't be so hard on yourself... you're still young... the list of missed opportunities, shoulda-coulda, near misses and other missteps-sidesteps and generally stepping in it will continue to grow... but do not despair... just remember Harlan Sanders... it wasn't until his first social security check that he was able to do something amazing... to think back over the last 40 years or so and consider what would have happened if I'd turned left or right, did this or that... and you just don't know... all we have is the present... and some might consider that I'm wasting it on the internet/email... ;) :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # DUDE! # # I HATE MY LIFE! # # I thought of that a few years ago! # # Well, so far nobody's shown my specific concept for a diesel-compressed air # hybrid. Maybe I should patent it before someone else does! It seems that # people are thinking in that direction! # # Of course, it would be good if I could actually build one.....but, no shop, no # money, no time.........I HATE MY LIFE! # # J # # -- john wrote: # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 # # a hybrid setup with a small Diesel would be very practical... # # the 2nd engine they mention is a wankel, but I don't recall # if they called it that... # # If I can get 24 mpg out of a 5,600lb Grand Wagoneer with # an inefficient 6.2L Diesel, image what you could do with # a turbo Diesel and this setup! # # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:38:57 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] air power Yes, I know. John, maybe we should work together and make it happen. Then we split the profits. ??? We'd need a small car w/ a v-6 engine, preferably a manual transmission, and - ------------------------------------------- (I'll tell you personally if you're interested. I don't want to give away anything proprietary.) J - -- john wrote: don't be so hard on yourself... you're still young... the list of missed opportunities, shoulda-coulda, near misses and other missteps-sidesteps and generally stepping in it will continue to grow... but do not despair... just remember Harlan Sanders... it wasn't until his first social security check that he was able to do something amazing... to think back over the last 40 years or so and consider what would have happened if I'd turned left or right, did this or that... and you just don't know... all we have is the present... and some might consider that I'm wasting it on the internet/email... ;) :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # DUDE! # # I HATE MY LIFE! # # I thought of that a few years ago! # # Well, so far nobody's shown my specific concept for a diesel-compressed air # hybrid. Maybe I should patent it before someone else does! It seems that # people are thinking in that direction! # # Of course, it would be good if I could actually build one.....but, no shop, no # money, no time.........I HATE MY LIFE! # # J # # -- john wrote: # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 # # a hybrid setup with a small Diesel would be very practical... # # the 2nd engine they mention is a wankel, but I don't recall # if they called it that... # # If I can get 24 mpg out of a 5,600lb Grand Wagoneer with # an inefficient 6.2L Diesel, image what you could do with # a turbo Diesel and this setup! # # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] air power I concur on the weight... looked into it when calculating something a while ago... 7 lbs for Diesel and veggie oil if I recall correctly... they sell those 4.6 gallon cubies as 35lbs. guess that works out to 7.6lbs... oh well... close enough for those of us on the ground... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > 8 lbs./gal. sounds like too high a figure to me...H2O is only 8.3 # > lbs./gal. # > Isn't diesel a bit lighter than that? # > # > Browsing the 'net it looks like the consensus is at around 7 lbs./gal. # # *** And avgas weighs 6 pounds per gallon. An important number for # pilots, who must ask the question: "If I fill it full enough # to get where I'm going, will she lift off?" # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] air power my project plate is overflowing... but thanx for the offer... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Yes, I know. # # John, maybe we should work together and make it happen. Then we split the # profits. # # ??? # # We'd need a small car w/ a v-6 engine, preferably a manual transmission, and # ------------------------------------------- (I'll tell you personally if # you're interested. I don't want to give away anything proprietary.) # # J # # -- john wrote: # don't be so hard on yourself... you're still young... # the list of missed opportunities, shoulda-coulda, near misses # and other missteps-sidesteps and generally stepping in it will # continue to grow... but do not despair... just remember # Harlan Sanders... it wasn't until his first social security # check that he was able to do something amazing... # # to think back over the last 40 years or so and consider what would have # happened if I'd turned left or right, did this or that... and you just # don't know... # # all we have is the present... and some might consider that I'm wasting # it on the internet/email... ;) # # :) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # DUDE! # # # # I HATE MY LIFE! # # # # I thought of that a few years ago! # # # # Well, so far nobody's shown my specific concept for a diesel-compressed # air # # hybrid. Maybe