From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jul 17 15:27:50 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, July 17 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2820 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? Re: [db] 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? Re: [db] Shifter follies.. [db] 240D on Seattle CL [db] IP 32 PT socket [db] adventures with cruise controls Re: [db] 240D on Seattle CL Re: [db] IP 32 PT socket Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:08:00 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? Actually, what should kill it is the electronically controlled injector pump that uses an oil pressure sender for ground or some nonsense like that. (you said 94, right?) Give Scott in Sac a call, the one that bought your 190D and ask him what it cost when the suburban started running poorly. He has a 6.5 suburban, guaranteed it's happened to him at least once. On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 01:25:33PM -0700, john wrote: > yep. > > but 16/19 mpg for the shoverolet kind of kills it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 6.5 in a stock vehicle, or 6.2 in a custom? I think I'm ok... :) replaced the glow plug controller (twice) tonight, connected the block heater... and we figured out how to use the GM cruise servo with the jeep controls... we hope. :) tomorrow, LW, the a/c will get fixed and I'll pick up a servo from the chevy dealer or a wrecking yard... the motor mounts are more complex than what I had hoped... need to find a good welder, actually, need to go and talk with one... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote: # Actually, what should kill it is the electronically controlled injector pump # that uses an oil pressure sender for ground or some nonsense like that. (you # said 94, right?) # # Give Scott in Sac a call, the one that bought your 190D and ask him what # it cost when the suburban started running poorly. He has a 6.5 suburban, # guaranteed it's happened to him at least once. # # On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 01:25:33PM -0700, john wrote: # > yep. # > # > but 16/19 mpg for the shoverolet kind of kills it... # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:24:36 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] Shifter follies.. I love the concept, but have too many current projects right now. I did find a shifter at Aurora Auto Wrecking, now after installing it, I get to reajust all the shift rods. Ran out of light tonight. Thanks for the thought though. Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Paul Masterson" Cc: "Diesel Benz" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [db] Shifter follies.. > Paul, > > try this: > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/749205317.html > > too bad I don't have that little Willys for the left overs. :) > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Paul Masterson wrote: > > # Hi listers, > # I managed to lose reverse (in my driveway, lucky) in my 1980 240D, and > when > # I started to investigate, I discovered that the shifter mechanism had > snapped > # off at a thin point right below the shifter. It was too late to call my > trusty > # Merc. Parts wrecker, and I am a bit fearful as to the availability, so I > # thought I would ask if anyone on the list (around Seattle) has a 123 > manual > # shifter laying about. > # > # I haven't seen this failure before, I guess I can't really complain too > much, > # since it has around 280,000 miles on it. > # > # Sorta ruined my evening for a minute, but I got the grill fired up and I > am > # sure I will rebound. :) I just hope I don't get a ticket, since my > back-up > # Scout has expired tabs (which I noticed this evening..Dang!) > # > # Well, I don't really expect to find one, but if lightning strikes and > there is > # one around, great. > # > # Paul. > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:41:58 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: [db] 240D on Seattle CL That is my old 240D on CL. It's at a friends shop, a block West of Dr. Dan's Biodiesel. So far I haven't had much luck trying to sell it. Cheers, Nick Subject: [db] IP 32 PT socket John, You mentioned that you replaced the o-rings on the HP side of the IP. Did you get the M0019 32pt socket to remove the nut or did you use other methods? I need to replace the o-rings and if you or anyone else in the Seattle area has one of those, I wouldn't mind borrowing it. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] adventures with cruise controls the continuing saga from the Snohomish Monster Carport... today's story brings us to the cruise control... (background: a GMC 6.2L "J" motor Diesel from 1983 3/4t 4x4 pickup was "inserted" into my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer... have the stock jeep wiring in place, and remnants of the GM cruise system... including computer and brake pedal. ;) ...last night we determined that it would "MIGHT" be easier to use the GM servo since it had the brackets and such for the 6.2L Diesel injection pump. So we ripped apart the servos (jeep and gm) and figured out the wiring... JEEP function GMC - ------------------------------------------------ orange GROUND Black dark red Accel Power Green white Decel Power Dark Blue Gray Potentiometer 1 Light Blue Tan Potentiometer 2 Tan Ok, no problem, we've got it figured out... so, called my favorite Chevy dealer with the part number from the deceased original GM servo... no longer available... ah, but there is one in Texas... for $227 and change... and shipping... hold the order... need to regroup... ...regrouping because I really don't know if the Jeep computer and controls will really work with that servo... we're morphing a GAS AMC system to a DIESEL GM system... I don't have a good feeling about interoperability, actually I have more confidence that we can make this work than I do in making Linux and Microsoft work together, but that's another story for another time... ;) So, that brings me to my trusty JC Whitney catalog... and looking at universal cruise controls... which lead me to an Audiovox universal kit: http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=341067&langId=-1 the manual for the Audiovox CCS-100 is at: http://site.brandsplace.com/audiovox.pdf (among other places) Problem is it has a tach input... I have no tach... not sure if it's needed or not... don't know if it'll work with a Diesel... the Diesel universals are 3 and 4 times the price... if there is one that doesn't require magnets on the driveshaft I don't mind spending the money if it works and is simple... I still could go with the stock Jeep cruise setup, but need a bracket to mount it to the Diesel... might be the best solution... however I think we cut the cables last night... no worries... have a soldering iron. :) and the cruise wasn't work with the original AMC 360... that's another concern... - ------------------------------------------------------- So, all this background brings me to you with THE QUESTIONS: 1) do you have a GM cruise servo for an '83 GMC 3/4T with a 6.2L Diesel 2) do you know of a universal cruise control that would work with the cruise switch (GM style) on the stalk of a '91 Grand Wagoneer... 