From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jul 18 13:01:24 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, July 18 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2821 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? Re: [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? Re: [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:14:04 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... John Put in a slosh barrier - make up some large "disks" from sheet steel about 1/8" narrower diameter than the ID of pipe, drill a hole in center of same and notch them around the periphery, then mount them on a jeep width less 1/2 nch threaded rod with nuts on each side (or spot weld to rod at even intervals) then insert this into the tube/bumper/storage tank/snow leveler and then cap the ends and plumb it. There you have a slosh barrier that will not allow the oil to suddenly swing side to side when cornering at 60MPH but will allow it to flow. Also suggest you make one end of the bumper about 1/4" lower than the other side by design when mounting so it will flow to that end. Of course this is moot if you part on a slope going the other way. Sounds like a neat solution to storage. Edward Alec Cordova wrote: > If it's ever less than completely full or completely empty, be sure to > plan for the effects on handling when the contents slosh from side to > side. ;-) > > Alec > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, john wrote: > >> have an idea... >> >> I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's >> basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... >> >> If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with >> coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections >> I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, >> which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few >> gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard >> so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) >> >> see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish >> Monster Carport? :) >> >> I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure >> the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG >> >> should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: >> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ >> >> if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... ;) >> >> john >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ >> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: >> >> # >hey, Jim, do you have any 3 to 5 gallon tanks I could use for veggie >> # >oil laying about? I need to add YetAnotherTank (YAT) to Omega so >> # >I can run straight filtered WVO... >> # >> # I know we talked on the phone about this (well... tried to while we both lost >> # signal!) but I still do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. >> # >> # >I can't mix wvo with biodiesel, >> # >> # That is true, as they just don't mix. The WVO will swiftly separate and >> # settle to the bottom of the tank. These two liquids just do not mix very >> # well. >> # >> # >> # >and don't want to mix it with dinodiesel for the cold months... >> # >> # Why not? The key there is just mixture. Petroleum Diesel and VO mix pretty >> # well so long as the VO is clean and free of water. During the summer months >> # you could go up to 50% mix with no issues. I know because I've done it. In >> # the winter just pull back to 10% VO or less. We never get THAT cold around >> # here to REQUIRE a fuel heater setup. >> # >> # The only time you would have to have a heated VO source is if you ever plan >> # to run on 100% VO. >> # >> # --chuck >> # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? Pipe ID=4", length=70" any engineers on line that can tell me how much fluid that will hold? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, john wrote: # > # > > have an idea... # > > # > > I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's # > > basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... # > > # > > If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with # > > coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections # > > I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, # > > which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few # > > gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard # > > so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) # > > # > > see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish # > > Monster Carport? :) # > > # > > I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure # > > the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) # > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG # > > # > > should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: # > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ # > > # > > if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... ;) # > > # > > john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:02:29 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? 3.8 gallons Mike Frank At 09:41 PM 7/17/2008, you wrote: > Pipe ID=4", length=70" > >any engineers on line that can tell me how much fluid that will hold? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] how much will a 4" (ID) pipe 70" long hold? cool, thanx! thanx all... about 3.8 gallons... there is a square tube behind it... about the same length, I'll run out and get those dimensions as well... but I'm thinking that pipe it too heavy, it's thick wall, what is that schedule 40 or something along those lines? I should be able to find some thin wall, maybe in 5" diameter... my truck is back in Everett waiting to get it's a/c working, but 70" is about the correct length. I believe the gW is 76" wide. thanx Eric for providing the formula, it helped me remember. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # pi r squared x length # # 879 cubic inches # # Eric Ditwiler # Director, Academic Operations # Harvey Mudd College # 909-607-3134 # eric_ditwiler-at-hmc.edu # # # # On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:41 PM, john wrote: # # > Pipe ID=4", length=70" # > # >any engineers on line that can tell me how much fluid that will hold? :) # > # > # >john # > # > ----- # >------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # >------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, john wrote: # > # > # > # > > have an idea... # > # > > # > # > > I have the rear "bumper" off of my '67 J100 panel... it's # > # > > basically a section of pipe about the width of an FSJ... # > # > > # > # > > If I capped off both ends, ran a line through the middle with # > # > > coolant from the heater, and put a filler on it, and connections # > # > > I could basically reinforce the front end of my Grand Wagoneer, # > # > > which has horribly whimpy bumers (aluminum) and provide a few # > # > > gallons of WVO storage... can mount it under the brush guard # > # > > so it'll also serve as an air dam and off road skid plate... :) # > # > > # > # > > see what happens when parts are left laying around the Snohomish # > # > > Monster Carport? :) # > # > > # > # > > I will need to measure the diameter, and the length, then figure # > # > > the volume... hopefully my math skills will work. ;) # > # > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/March17-PANEL/P3171189.JPG # > # > > # > # > > should fit under the front bumper/brush guard: # > # > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-22-garden-snohomish-benz-jeep/benz-n-jeep/ # > # > > # > # > > if it holds at least three gallons this might be worth the trouble... # > # > > ;) # > # > > # > # > > john # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Hmmm... Just what we need... John with MORE ideas!! ;) Jim we'll see... I'll see if I can mount it, and if it > has enough space... it's > pretty heavy... but it is giving me some ideas. :) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... get the popcorn ready... :) actually thinking of fabbing up a custom tank... when I was at intel we used to 'weld' up polycarbonate items... if I can find the right material I could glue up a custom tank to fit into the front wheelwell. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Hmmm... Just what we need... John with MORE ideas!! # # ;) # # Jim # # we'll see... I'll see if I can mount it, and if # it # > has enough space... it's # > pretty heavy... but it is giving me some ideas. :) # > # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:00:43 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest bumpers in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be considered a safety improvement. ;-) Alec On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM, john wrote: > get the popcorn ready... :) > > actually thinking of fabbing up a custom > tank... when I was at intel we used > to 'weld' up polycarbonate items... if > I can find the right material > I could glue up a custom tank to > fit into the front wheelwell. :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Hmmm... Just what we need... John with MORE ideas!! > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # we'll see... I'll see if I can mount it, and if > # it > # > has enough space... it's > # > pretty heavy... but it is giving me some ideas. :) > # > > # > john > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Oh, great, add fuel to the fire... (pun intended!) ;) Jim - --- Alec Cordova wrote: > Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I > dated a girl in high > school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or > somebody similar > way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that > the safest bumpers > in collisions were basically water-filled bladders > with > specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the > plugs would pop > out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided > the best > deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a > drawback. > > So if you could find an appropriate material, this > could be considered > a safety improvement. ;-) > > Alec > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:31 PM, john > wrote: > > get the popcorn ready... :) > > > > actually thinking of fabbing up a custom > > tank... when I was at intel we used > > to 'weld' up polycarbonate items... if > > I can find the right material > > I could glue up a custom tank to > > fit into the front wheelwell. :) > > > > ----- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > # Hmmm... Just what we need... John with MORE > ideas!! > > # > > # ;) > > # > > # Jim > > # > > # we'll see... I'll see if I can mount it, > and if > > # it > > # > has enough space... it's > > # > pretty heavy... but it is giving me some > ideas. :) > > # > > > # > john > > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... john wrote: > > get the popcorn ready... :) > > actually thinking of fabbing up a custom > tank... when I was at intel we used > to 'weld' up polycarbonate items... if > I can find the right material > I could glue up a custom tank to > fit into the front wheelwell. :) > *** Woohoo! Pass the popcorn! If you should proceed with this nefarious plan, see http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/proseal.php for the Right Sealant. It's used in small airplanes to create fuel tanks that are just sections of the wing. They just rivet up a tank structure and use this stuff at the edges. It lasts for years and years. I bought a bit of it for a cabin repair on my airplane, and to reglue a side window. It's kind of like silicone, but FAR stronger and stickier. When wet, it has very low surface tension, so no matter how lightly you touch it, the mess gets on you :). Wear old clothes. It will never come out in the wash. When I used it, there was a lump left on my mixing stick. After it cured, I tried to peel it off. I was unable to peel it or break it. Amazing stuff. I bet your employer uses it too. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Alec! hey, you triggered an idea... I could use PVC piping, it's a lot lighter, and I can glue it... should be resistant to any issues with waste veggie oil, will hold the temperature while adding little weight! I can get fittings for it... (I wonder if PVC will hold up to BioDiesel... should...) cool! thanx buddy, this was the seed for a good idea... I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... i.e., 5 gallons... pi r squared x length (3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 (details weren't provided on how one gets to the cubic inches, I reversed the math and came up with 3.99999 as the divisor... right?) 7916.83/4 = 1979.2 x 0.0043 = 8.5 gallons??? so a 6" ID pipe 70" long should hold about 8.5 gallons... earlier info: 879.65 cubic inches X 0.0043 cubic inches to gallon = 3.78 Gallons The PVC will be better, less weight... I'm not worried about what happens if there is an accident... veggie oil is messy, but not a big safety issue... I'll probably put it below the brush guard and bumper so the brush guard would be impacted before the PVC pipe... of course I'm thinking about all this without the Jeep sitting in front of me, so this may not work out... I can set up a filtering system on it, and just pour the nasty wvo right into the front bumper and drive off... :) I could use 2 4" pipes and have one filled with filter material... pour the raw wvo into the top one, let it run through that pipe into the bottom pipe and draw out of that one... the gears are turning... :) thanx again for triggering the idea... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high # school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar # way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest bumpers # in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with # specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop # out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best # deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. # # So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be considered # a safety improvement. ;-) # # Alec ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2821 **********************************