I should patent it before someone else does! It seems that # # people are thinking in that direction! # # # # Of course, it would be good if I could actually build one.....but, no shop, # no # # money, no time.........I HATE MY LIFE! # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 # # # # a hybrid setup with a small Diesel would be very practical... # # # # the 2nd engine they mention is a wankel, but I don't recall # # if they called it that... # # # # If I can get 24 mpg out of a 5,600lb Grand Wagoneer with # # an inefficient 6.2L Diesel, image what you could do with # # a turbo Diesel and this setup! # # # # john # # # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT - jeep trailer sharing... Found a Bantam Jeep Trailer T3-C. It's a couple hundred miles away from me and needs some work but looks pretty solid. The owner sent some pictures and since I've decided I really don't need another jeep or trailer that I'd pass this along... here's the craigslist ad: http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/708889900.html and here's the pictures he sent: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/t3/all.html images sized http://wagoneers.com/tmp/t3/ALL.html large images http://wagoneers.com/tmp/t3/ all images individually # > As I just have listed the trailer I could use any help with getting the word out; # > Thanks again, Tom # > To: thomfbell at hotmail.com # > Jeep trailer - $500 (naselle wa) # > Reply to: sale-708889900-at-craigslist.org # > Date: 2008-06-05, 1:40PM PDT # > Bantam Jeep Trailer [t3c]post war [1946-1953] # > 360-484-3662 Hope this helps Tom. :) Nice chatting with you. (fwiw, here's a picture of my J10 trailer in use: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-20-Omega-n-trailer/P1040083.jpg ) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:24:38 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] air power Eh, it's an old school rule of thumb, which works as long as you're not talking about aviation or flotation. Generally, figure a pint is a pound and it'll get you in the ballpark. On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 09:21:42AM -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > 8 lbs./gal. sounds like too high a figure to me...H2O is only 8.3 lbs./gal. > Isn't diesel a bit lighter than that? > > Browsing the 'net it looks like the consensus is at around 7 lbs./gal. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] fuel cells in the air? Boeing makes history with flights of Fuel Cell Demonstrator Airplane: http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/ts_sf04.pdf ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] "fine" adjustments thanx... confirms our thoughts, appreciate the feedback. btw, my wife has been driving my benz... 31.1 mpg... the best I do around here is about 28. ;) also found Diesel for "only" 4.87!!! filled up... (most places around here it's 4.95-4.99) oh, chuck, have another 5 gallons from my teriyaki place... better take it out of the trunk. :) you may need to bring your pickup... I don't think what is here will fit on my rear carrier at this point... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Tanaka makes great stuff according to one of my friends who works on yard # machinery. No idea on value. Call him, if you like. (540) 342-6999 His name is # Danny. He'll shoot straight with you. # # J # # -- john wrote: # it was almost 50 degrees here... I'm wearing a nice warm sweatshirt, # wife has had the heater on today in the house, and at max in the jeep # when we went to town... # # btw, does anyone know if a Tanaka TLE 600 edger is any good? we need one... # things are growing like crazy... ;) what are they worth? # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Marc Z wrote: # # # It was nice to have the a/c in my '83 300TD today. Yesterday, it was the # '89 # # XJ without. It has been humid and mid to upper 90s here in NC. # # # # I found 3/8" heater hose at Carquest Auto Parts. NAPA didn't have it, nor # did # # AutoZone. I may go back to get the rest. This was for the fuel heater # # device on my '83 300TD. # # # # Marc Z. # # # # john wrote: # # > got my a/c charged up today... (not that we need it at 50 degrees and # # > raining...) # # > # # > still have one wire not working... it goes under the rats nest # # > called the dashboard... to a thing called an a/c control module... now, # # > there is hope that Rube Goldberg wasn't recruited from the Mercedes # # > Engineering team and that this "module" is the switch that controls # # > such things as vacuum for the flappers and such... all mechanical... # # > # # > Anyway, when I turn to the right or while braking I can hear the # # > pulley rubbing on the inner fender... not a nice sound... # # > # # > was going to find a shorter belt... actually tried, several trips # # > to napa... never could find one... # # > # # > so I got home tonight, # # > found my 4 foot breaker bar... :) # # > # # > yep... whack, whack... look ma, plenty of clearance now... no # # > need to use a "non-standard" belt. :) # # > # # > I love my Jeep. # # > # # > remember kids, real jeeps are built, not bought... # # > # # > but if I could buy one the way I want it, and afford it... I would. :) # # > # # > soon as it gets warm enough for a/c to actually work, I'll find out # # > why there's no juice to that wire. :) # # > # # > john # # > # # > ----- # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2781 **********************************