From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Aug 3 09:20:43 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, August 3 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2832 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] first tank [db] Re: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia RE: [db] Re: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia Re: [db] today's adventure... [db] a reprieve for Omega and the WJ? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] first tank dragging front caliper, heavy winds, over 5 mountain passes, 100 miles of local in town driving, dino oil, 5,980 lb scale weight with 2 passengers... 15.89 mpg... Used 18.5 gallons total... Omega with his 6.2L Diesel on the same leg used his entire tank... probably around 19 gallons, so they seem to have done about the same, indicating HOPE for the Blazer. Omega usually gets 23 or so on the freeway got about the same mileage as the Blazer... which helps make this a little less disappointing... oh, one other thing, the PO said the tank was filled with B50, so that's the other factor for both rigs... BioDiesel. Just got back from town with another 20 gallons of WVO... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia do they sell it by gallon or liter? what's the cost of regular unleaded? what's the cost of Diesel? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Stephen Cahill wrote: # Hello John # The difference between our gallons in liters is as follows. # Old Imperial gallon was 4.54 liters US gallon is 3.78 liters. # So you do get a better bang for your gallon in Canada. # # Stephen # # On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM, john wrote: # # > thought you used Liters... so when one does the # > math you'd end up with normal gallons... ;) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Stephen Cahill wrote: # > # > # Hi guys do not forget we have a bigger gallon also. # > # # > # On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jim Blair wrote: # > # # > # > I'll tell you on monday when I get back! (It's higher as you go # > inland) # > # > Price # > # > is still MUCH higher than the US. # > # > # > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # > # > # > # > # > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:26:44 -0700 # > # > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > > Subject: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia # > # > > # > # > > any one know what fuel is going for in BC? # > # > > # > # > > unleaded # > # > > Diesel # > # > > # > # > > thinking of taking a trip up to Jasper/Glacier... # > # > > # > # > > john # > # > > # > # > > ----- # > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # > > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > # > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. # > # > # > # > # > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_0720 # > # > 08 # > # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Re: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia ok, so, given Diesel Gas per liter per liter $1.38 $1.32 liters in a gallon 3.785412 in CANADIAN, the following is the cost per gallon: Diesel Gas $5.22 $5.00 so gas is "only" $4.86476 USD / gal and Diesel is $5.07881 USD / gal I just tanked up the Blazer with Diesel for $4.83/gal and gas is $4.03 or so... So, based on this info it appears that Diesel is a better bargain in Canada... ;) That's the info I needed, thanx Randy. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Randy Bennell wrote: # Not sure what the price of diesel will be in BC but can likely email some # friends and find out. # # I'm in Manitoba so about 1000 or more miles east of BC. # # We are currently paying about 1.38 per liter for diesel and 1.32 for regular # gas. That just went down a bit as last week I filled my 115 300D and it took # $100. Price then was $1.44 per liter for diesel. # # Multiply by about 3.78 to convert to US gallon if I recall correctly. # # Randy # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On # Behalf Of john # Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:57 PM # To: Stephen Cahill # Cc: diesel-benz list # Subject: [db] Re: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia # # # do they sell it by gallon or liter? # # what's the cost of regular unleaded? # what's the cost of Diesel? # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Stephen Cahill wrote: # # # Hello John # # The difference between our gallons in liters is as follows. # # Old Imperial gallon was 4.54 liters US gallon is 3.78 liters. # # So you do get a better bang for your gallon in Canada. # # # # Stephen # # # # On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM, john wrote: # # # # > thought you used Liters... so when one does the # # > math you'd end up with normal gallons... ;) # # > # # > ----- # # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > # # > # # > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Stephen Cahill wrote: # # > # # > # Hi guys do not forget we have a bigger gallon also. # # > # # # > # On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jim Blair # wrote: # # > # # # > # > I'll tell you on monday when I get back! (It's higher as you go # # > inland) # # > # > Price # # > # > is still MUCH higher than the US. # # > # > # # > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:26:44 -0700 # # > # > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # # > # > > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # # > # > > Subject: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia # # > # > > # # > # > > any one know what fuel is going for in BC? # # > # > > # # > # > > unleaded # # > # > > Diesel # # > # > > # # > # > > thinking