From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jul 16 20:15:23 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, July 17 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2819 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors [db] Shifter follies.. Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... [db] manual linkage? Re: [db] Shifter follies.. Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... [db] manual 240D salvage Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors I've lost one on my 190D... losing 25% of your power is devastating with a 2.2L I-4. :) bending the line may not be a viable option, at least on the lines I've played with, they're pretty stiff... and will crack easily... question I have is maintaining the pressure in that line a good idea for the pump? If the injector fails there are the return lines right there to dissipate the fuel... thoughts? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: # Recently picked up from a mechanic foll. tip: # # If one of the metal fuel lines, to be found on the slightly new diesel MBs, # running between the injector pump and injectors should break when you are on # the road just hammer it flat and bend it over and at least you can make it # home. These thin lines to be found in a W201, W124 and other break at the # injectors if plastic clips securing them to the brackets are missing. # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:03:50 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: [db] Shifter follies.. Hi listers, I managed to lose reverse (in my driveway, lucky) in my 1980 240D, and when I started to investigate, I discovered that the shifter mechanism had snapped off at a thin point right below the shifter. It was too late to call my trusty Merc. Parts wrecker, and I am a bit fearful as to the availability, so I thought I would ask if anyone on the list (around Seattle) has a 123 manual shifter laying about. I haven't seen this failure before, I guess I can't really complain too much, since it has around 280,000 miles on it. Sorta ruined my evening for a minute, but I got the grill fired up and I am sure I will rebound. :) I just hope I don't get a ticket, since my back-up Scout has expired tabs (which I noticed this evening..Dang!) Well, I don't really expect to find one, but if lightning strikes and there is one around, great. Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:49:20 -0400 From: Wiard Pless Subject: Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors The mechanic who gave this advice has been trained by MB for several years and in his office a wall is full of certificates to confirm the training. Some years back MB sent the mechanics to Chicago for training. He also mentioned that flattening one fuel line will not hurt the pump. He just replaced the cyl head gasket on my car. Gasket was leaking oil at the rear right corner and I had also a creamy sludge in the coolant fluid. The head was planed, new exhaust valve guides and timing chain were installed at the time. Right now the engine is quite a bit noisier. PS the previous owner had the head gasket changed 10.000 miles ago but head was not machined. john wrote: > I've lost one on my 190D... losing 25% of your power is devastating with a 2.2L I-4. :) > > bending the line may not be a viable option, at least on the lines I've played with, > they're pretty stiff... and will crack easily... > > question I have is maintaining the pressure in that line a good idea for the pump? If > the injector fails there are the return lines right there to dissipate the fuel... > > thoughts? > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: > > # Recently picked up from a mechanic foll. tip: > # > # If one of the metal fuel lines, to be found on the slightly new diesel MBs, > # running between the injector pump and injectors should break when you are on > # the road just hammer it flat and bend it over and at least you can make it > # home. These thin lines to be found in a W201, W124 and other break at the > # injectors if plastic clips securing them to the brackets are missing. > # > # > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors I guress it makes sense, and a lot less mess... when you lose a cylinder with a gas engine you ground out the spark... to dissipate the charge on the coil... I guess it wouldn't hurt an IP to have pressure left after it's turn. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: # The mechanic who gave this advice has been trained by MB for several years # and in his office a wall is full of certificates to confirm the training. # Some years back MB sent the mechanics to Chicago for training. He also # mentioned that flattening one fuel line will # not hurt the pump. He just replaced the cyl head gasket on my car. Gasket was # leaking oil at the rear right corner and I had # also a creamy sludge in the coolant fluid. The head was planed, new exhaust # valve guides and timing chain were installed # at the time. Right now the engine is quite a bit noisier. # PS the previous owner had the head gasket changed 10.000 miles ago but head # was not machined. # # john wrote: # > I've lost one on my 190D... losing 25% of your power is devastating with a # > 2.2L I-4. :) # > # > bending the line may not be a viable option, at least on the lines I've # > played with, # > they're pretty stiff... and will crack easily... # > # > question I have is maintaining the pressure in that line a good idea for # > the pump? If # > the injector fails there are the return lines right there to dissipate the # > fuel... # > # > thoughts? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: # > # > # Recently picked up from a mechanic foll. tip: # > # # > # If one of the metal fuel lines, to be found on the slightly new diesel # > # MBs, # > # running between the injector pump and injectors should break when you are # > # on # > # the road just hammer it flat and bend it over and at least you can make # > # it # > # home. These thin lines to be found in a W201, W124 and other break at the # > # injectors if plastic clips securing them to the brackets are missing. # > # # > # # > # > # > No virus found in this incoming message. # > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: # > 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM # > # > # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:50:57 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Re: Metal fuel lines between injection pump and injectors us too in our 190D.. you should try loosing 25% of your power in a 2.0L I-4 NA !!! ;-) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:55 AM, john wrote: > I've lost one on my 190D... losing 25% of your power is devastating with a > 2.2L I-4. :) > > bending the line may not be a viable option, at least on the lines I've > played with, > they're pretty stiff... and will crack easily... > > question I have is maintaining the pressure in that line a good idea for > the pump? If > the injector fails there are the return lines right there to dissipate the > fuel... > > thoughts? > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: > > # Recently picked up from a mechanic foll. tip: > # > # If one of the metal fuel lines, to be found on the slightly new diesel > MBs, > # running between the injector pump and injectors should break when you > are on > # the road just hammer it flat and bend it over and at least you can make > it > # home. These thin lines to be found in a W201, W124 and other break at > the > # injectors if plastic clips securing them to the brackets are missing. > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... if you go with the audi/vw Diesel be careful, that engine has head issues... I think that's the same one they use in the volvos... you will affect economy with weight on a gas engine... on a diesel it doesn't seem to make as much difference... imagine getting 24 mpg with a 5,600lb Grand Wagoneer... I did it and still can't imagine it. ;) hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so I can run straight filtered WVO... I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... so I need a YAT that I can heat, and add YAS (yet another solenoid) to switch tanks. :) Adding a small, preferably 5 gallon tank under the hood solves a few problems, in town it'll give me about 45 miles, on the road over 80... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, john wrote: # biodiesel and wvo doesn't smell like Diesel, it's way better, # love the smell... it's like a bbq, steak dinner or other wonderful # aroma... depending on the source of the veggie oil. :) # # I may go out and start up Omega just to inhale... ;) working # from home today... # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # # # # I thought about getting another Wabbit, but I already have the DJ to bring up the fuel economy. The '82 Spirit currently averages 20-22 mpg on gasoline (it would probably be better if I could bring myself to NOT drive around with so much stuff in the back. IE: Tools, jack, spare tire, Jeep parts, etc) # # The diesel Rabbits are going for a big premium now. I COULD put a diesel VW/Audi motor into the DJ (since the Audi and VW share bellhousings) but the smell would kill me! # # LPG and a small turbo engine is the way to go. (That's what they are doing in Europe since the price of diesel is like $2 a gallon more than gas and LPG is even cheaper than gas) # # # # To: # # Jim Blair (carnuck-at-hotmail.com) # # you need a nice Rabbit Diesel pickup... :) 45 mpg... at least... # # # # on your commute a 6.2L Diesel would easily average 20 to 22 mpg... on # # veggie oil... or used motor oil... # # # # or maybe a nice Mercedes Diesel into one of your comanches... :) # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] manual linkage? Paul, manual linkage? http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/749205317.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Shifter follies.. Paul, try this: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/749205317.html too bad I don't have that little Willys for the left overs. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Paul Masterson wrote: # Hi listers, # I managed to lose reverse (in my driveway, lucky) in my 1980 240D, and when # I started to investigate, I discovered that the shifter mechanism had snapped # off at a thin point right below the shifter. It was too late to call my trusty # Merc. Parts wrecker, and I am a bit fearful as to the availability, so I # thought I would ask if anyone on the list (around Seattle) has a 123 manual # shifter laying about. # # I haven't seen this failure before, I guess I can't really complain too much, # since it has around 280,000 miles on it. # # Sorta ruined my evening for a minute, but I got the grill fired up and I am # sure I will rebound. :) I just hope I don't get a ticket, since my back-up # Scout has expired tabs (which I noticed this evening..Dang!) # # Well, I don't really expect to find one, but if lightning strikes and there is # one around, great. # # Paul. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:30:04 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so >I can run straight filtered WVO... I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very well. >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan to run on 100% VO. - --chuck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:40:36 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: [db] manual 240D salvage If anyone has access to a dead 240D engine, with manual trans, I can use the dashpot attached to the IP linkage. Mine is missing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... that does make it a lot simpler... problem is I'm running biodiesel in both tanks... with no immediate plans to go to the pump. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie # >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so # >I can run straight filtered WVO... # # I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost # signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. # # >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, # # That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and # settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very # well. # # # >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... # # Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty # well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months # you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In # the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around # here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. # # The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan # to run on 100% VO. # # --chuck # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2819 **********************************