3) do you have a good Grand Wagoneer servo (I think mine has a ruptured diaprahm) - ------------------------------------------------------- I have a soldering iron and a firm grasp of electronics... really do NOT want to attach magnets to my driveshaft(s). There is a speed sensor in the speedometer cable on the Jeep with two leads... ideas? parts? :) I think PLAN B at this point is to try to make the stock Jeep system work with the IP on the 6.2L Diesel... in other news, replaced the glow plug controller last night... actually works normally now! need to hook up my old test fuel gauge for the aux tank... the jeep is in a shop hopefully getting the a/c sorted out today... making progress... :) have the body control module and the seat module from a '99 WJ to make the heated leather WJ seats work... not a big priority for a few weeks... ;) thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 240D on Seattle CL it's your 240D? or was? :) would that 4spd hold up behind a 3.0L TD? my son has an '85 300D... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # That is my old 240D on CL. It's at a friends shop, a block West of Dr. # Dan's Biodiesel. So far I haven't had much luck trying to sell it. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # # # # # # # # # # Subject: Re: [db] IP 32 PT socket if it's in the pictures, yes: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ I can't tell... I'm not sure which tool box it will be in... suspect it might be in the 300d's trunk... I can look if reminded. ;) but if it's in the picture, I have it. :) you're welcome to borrow it if I haven't already loaned it out... I think I loaned it to Bruce and our mechanic, but I think it came back... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # You mentioned that you replaced the o-rings on the HP side # of the IP. Did you get the M0019 32pt socket to remove the nut or did # you use other methods? # # # # I need to replace the o-rings and if you or anyone else in # the Seattle area has one of those, I wouldn't mind borrowing it. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:58:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... have an idea... I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish Monster Carport? :) I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie # >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so # >I can run straight filtered WVO... # # I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost # signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. # # >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, # # That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and # settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very # well. # # # >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... # # Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty # well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months # you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In # the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around # here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. # # The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan # to run on 100% VO. # # --chuck # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:09:29 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... If it's ever less than completely full or completely empty, be sure to plan for the effects on handling when the contents slosh from side to side. ;-) Alec On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, john wrote: > have an idea... > > I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's > basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... > > If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with > coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections > I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, > which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few > gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard > so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) > > see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish > Monster Carport? :) > > I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure > the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG > > should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ > > if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: > > # >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie > # >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so > # >I can run straight filtered WVO... > # > # I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost > # signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. > # > # >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, > # > # That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and > # settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very > # well. > # > # > # >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... > # > # Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty > # well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months > # you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In > # the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around > # here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. > # > # The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan > # to run on 100% VO. > # > # --chuck > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... let's see... 5*7= 35 lbs... the CG is just above the center of the frame, around the bottom of the seats... plan on mounting this well below the CG... of a 5,600 lb vehicle... 35lbs is about 0.6% of the vehicle mass... and it's unlikely I'll hear the sloshing as there is a 6.2L NoiseMaker directly between me and the sloshing... :) :) we'll see... I'll see if I can mount it, and if it has enough space... it's pretty heavy... but it is giving me some ideas. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # If it's ever less than completely full or completely empty, be sure to # plan for the effects on handling when the contents slosh from side to # side. ;-) # # Alec # # # On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, john wrote: # > have an idea... # > # > I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's # > basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... # > # > If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with # > coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections # > I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, # > which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few # > gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard # > so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) # > # > see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish # > Monster Carport? :) # > # > I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure # > the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG # > # > should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ # > # > if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... ;) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # > # > # >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie # > # >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so # > # >I can run straight filtered WVO... # > # # > # I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost # > # signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. # > # # > # >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, # > # # > # That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and # > # settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very # > # well. # > # # > # # > # >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... # > # # > # Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty # > # well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months # > # you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In # > # the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around # > # here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. # > # # > # The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan # > # to run on 100% VO. # > # # > # --chuck # > # # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2820 **********************************