of taking a trip up to Jasper/Glacier... # # > # > > # # > # > > john # # > # > > # # > # > > ----- # # > # > > # # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > # > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # # > # > > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # > # > > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # # > # > > # # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > # > # # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # # > # > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. # # > # > # # > # > # # > # http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072 # 0 # # > # > 08 # # > # > # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # # # # # # # # No virus found in this incoming message. # Checked by AVG. # Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 # 5:30 PM # # No virus found in this outgoing message. # Checked by AVG. # Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 # 5:30 PM # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] today's adventure... my son pointed out that my 6.2 in Omega only got about 16 until I switched it over to Amsoil... I also noticed that the front caliper is dragging on this thing. so 15.83 on the first tank isn't unacceptable... the drive back wasn't easy... windy and several passes involved... only 200 miles on the freeway, the rest around town... and Omega did worse... or about the same... the PO claims 20 mpg, and my experience with Jimmy's indicates that is to be expected... hoping for more... surprised at how much this thing weighs. :) what does your sub weigh???? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, scotthaaland-at-yahoo.com wrote: # John, # # I'll be very interested to see what kind of mileage you get with the blazer. My 96 suburban with the 6.5 L has only gotten 16 mpg max on the road, and as bad as 13 mpg in town. Of course the sub is much bigger than the blazer, has 4x4 and a goofy sun visor that I should have removed years ago (I've always wondered how much air resistance that causes). At any rate...I'm sure I don't have to ask, but I will anyway...keep us posted on the fuel performance. # # Scott # Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T # # -----Original Message----- # From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # # Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:28:54 # To: # Subject: Re: [db] today's adventure... # # # TRAITOR! Poor Omega! He's going to run over you for building him up like that # and then dumping him! And for what? A pansy little civvy-Blazer with factory # A/C and cruise? Those are PRETTY SORRY REASONS to dump a 24mpg TANK! # # You'll be sorry.......and not because of anything I say........... # # Can you live with the regret of giving up when you were so close? # # J # # -- john wrote: # upon popular request: :) # # here are the pictures of the latest adventure with wheels: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-31-the-Blazer-adventure/ # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-31-the-Blazer-adventure/ALL.html # # nothing spectacular... didn't take a lot of pictures... # # the Blazer wins the contest hands down... quiet, comfortable, in good shape # overall... couple minor issues to work on, mostly maintenance and clean up. # # Midas (a franchise that does brakes and mufflers and has almost killed me # once because of a "free brake check", and ruined one of my jeeps by cutting # a hole in the exhaust and not putting it back during an estimate for a # friend) # did the brake job for the previous owner, noticed this morning that the front # caliper was hanging... going to see if they'll honor the warranty... # # The windshield is cracked, but not where it interferes with my visibility, # but since the windshield is dirty I may have it changed along with the # one on my benz. # # The cruise control works perfectly. The a/c works perfectly. The seats # will be replaced with the WJ leather heated seats... heading over to # the wrecking yard to buy my cloth seats out of the WJ back to replace them. # # Will put the stock SJ leather seats back in Omega. Trying to decide if # I'm going to take the IPF 800 series driving lights... a few folks have # commented about all the lights on the front of the Grand Wagoneer... ;) # # Looks like my goal of going to two vehicles is going to happen. The Blazer # does what the Grand Cherokee does but on Diesel. Going to get the veggie # oil conversion setup for the Blazer. Will run the Benz on BioDiesel. I # suspect I'll drive my Benz to work to save fuel. My wife shouldn't have # any trouble driving the Blazer if she needs to go shopping. The Blazer # will be much easier to transport stuff... love the tailgate setup. Fantastic # mirrors and visibility. # # It was clear within five minutes on the freeway that Omega was history... # within # a few more minutes it became clear that the Grand Cherokee was also # departing. # # My wife started to go negative... noted how much larger the Blazer is than # the Grand Cherokee... but it's not that much bigger and only 0.8 inches # wider than my Grand Wagoneer... so I think we can overcome that issue. ;) # The # Blazer does not feel large, not like my '83 Jimmy... that thing felt like a # barge. # # The Blazer has had a few upgrades... Smittybuilt Nerf bars, rain shields # on the windows, CD changer, the engine has been "chipped", the # turbo enhanced, the PMD module relocated (this is the issue with the 6.5L # TDs, # the computer module sat on the intake manifold, expecting the coolant to # keep the chip cool... never worked as designed, so by relocating the module # to in front of the radiator one solves the problem completely.) # # I have the original owners