From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jul 20 23:48:34 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, July 21 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2823 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... [db] Re: fsj: a/c info [db] car pictures... snohomish klahaya days Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:00:39 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... On Friday 18 July 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive from john who wrote: > radius... diameter... I think I'm getting confused... > > so, let's ask the question of the math types; > > 6" diameter pipe, 70" long... in gallons, what's the capacity? > and if possible, show all the steps so I understand what I'm > trying to remember... :) 6" is 15 cm, or 1.5 dm, as near as dammit, so r=15/2=0.75 dm. 70" equals 17.5 dm. Pi x r x r x l= 3.14159 x .75 x .75 x 17.5 = 30.9 litres Cheers, Ron. - -- Raffiniert ist der Herrgott, aber boshaft ist er nicht. -- Albert Einstein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... gravity... haven't had good luck with 12v pumps. ;) am looking at some for real though... but the good ones are a couple hundred bucks. :( ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John; # # 12 volt pump. # # Bob # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:59 PM # To: Alec Cordova # Cc: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... # # what's scary is my calculations (that were incorrect) led me to # think 8.x gallons... # # I think this is a good idea... I often pick up about 5 gallons # at a time from one place... being able to pour it directly into # a tank at the site saves me having to carry a nasty bucket in # my jeep... problem is if it's raining I'll have to be careful # not to get water in the system... # # I need room to filter, room to heat and of course the necessary # plumbing stuff... Maybe I could setup a funnel setup under the hood # that filters and drains into the bumper reservoir... that way if # it's raining it'll be out of the rain... problem is I'll have to lift # 5 gallons up pretty high... the engine bay is about shoulder height... :) # maybe that's not such a good idea... I can see veggie oil all over my # front... # # this will be a fun project... love the design phase... oh the # possibilities... # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # # # This is getting interesting. # # I like the idea of two pipes, or a lower horizontal one to hold # # filtered content, and an upright section on each end filled with # # filter material into which you pour unfiltered oils. # # # # As for your equations, you shouldn't have needed to convert anything # # to reach cubic inches. You just used diameter instead of radius. It's # # pi * (r-squared), not pi * (d-squared), and that's how your # # "converter" of 4 came to be. # # If radius is in inches, radius squared is square inches. It's also # # cubic inches when length is one inch. Multiply by 70 inches, multiply # # by 0.00432900433 gallons per cubic inch (courtesy of Google), and you # # get about 8.57 gallons. # # # # Similarly, we can confirm that a 4 inch inside diameter holds about # # 3.81 gallons, and 5" ID holds about 5.95. # # # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. # # # # Just exploring some fun thoughts on a Friday afternoon. # # # # Alec # # # # # # On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, john wrote: # # > Alec! # # > # # > hey, you triggered an idea... I could use PVC piping, it's # # > a lot lighter, and I can glue it... should be resistant to # # > any issues with waste veggie oil, will hold the temperature # # > while adding little weight! I can get fittings for it... # # > # # > (I wonder if PVC will hold up to BioDiesel... should...) # # > # # > cool! thanx buddy, this was the seed for a good idea... # # > # # > I know from our earlier calculations that a 70" long pipe # # > with an ID of 4" would give me about 3.8 gallons, so if I # # > bump this up to 6" it'll get me closer to where I want to be... # # > i.e., 5 gallons... # # > # # > pi r squared x length # # > # # > (3.1416 * 36) * 70 = 7916.83 # # > (details weren't provided on how one gets to the cubic inches, # # > I reversed the math and came up with 3.99999 as the divisor... # right?) # # > 7916.83/4 = 1979.2 x 0.0043 = 8.5 gallons??? # # > # # > so a 6" ID pipe 70" long should hold about 8.5 gallons... # # > # # > earlier info: # # > 879.65 cubic inches # # > X 0.0043 cubic inches to gallon # # > = 3.78 Gallons # # > # # > # # > The PVC will be better, less weight... I'm not worried about what # # > happens if there is an accident... veggie oil is messy, but not a # # > big safety issue... I'll probably put it below the brush guard and # # > bumper so the brush guard would be impacted before the PVC pipe... # # > # # > of course I'm thinking about all this without the Jeep sitting in # # > front of me, so this may not work out... # # > # # > # # > I can set up a filtering system on it, and just pour the nasty wvo # # > right into the front bumper and drive off... :) I could use 2 4" # # > pipes and have one filled with filter material... pour the raw wvo # # > into the top one, let it run through that pipe into the bottom pipe # # > and draw out of that one... # # > # # > the gears are turning... :) # # > thanx again for triggering the idea... ;) # # > # # > # # > ----- # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > # # > # # > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # # > # # > # Probably couldn't do it with diesel fuel, but I dated a girl in high # # > # school who's father did some testing for NHTSA (or somebody similar # # > # way back then) on vehicle bumpers. They found that the safest # bumpers # # > # in collisions were basically water-filled bladders with # # > # specifically-sized plugged holes. In an impact, the plugs would pop # # > # out, and pushing the water out of the holes provided the best # # > # deceleration rates. Of course the weight was a drawback. # # > # # # > # So if you could find an appropriate material, this could be # considered # # > # a safety improvement. ;-) # # > # # # > # Alec # # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: a/c info I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, but not always... first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch for the compressor, need to locate that module: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ then the cruise control... :) then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days # and play 5.... # # # john wrote: # > hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] car pictures... snohomish klahaya days http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-20-snohomish-klahaya-days/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2823 **********************************