From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jul 18 14:11:27 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, July 18 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2822 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... [db] Re: adventures with cruise controls Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:36:17 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... This is getting interesting. I like the idea of two pipes, or a lower horizontal one to hold filtered content, and an upright section on each end filled with filter material into which you pour unfiltered oils. As for your equations, you shouldn't have needed to convert anything to reach cubic inches. You just used diameter instead of radius. It's pi * (r-squared), not pi * (d-squared), and that's how your "converter" of 4 came to be. If radius is in inches, radius squared is square inches. It's also cubic inches when length is one inch. Multiply by 70 inches, multiply by 0.00432900433 gallons per cubic inch (courtesy of Google), and you get about 8.57 gallons. Similarly, we can confirm that a 4 inch inside diameter holds about 3.81 gallons, and 5" ID holds about 5.95. I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. Just exploring some fun thoughts on a Friday afternoon. Alec On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, john wrote: > Alec! > > hey, you triggered an idea... I could use PVC piping, it's > a lot lighter, and I can glue it... should be resistant to > any issues with waste veggie oil, will hold the temperature > while adding little weight! I can get fittings for it... > > (I wonder if PVC will hold up to BioDiesel... should...) > > cool! thanx buddy, this was the seed for a good idea... > > I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe > with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I > bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... > i.e., 5 gallons... > > pi r squared x length > > (3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 > (details weren't provided on how one gets to the cubic inches, > I reversed the math and came up with 3.99999 as the divisor... right?) > 7916.83/4 = 1979.2 x 0.0043 = 8.5 gallons??? > > so a 6" ID pipe 70" long should hold about 8.5 gallons... > > earlier info: > 879.65 cubic inches > X 0.0043 cubic inches to gallon > = 3.78 Gallons > > > The PVC will be better, less weight... I'm not worried about what > happens if there is an accident... veggie oil is messy, but not a > big safety issue... I'll probably put it below the brush guard and > bumper so the brush guard would be impacted before the PVC pipe... > > of course I'm thinking about all this without the Jeep sitting in > front of me, so this may not work out... > > > I can set up a filtering system on it, and just pour the nasty wvo > right into the front bumper and drive off... :) I could use 2 4" > pipes and have one filled with filter material... pour the raw wvo > into the top one, let it run through that pipe into the bottom pipe > and draw out of that one... > > the gears are turning... :) > thanx again for triggering the idea... ;) > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > > # Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high > # school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar > # way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest bumpers > # in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with > # specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop > # out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best > # deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. > # > # So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be considered > # a safety improvement. ;-) > # > # Alec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # *** Woohoo! Pass the popcorn! If you should proceed with this # nefarious plan, see # # http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/proseal.php # # for the Right Sealant. # # It's used in small airplanes to create fuel tanks that are just # sections of the wing. They just rivet up a tank structure and use this # stuff at the edges. It lasts for years and years. # # I bought a bit of it for a cabin repair on my airplane, and to reglue a # side window. It's kind of like silicone, but FAR stronger and stickier. # When wet, it has very low surface tension, so no matter how lightly you # touch it, the mess gets on you :). Wear old clothes. It will never come # out in the wash. When I used it, there was a lump left on my mixing stick. # After it cured, I tried to peel it off. I was unable to peel it or break # it. Amazing stuff. I bet your employer uses it too. # # - Jerry Kaidor oh yes... by the barrel, or tanker car... there are people that actually crawl inside those wings... they attach a tether to them so they can drag them back out if something goes amiss... I'm freaking out just thinking about going in there... was out in the big building a few months ago troubleshooting an issue and got to see inside the new one... pretty cool stuff... but you won't catch me doing the sealing work in those conditions... for what I'm thinking simple PVC cement will work... will put screw on end caps, will make it easy to clean... I like PVC, easy to work with, way better than metal... will probably use the black stuff... thinking that I can slide in something with wafers on rods to act as baffles... or maybe some scotchbrite as a baffle... would also act as a filter for the french fries. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Ron, radius... diameter... I think I'm getting confused... so, let's ask the question of the math types; 6" diameter pipe, 70" long... in gallons, what's the capacity? and if possible, show all the steps so I understand what I'm trying to remember... :) 4" diameter pipe, 70" long netted about 3.8 gallons... how much bigger is the 6" pipe in capacity? Isn't it 33% bigger, or about 1.26 gallons more, or a total of 5.0 gallons? (which is less than what my incorrect math come up with isn't it? ;) There are three types of people in the world... those that can do math, and those that can't... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # On Friday 18 July 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # from john who wrote: # # > I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe # > with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I # > bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... # > i.e., 5 gallons... # > # > pi r squared x length # > # > (3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 # # except that here r = 3", not 6". # So you are out by a factor of 4. # Cheers, # Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... what's scary is my calculations (that were incorrect) led me to think 8.x gallons... I think this is a good idea... I often pick up about 5 gallons at a time from one place... being able to pour it directly into a tank at the site saves me having to carry a nasty bucket in my jeep... problem is if it's raining I'll have to be careful not to get water in the system... I need room to filter, room to heat and of course the necessary plumbing stuff... Maybe I could setup a funnel setup under the hood that filters and drains into the bumper reservoir... that way if it's raining it'll be out of the rain... problem is I'll have to lift 5 gallons up pretty high... the engine bay is about shoulder height... :) maybe that's not such a good idea... I can see veggie oil all over my front... this will be a fun project... love the design phase... oh the possibilities... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # This is getting interesting. # I like the idea of two pipes, or a lower horizontal one to hold # filtered content, and an upright section on each end filled with # filter material into which you pour unfiltered oils. # # As for your equations, you shouldn't have needed to convert anything # to reach cubic inches. You just used diameter instead of radius. It's # pi * (r-squared), not pi * (d-squared), and that's how your # "converter" of 4 came to be. # If radius is in inches, radius squared is square inches. It's also # cubic inches when length is one inch. Multiply by 70 inches, multiply # by 0.00432900433 gallons per cubic inch (courtesy of Google), and you # get about 8.57 gallons. # # Similarly, we can confirm that a 4 inch inside diameter holds about # 3.81 gallons, and 5" ID holds about 5.95. # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. # # Just exploring some fun thoughts on a Friday afternoon. # # Alec # # # On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, john wrote: # > Alec! # > # > hey, you triggered an idea... I could use PVC piping, it's # > a lot lighter, and I can glue it... should be resistant to # > any issues with waste veggie oil, will hold the temperature # > while adding little weight! I can get fittings for it... # > # > (I wonder if PVC will hold up to BioDiesel... should...) # > # > cool! thanx buddy, this was the seed for a good idea... # > # > I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe # > with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I # > bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... # > i.e., 5 gallons... # > # > pi r squared x length # > # > (3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 # > (details weren't provided on how one gets to the cubic inches, # > I reversed the math and came up with 3.99999 as the divisor... right?) # > 7916.83/4 = 1979.2 x 0.0043 = 8.5 gallons??? # > # > so a 6" ID pipe 70" long should hold about 8.5 gallons... # > # > earlier info: # > 879.65 cubic inches # > X 0.0043 cubic inches to gallon # > = 3.78 Gallons # > # > # > The PVC will be better, less weight... I'm not worried about what # > happens if there is an accident... veggie oil is messy, but not a # > big safety issue... I'll probably put it below the brush guard and # > bumper so the brush guard would be impacted before the PVC pipe... # > # > of course I'm thinking about all this without the Jeep sitting in # > front of me, so this may not work out... # > # > # > I can set up a filtering system on it, and just pour the nasty wvo # > right into the front bumper and drive off... :) I could use 2 4" # > pipes and have one filled with filter material... pour the raw wvo # > into the top one, let it run through that pipe into the bottom pipe # > and draw out of that one... # > # > the gears are turning... :) # > thanx again for triggering the idea... ;) # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > # Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high # > # school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar # > # way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest bumpers # > # in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with # > # specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop # > # out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best # > # deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. # > # # > # So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be considered # > # a safety improvement. ;-) # > # # > # Alec # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... sunlight? Snohomish, Washington, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold I don't think it'll be a big problem... unless I travel out of the area. :) seriously, I'll keep it in mind and look for UV safe material... I could wrap it with something or bedline it... thanx for the input... that opens the door to use white pvc... assuming of course that the spray on dupont (or whatever brand it is) bed liner won't dissolve the pvc. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # be sure to paint your PVC pipe as it does not like sunlight. # # # Eric Ditwiler # Director, Academic Operations # Harvey Mudd College # 909-607-3134 # eric_ditwiler-at-hmc.edu # # # # On Jul 18, 2008, at 1:01 PM, john wrote: # # >Alec! # > # >hey, you triggered an idea... I could use PVC piping, it's # >a lot lighter, and I can glue it... should be resistant to # >any issues with waste veggie oil, will hold the temperature # >while adding little weight! I can get fittings for it... # > # >(I wonder if PVC will hold up to BioDiesel... should...) # > # >cool! thanx buddy, this was the seed for a good idea... # > # >I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe # >with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I # >bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... # >i.e., 5 gallons... # > # >pi r squared x length # > # >(3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 # > (details weren't provided on how one gets to the cubic inches, # > I reversed the math and came up with 3.99999 as the divisor... # >right?) # >7916.83/4 = 1979.2 x 0.0043 = 8.5 gallons??? # > # >so a 6" ID pipe 70" long should hold about 8.5 gallons... # > # >earlier info: # >879.65 cubic inches # >X 0.0043 cubic inches to gallon # >= 3.78 Gallons # > # > # >The PVC will be better, less weight... I'm not worried about what # >happens if there is an accident... veggie oil is messy, but not a # >big safety issue... I'll probably put it below the brush guard and # >bumper so the brush guard would be impacted before the PVC pipe... # > # >of course I'm thinking about all this without the Jeep sitting in # >front of me, so this may not work out... # > # > # >I can set up a filtering system on it, and just pour the nasty wvo # >right into the front bumper and drive off... :) I could use 2 4" # >pipes and have one filled with filter material... pour the raw wvo # >into the top one, let it run through that pipe into the bottom pipe # >and draw out of that one... # > # >the gears are turning... :) # >thanx again for triggering the idea... ;) # > # > # > ----- # >------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # >------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # > # Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high # > # school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar # > # way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest bumpers # > # in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with # > # specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop # > # out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best # > # deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. # > # # > # So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be considered # > # a safety improvement. ;-) # > # # > # Alec # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: adventures with cruise controls Admiral, Excellent info... and very nice, electric controlled, on summit racing for just under $200. might be able to do better... :) http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RPC-250-1223&view=1&N=700+4294922537 looks like they use the same control that's already on my stalk... four wires, can see their colors even! http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RPC-250-3032 y'all rock, so much help from my friends... thanx all! ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Colucci B wrote: # Greetings John! # # When I had the TJ, those first year 97's did not come with factory cruise # control. I found this company on the web and actually talked to them on the # phone. They really know their stuff, and offer a far superior product to the # mickey mouse items in jc whip me's book. One of the things was that they do # not like the magnets on the drive shafts either, and have interfaces for # their units that actually tie into the facotry speed sensors. # # http://www.rostra.com/cruise-control.htm # # # Until the next dimension, # The Admiral # # john wrote: # > the continuing saga from the Snohomish Monster Carport... today's # > story brings us to the cruise control... # > # > (background: a GMC 6.2L "J" motor Diesel from 1983 3/4t 4x4 pickup was # > "inserted" # > into my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer... have the stock jeep wiring in place, # > and remnants of the GM cruise system... including computer and brake # > pedal. ;) # > # > ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2822 **********************************