manual, looks like I'm the 3rd owner. The # previous # owner bought it about 3 or 4 years ago and then upgraded the engine. The # original owner had the boost gauge and cd changer installed. Looking for # the original window sticker, have all the other info in the glovebox... ;) # # so, there you have it... # # It was a beautiful day... dirty windshield... soon as we got on I-90 heading # west # we figured we'd have a lot of fun driving into the sunset... but the rain on # our # side of the mountains solved that problem... was surprised to see sun this # morning. :) # # next on the agenda... emissions test... brake repair, recovery of original # seats for the WJ and then get the Jeeps prepped for sale. # # The WJ will be up for $6500. It's a superb Jeep... nothing wrong with it... # Omega is up initially at $7500, have about $14k invested... have one offer # standing right now for $5500. # # Trying to decide if I'm going to sell Superdawg ('83 J10 stepside that has # been in large pieces since 2001) as is, or put a driveline in it and sell it # that way... no reason to have it with two trailers... although I may sell # the '47 Bantam trailer... the Blazer won't mind a 2,000lb trailer... stock it # came with about 180hp and 340ft lbs of torque, and it's been chipped... it's # pretty impressive how much throttle response it has... I don't think it's # as fast as my '91 300D, but it's certainly very acceptable. :) # # john # # '94 Blazer 6.5L TD # '91 300D 2.5L TD # # zu verkaufen: '99 WJ 4.7L V8, '91 GW 6.2L V8, '83 J10 no engine # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # # # Am Freedag 01 August 2008, hest Du schrieven: # # # # > just got back from Tri-Cities... # # > # # > picked up a '94 Chevy Blazer with a 6.5L TD... very nice... thought # # > it was green from the pictures, but it's dark blue... needs some TLC, # # > mostly cleaning... ran out very nicely... # # # # C'mon, don't tantalize us! :-) # # # # Where are the pictures? Impressions? mpg? The malfunctions? ;-) # # # # Bursting with curiosity, # # Andreas (car-less, now going for an evening klatta in the parents' CLK) # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiggZrmv2uOZtrOIamVzCMRIr51b # oWfEtHT3sD4PttAqsKMSr/ # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] a reprieve for Omega and the WJ? the cracks are starting to form in the plan... ... the plan was to get the snohomish fleet down to two BioDiesel powered vessels... Initially it started out to replace Omega, the '91 Grand Wagoneer with 6.2L Diesel, with a '94 Blazer with a 6.5L Turbo Diesel. Driving home the topic moved to selling the '99 WJ as well... consolidating to the '94 Blazer and the '91 300D. The Blazer is quiet and rides great... runs on BioDiesel... easy to use tailgate... nice freeway cruiser, leaving the 300D for daily use or short runs... However, in driving around town in the Blazer my wife has noticed that it's too big, and she feels too cold in it... (color of interior? vast cavernous interior and headroom? no sunroof? no seat heater???? ;) But looking at the specs the Blazer isn't that much different: - -------------------------------------------------- '94 Blazer vs. '91 Grand Wagoneer: 0.8 inches wider 1.2 inches longer 2.8 longer wheelbase '94 Blazer vs. '99 Grand Cherokee: 4.1 inches wider 6.2 inches longer 5.6 longer wheelbase - -------------------------------------------------- I really think she doesn't want to get rid of her WJ for long trips, when I mentioned we'd only have to insure two vehicles she shrugged it off... but it gets worse, I'm starting to crack too... (some of you already think I'm cracked, but that's what keeps the list interesting... ;) I like Omega, he is easier to drive in tight spaces, a lighter steering and better brakes than the big Blazer... The Blazer is nice, and with the 6.5L TD unique, but a Grand Wagoneer with a 6.2L Diesel is more unique. Add to this mix the parts guy asking if I was selling the Blazer and telling me what he thought it was worth... selling the Blazer for a profit would give me the funds to have proper motor mounts installed and the 6.2L gone through by a qualified professional, or even swap in a fresher engine... I started to prep Omega for sale yesterday... started to pull the WJ leather seats... just did the passenger side, easily returned... took pictures this morning... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/08-Aug-03-jeeps-n-blazer/ http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/08-Aug-03-jeeps-n-blazer/ALL.html Tomorrow I'll revisit the parts guy... if he is serious about buying the Blazer I may just give up on the idea of consolidation and stick with the 300D, the Grand Wagoneer and the Grand Cherokee... The 6.5L TD is a very quiet engine, lots of power, but the economy isn't impressive, and those results seem to be pretty universal among 6.5L owners... guess my best bet is to have the 6.2L properly tuned, add more noise abatement and install better engine mounts... maybe even consider fitting a Banks Turbo to quiet it down a bit while keeping the boost down to prevent stress on the drivetrain. The other thing about the 6.2L/700r4 setup is that I have a much better feeling about the transmission, brakes and steering in Omega... The Blazer doesn't feel as crisp or as nimble... Then you add to the fact that I really like the WJ we have too... we'll see what happens... hours of entertainment... keep that popcorn poppin'. ;) one thing is reasonably certain, the '91 300D will stick around... what I need to do is find comfortable heated leather seats for it... ;) I wonder if those WJ seats would fit... ;) have wrench, do travel... later, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2832 **********************************