From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 24 14:53:59 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 24 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2795 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? [db] Re: ww.Toolhaus.org Re: [db] Gas Mileage Re: [db] Gas Mileage Re: [db] Gas Mileage Re: [db] Gas Mileage Re: [db] Gas Mileage Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? I have '99. I believe that is the first year of the 24 valve engines. Mine is a quadcab shortbox 4X4. probably just what you are looking for. 1st Gen (88 - 93) 2nd Gen (94 - 01) 3rd Gen (02 - 08) 4th Gen (09 - up) Great forums here: http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums Jim - --- john wrote: > what year is yours? > > there are what? three generations? the old style, > the mid 90s and then a newer design from about 99 > and up... > the later models might be better than what I read > and drove... > > it's just that they're so long... > > if I could find a short box extended cab that > wouldn't require a 2nd mortgage... > > john > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Hmmm.... Frame of spaghetti, eh? Does my > # transmission > # count as part of the frame? ;) If not I would > # object to that description. I think it's a very > nice > # solid machine. Noisy? I don't even notice it. > And > # aren't the SUPPOSED to be noisy?!?! > # > # That's part of their "charm"!! > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- john wrote: > # > # > the dodge pickups are best described by one > test > # > report: > # > > # > a bullet proof engine attached to a frame made > of > # > spagetti. > # > > # > but then there is my test drive to Mt.Vernon: > # > > # > My neighbor has a '97 I was considering... it > isn't > # > a truck, it's > # > a freaking freight train... trying to turn that > # > thing was like > # > trying to berth the queen mary... coming off > the > # > trestle heading > # > to north I-5 scared me... I turned the wheel > and it > # > kept going straight... > # > I don't think it was understeering... it just > wasn't > # > steering. :) > # > > # > turning it around required four flaggers and a > # > football field... > # > the ride was naseauting... > # > > # > so, yes, I have considered them... the engine > is > # > very heavy, very > # > noisy, but one of the very best... > # > > # > my 6.2L Diesel is quite happy in my Grand > # > Wagoneer... just need to > # > dial in the fuel system setup so it works > better... > # > change out > # > the motor mounts and deal with the chassis > # > vibrations... if I need > # > more power I could always adapt a banks setup. > ;) > # > or swap in a 6.5, > # > but that doesn't seem like a good option > considering > # > some of the feedback > # > I've gotten... the electronic fuel pump could > be > # > replaced with a 6.2 > # > or the electronics could be moved away from the > # > engine... > # > > # > anyway... after looking at some of the options, > the > # > F250 might not be > # > a bad solution for me, but if the mileage isn't > good > # > in town I'm better > # > off with my Grand Wagoneer... and keeping the > WJ > # > for the long trips... > # > and the 300D for local stuff... my wife is > # > consistently getting 30 mpg > # > in town with it, while I only get about 28... > # > > # > this morning I drove in slower... thinking > about > # > ron's experience with > # > a lighter foot and a more relaxed pace... My > # > dream would be to > # > maintain about 18 mpg in town with the '91 > Grand > # > Wagoneer... fortunately > # > have several sources of wvo now... :) Love my > # > Diesels... PTL and eat > # > your fries please... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > # > rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: > # > > # > # Have you looked into a Cummins powered > Dodge? > # > The bottom ends in those > # > # motors are bullet proof. The first gens are > all > # > mechanical and it's not > # > # uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning > some > # > screws on the pump. > # > # > # > # They're probably a little better MPG than > the > # > 7.3L, but not much. > # > # > # > # Joe Hughes > # > # Everett, WA > # > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 > # > Cherokee chassis > # > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > # > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > # > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > # > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM > # > # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > # > # Cc: full size jeep list; > # > ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list > # > # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > # > # > # > # so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 > Diesel > # > 4x4 > # > # would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and > Diesel? > # > # > # > # my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on > the > # > freeway... not > # > # much sense in moving to an F250 if it > doesn't get > # > at least 18 in > # > # town... > # > # > # > # the other unresolved issue with the ride > # > comfort... > # > # > # > # remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, > cruise > # > control cable bracket, > # > # engine vibration reduction via stock > mounts... > # > maybe new carpeting... > # > # > # > # that little bantam jeep trailer seems to > still be > # > available, that > === message truncated === ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? is there a place where they have all the specs like wheelbase, width, etc? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # I have '99. I believe that is the first year of the # 24 valve engines. Mine is a quadcab shortbox 4X4. # probably just what you are looking for. # # 1st Gen (88 - 93) # 2nd Gen (94 - 01) # 3rd Gen (02 - 08) # 4th Gen (09 - up) # # Great forums here: http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > what year is yours? # > # > there are what? three generations? the old style, # > the mid 90s and then a newer design from about 99 # > and up... # > the later models might be better than what I read # > and drove... # > # > it's just that they're so long... # > # > if I could find a short box extended cab that # > wouldn't require a 2nd mortgage... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Hmmm.... Frame of spaghetti, eh? Does my # > # transmission # > # count as part of the frame? ;) If not I would # > # object to that description. I think it's a very # > nice # > # solid machine. Noisy? I don't even notice it. # > And # > # aren't the SUPPOSED to be noisy?!?! # > # # > # That's part of their "charm"!! # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- john wrote: # > # # > # > the dodge pickups are best described by one # > test # > # > report: # > # > # > # > a bullet proof engine attached to a frame made # > of # > # > spagetti. # > # > # > # > but then there is my test drive to Mt.Vernon: # > # > # > # > My neighbor has a '97 I was considering... it # > isn't # > # > a truck, it's # > # > a freaking freight train... trying to turn that # > # > thing was like # > # > trying to berth the queen mary... coming off # > the # > # > trestle heading # > # > to north I-5 scared me... I turned the wheel # > and it # > # > kept going straight... # > # > I don't think it was understeering... it just # > wasn't # > # > steering. :) # > # > # > # > turning it around required four flaggers and a # > # > football field... # > # > the ride was naseauting... # > # > # > # > so, yes, I have considered them... the engine # > is # > # > very heavy, very # > # > noisy, but one of the very best... # > # > # > # > my 6.2L Diesel is quite happy in my Grand # > # > Wagoneer... just need to # > # > dial in the fuel system setup so it works # > better... # > # > change out # > # > the motor mounts and deal with the chassis # > # > vibrations... if I need # > # > more power I could always adapt a banks setup. # > ;) # > # > or swap in a 6.5, # > # > but that doesn't seem like a good option # > considering # > # > some of the feedback # > # > I've gotten... the electronic fuel pump could # > be # > # > replaced with a 6.2 # > # > or the electronics could be moved away from the # > # > engine... # > # > # > # > anyway... after looking at some of the options, # > the # > # > F250 might not be # > # > a bad solution for me, but if the mileage isn't # > good # > # > in town I'm better # > # > off with my Grand Wagoneer... and keeping the # > WJ # > # > for the long trips... # > # > and the 300D for local stuff... my wife is # > # > consistently getting 30 mpg # > # > in town with it, while I only get about 28... # > # > # > # > this morning I drove in slower... thinking # > about # > # > ron's experience with # > # > a lighter foot and a more relaxed pace... My # > # > dream would be to # > # > maintain about 18 mpg in town with the '91 # > Grand # > # > Wagoneer... fortunately # > # > have several sources of wvo now... :) Love my # > # > Diesels... PTL and eat # > # > your fries please... :) # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't # > # > rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # > # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # > # > # > # > # Have you looked into a Cummins powered # > Dodge? # > # > The bottom ends in those # > # > # motors are bullet proof. The first gens are # > all # > # > mechanical and it's not # > # > # uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning # > some # > # > screws on the pump. # > # > # # > # > # They're probably a little better MPG than # > the # > # > 7.3L, but not much. # > # > # # > # > # Joe Hughes # > # > # Everett, WA # > # > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 # > # > Cherokee chassis # > # > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # > # > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # > # > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # > # > # # > # > # -----Original Message----- # > # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # > # > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # > # > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM # > # > # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # > # > # Cc: full size jeep list; # > # > ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list # > # > # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? # > # > # # > # > # so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 # > Diesel # > # > 4x4 # > # > # would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and # > Diesel? # > # > # # > # > # my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on # > the # > # > freeway... not # > # > # much sense in moving to an F250 if it # > doesn't get # > # > at least 18 in # > # > # town... # > # > # # > # > # the other unresolved issue with the ride # > # > comfort... # > # > # # > # > # remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, # > cruise # > # > control cable bracket, # > # > # engine vibration reduction via stock # > mounts... # > # > maybe new carpeting... # > # > # # > # > # that little bantam jeep trailer seems to # > still be # > # > available, that # > # === message truncated === # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:20:29 -0400 From: Wiard Pless Subject: [db] Re: ww.Toolhaus.org useful tool to check out ebay seller/buyer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:52:50 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Gas Mileage Not to pick on or single out John, but this does point out a funny thing about a good percentage of us in the states. Someone once said war was God's way of teaching americans geography. Unfortunately, there's some truth to that. John, Paraguay is one of two landlocked countries in South America, and shares borders with Argentina, Brazil, and Bolivia. His old tagline makes reference to living on the bank of the paraguay river, which travels north-south from brazil into argentina, almost bisecting the country. He'll have to narrow it down more than that. I certainly recommend a trip to south america. Beautiful place, and some of the most friendly people you'll meet. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 08:07:33AM -0700, john wrote: > I think all of us wish we were closer so we could have at least come over > and visited with you... I'm not even sure where Paraguay is exactly or > how I would get there... :( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Gas Mileage I would like to get down to Chile, Puerto Mont is a place I've heard about that sounds nice. One of my friends moved back to Argentina. Haven't been any further south than Mexico... only been to 22 countries, mostly in Europe... Canada, US of course, and Japan... enjoyed all the travels. I am amazed when I see pictures from south america and realize its mix of modern and ancient... its wealth and its poverty... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Kevin wrote: # Not to pick on or single out John, but this does point out a funny thing # about a good percentage of us in the states. Someone once said war was God's # way of teaching americans geography. Unfortunately, there's some truth to # that. # # John, Paraguay is one of two landlocked countries in South America, and shares # borders with Argentina, Brazil, and Bolivia. His old tagline makes reference # to living on the bank of the paraguay river, which travels north-south # from brazil into argentina, almost bisecting the country. He'll have to # narrow it down more than that. # # I certainly recommend a trip to south america. Beautiful place, and some of # the most friendly people you'll meet. # # On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 08:07:33AM -0700, john wrote: # > I think all of us wish we were closer so we could have at least come over # > and visited with you... I'm not even sure where Paraguay is exactly or # > how I would get there... :( # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:34:42 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] Gas Mileage On Tuesday 24 June 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Kevin who wrote: > He'll have to narrow it down more than that. A quick look at my web-site would tell you exactly where to aim your cruise missile (GPS coordinates included ;-3) Cheers, Ron. - -- Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may diet. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Gas Mileage so, are you the lone piper? http://www.aikidoparaguay.org/piper.html :) the link points your way... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # On Tuesday 24 June 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # from Kevin who wrote: # # > He'll have to narrow it down more than that. # # A quick look at my web-site would tell you exactly where to aim your cruise # missile (GPS coordinates included ;-3) # # Cheers, # # Ron. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:51:04 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] Gas Mileage On Tuesday 24 June 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive from john who wrote: > so, are you the lone piper? I am he, I'm afraid. The best in the country, since the nearest other ones are in Buenos Aires, in the Argentine, or in Montevideo, in Uruguay, over 1000 kilometres away. Cheers, Ron. - -- Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may diet. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2795 **********************************