From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 24 10:16:36 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 24 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2794 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: fsj: wjs, trailers, towing capacity of a 300D? Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: fsj: wjs, trailers, towing capacity of a 300D? they're about 1200-1400 in Idaho, nicely redone... clean... pintle setup though... found a rough civy version for about 500... needs a lot of help, he put 14" tires on it... has some surface rust... been sitting in his garage since 1964... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, michel balea wrote: # # bantam trailers: seems like a good option, I looked for one to transport the off-road bikes but a weenie bit too short, the best deals are North, on the south west asking is usually $1200-1800. # # I trailered an M102, shortened all around w 16" wheel... very nice off-road... a bit heavy especially w the 2.67 gearing and going up donner pass. # # There are a few good groups which i lost the bookmarks after swapping OS from XP 2 Linux, it is somewhere on the back up disk. # # a yahoo group is a M101 and the other is a military/toy civilian board w all the goodies for sale. # # Michel # # > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:40:08 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: wjs, trailers, towing capacity of a 300D? # > # > the WJs are fantastic... chrysler really screwed up with the WK. # > # > looking for a pair of tan heated leather seats out of a Limited WJ - 99-04... # > # > I've towed around 8K behind my wj... 2,000lb trailer with 2+ yards of gravel... # > it has surge brakes, but they're broke. :) Towed the panel # > and the grand wag behind the WJ... had the panel a bit too far back # > on a very large equipment trailer, it was a little spooky... the grand # > wag was on a uhaul car trailer, better distribution, felt much better. # > # > thinking of getting an old bantam trailer for hauling wvo around... I'm # > wondering what my '91 300D is capable of towing... those old bantams are around # > 600lbs empty... found a whole nest of them at MM 3 on I-84 at the Idaho Motor Pool. # > they want too much for them though. :) # > # > john # > snohomish, wa # > 91 grand wag 6.2 - DD 16/24 # > 91 300D 2.5L TD - wife is driving 30/35+ # > 99 wj laredo 4.7 - interstate cruiser/family snow machine 15/~20 # > 83 j10 no engine right now - had 4.2 ~15-17 # > 75 j10 -hydraulic dump trailer # > 67 j100 panel - holding for son's graduation from college (he actually started!) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # > # > # My wife won't part with hers either, unless it's for a Mini. I've been # > # trying to get my wife to trade the WJ in for a 7.3L Excursion, but she # > # doesn't want anything to do with it. # > # # > # I've been hauling a 6K lb trailer on the weekends with the WJ for the last # > # few months. I've put trailer brakes, and air bags in it. It works, but it # > # still sways a bit. # > # # > # Joe Hughes # > # Everett, WA # > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:45 AM # > # To: Jim Hoffman # > # Cc: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net # > # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? # > # # > # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the # > # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? # > # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires # > # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... # > # but still, that's horrible... # > # # > # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand # > # cherokee (wj)... # > # # > # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll # > # only be my grand wag that goes... # > # # > # the adventure continues... # > # # > # ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # # > # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # # > # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. # > # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 # > # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! # > # # # > # # Or get a Cummins! # > # # # > # # ;) # > # # # > # # Jim # > # # # > # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke # > # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 # > # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not # > # # recommending # > # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher # > # # concentrations # > # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen # > # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. # > # # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! # http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? Hmmm.... Frame of spaghetti, eh? Does my transmission count as part of the frame? ;) If not I would object to that description. I think it's a very nice solid machine. Noisy? I don't even notice it. And aren't the SUPPOSED to be noisy?!?! That's part of their "charm"!! ;) Jim - --- john wrote: > the dodge pickups are best described by one test > report: > > a bullet proof engine attached to a frame made of > spagetti. > > but then there is my test drive to Mt.Vernon: > > My neighbor has a '97 I was considering... it isn't > a truck, it's > a freaking freight train... trying to turn that > thing was like > trying to berth the queen mary... coming off the > trestle heading > to north I-5 scared me... I turned the wheel and it > kept going straight... > I don't think it was understeering... it just wasn't > steering. :) > > turning it around required four flaggers and a > football field... > the ride was naseauting... > > so, yes, I have considered them... the engine is > very heavy, very > noisy, but one of the very best... > > my 6.2L Diesel is quite happy in my Grand > Wagoneer... just need to > dial in the fuel system setup so it works better... > change out > the motor mounts and deal with the chassis > vibrations... if I need > more power I could always adapt a banks setup. ;) > or swap in a 6.5, > but that doesn't seem like a good option considering > some of the feedback > I've gotten... the electronic fuel pump could be > replaced with a 6.2 > or the electronics could be moved away from the > engine... > > anyway... after looking at some of the options, the > F250 might not be > a bad solution for me, but if the mileage isn't good > in town I'm better > off with my Grand Wagoneer... and keeping the WJ > for the long trips... > and the 300D for local stuff... my wife is > consistently getting 30 mpg > in town with it, while I only get about 28... > > this morning I drove in slower... thinking about > ron's experience with > a lighter foot and a more relaxed pace... My > dream would be to > maintain about 18 mpg in town with the '91 Grand > Wagoneer... fortunately > have several sources of wvo now... :) Love my > Diesels... PTL and eat > your fries please... :) > > john > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: > > # Have you looked into a Cummins powered Dodge? > The bottom ends in those > # motors are bullet proof. The first gens are all > mechanical and it's not > # uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning some > screws on the pump. > # > # They're probably a little better MPG than the > 7.3L, but not much. > # > # Joe Hughes > # Everett, WA > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 > Cherokee chassis > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM > # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > # Cc: full size jeep list; > ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list > # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > # > # so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel > 4x4 > # would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? > # > # my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the > freeway... not > # much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get > at least 18 in > # town... > # > # the other unresolved issue with the ride > comfort... > # > # remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise > control cable bracket, > # engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... > maybe new carpeting... > # > # that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be > available, that > # might be handy for moving wvo around... need to > call the guy... > # > # would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with > maybe another > # 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? > # > # would a TDI be able to tow it? :) > # > # sounds like a possible solution to the oil > movement problem... :) > # > # appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are > fantastic. > # > # john > # > # ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > # # There's something wrong with his. He should be > getting more like > # 13/18-16/22 > # # city/freeway. Then again, his could be > suffering from a bad case of "lead > # foot > # # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the > fuel down FAST with your > # foot > # # on the floor. > # # > # # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO > AVOID the PowerChoke > # diesels. > # # They are fussy and expensive. The > pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much > # less > # # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated > version wasn't bad. I've > # driven > # # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with > one right now (moving....) > # and > # # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels > are. > # # > # # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making > that in the 80s. > # # > # # J > # # > # # -- john wrote: > # # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the > # # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? > # # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires > # # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... > # # but still, that's horrible... > # # > # # that and my wife refuses to part with the > grand > # # cherokee (wj)... > # # > # # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll > # # only be my grand wag that goes... > # # > === message truncated === ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? what year is yours? there are what? three generations? the old style, the mid 90s and then a newer design from about 99 and up... the later models might be better than what I read and drove... it's just that they're so long... if I could find a short box extended cab that wouldn't require a 2nd mortgage... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Hmmm.... Frame of spaghetti, eh? Does my # transmission # count as part of the frame? ;) If not I would # object to that description. I think it's a very nice # solid machine. Noisy? I don't even notice it. And # aren't the SUPPOSED to be noisy?!?! # # That's part of their "charm"!! # # ;) # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > the dodge pickups are best described by one test # > report: # > # > a bullet proof engine attached to a frame made of # > spagetti. # > # > but then there is my test drive to Mt.Vernon: # > # > My neighbor has a '97 I was considering... it isn't # > a truck, it's # > a freaking freight train... trying to turn that # > thing was like # > trying to berth the queen mary... coming off the # > trestle heading # > to north I-5 scared me... I turned the wheel and it # > kept going straight... # > I don't think it was understeering... it just wasn't # > steering. :) # > # > turning it around required four flaggers and a # > football field... # > the ride was naseauting... # > # > so, yes, I have considered them... the engine is # > very heavy, very # > noisy, but one of the very best... # > # > my 6.2L Diesel is quite happy in my Grand # > Wagoneer... just need to # > dial in the fuel system setup so it works better... # > change out # > the motor mounts and deal with the chassis # > vibrations... if I need # > more power I could always adapt a banks setup. ;) # > or swap in a 6.5, # > but that doesn't seem like a good option considering # > some of the feedback # > I've gotten... the electronic fuel pump could be # > replaced with a 6.2 # > or the electronics could be moved away from the # > engine... # > # > anyway... after looking at some of the options, the # > F250 might not be # > a bad solution for me, but if the mileage isn't good # > in town I'm better # > off with my Grand Wagoneer... and keeping the WJ # > for the long trips... # > and the 300D for local stuff... my wife is # > consistently getting 30 mpg # > in town with it, while I only get about 28... # > # > this morning I drove in slower... thinking about # > ron's experience with # > a lighter foot and a more relaxed pace... My # > dream would be to # > maintain about 18 mpg in town with the '91 Grand # > Wagoneer... fortunately # > have several sources of wvo now... :) Love my # > Diesels... PTL and eat # > your fries please... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # > # > # Have you looked into a Cummins powered Dodge? # > The bottom ends in those # > # motors are bullet proof. The first gens are all # > mechanical and it's not # > # uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning some # > screws on the pump. # > # # > # They're probably a little better MPG than the # > 7.3L, but not much. # > # # > # Joe Hughes # > # Everett, WA # > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 # > Cherokee chassis # > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM # > # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # > # Cc: full size jeep list; # > ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list # > # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? # > # # > # so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel # > 4x4 # > # would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? # > # # > # my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the # > freeway... not # > # much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get # > at least 18 in # > # town... # > # # > # the other unresolved issue with the ride # > comfort... # > # # > # remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise # > control cable bracket, # > # engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... # > maybe new carpeting... # > # # > # that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be # > available, that # > # might be handy for moving wvo around... need to # > call the guy... # > # # > # would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with # > maybe another # > # 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? # > # # > # would a TDI be able to tow it? :) # > # # > # sounds like a possible solution to the oil # > movement problem... :) # > # # > # appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are # > fantastic. # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # # > # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # # > # # There's something wrong with his. He should be # > getting more like # > # 13/18-16/22 # > # # city/freeway. Then again, his could be # > suffering from a bad case of "lead # > # foot # > # # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the # > fuel down FAST with your # > # foot # > # # on the floor. # > # # # > # # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO # > AVOID the PowerChoke # > # diesels. # > # # They are fussy and expensive. The # > pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much # > # less # > # # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated # > version wasn't bad. I've # > # driven # > # # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with # > one right now (moving....) # > # and # > # # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels # > are. # > # # # > # # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making # > that in the 80s. # > # # # > # # J # > # # # > # # -- john wrote: # > # # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the # > # # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? # > # # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires # > # # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... # > # # but still, that's horrible... # > # # # > # # that and my wife refuses to part with the # > grand # > # # cherokee (wj)... # > # # # > # # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll # > # # only be my grand wag that goes... # > # # # > # === message truncated === # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2794 **********************************