From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Aug 16 18:50:18 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, August 17 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2841 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: xj: 97 XJ for sale -price drop again Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... Re: [db] stereo indecision... [db] the next stage... RE: [db] the next stage... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: 97 XJ for sale -price drop again speaking of lunatic fringe, how much for the TD? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote: # Sport utilities are having a hard time moving due to fuel prices. The diesel # GW attracts the lunatic fringe, who don't seem to care about fuel prices. # # Probably would be a good time for me to dump that 300TD... # # On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:02:37PM -0700, john wrote: # > I've dropped the price on my '99 WJ too... these gassers ain't selling... # > my Diesel GW is getting bids... # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:39:27 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... John, I am surprised you don't have an Amateur Radio license. I would get your license and put in a ham radio with wide band receive, then get a Sirius radio. In one of my vehicles I have Sirius, my ham radio, and a mac mini. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... I had a commercial FCC license in the 70's. :) real hams need to do code... never had time to learn it... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # I am surprised you don't have an Amateur Radio license. I # would get your license and put in a ham radio with wide band receive, # then get a Sirius radio. In one of my vehicles I have Sirius, my ham # radio, and a mac mini. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... > I had a commercial FCC license in the 70's. :) *** Then you still have it. They don't expire. > > real hams need to do code... never had time to learn it... :) *** Not so much anymore. I don't think any ham license currently requires more than 5WPM - an agonizingly slow pace - which basically means you memorized the dots and dashes. Our diesels are ideal for HF ( shortwave ) ham radio, because they have no ignition systems. - Jerry Kaidor, KF6VB ( Extra, from back when you had to do 20WPM. Also FCC GROL... ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:22:00 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 01:12:29PM -0700, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > real hams need to do code... never had time to learn it... :) > > *** Not so much anymore. I don't think any ham license currently requires > more than 5WPM - an agonizingly slow pace - which basically means you > memorized the dots and dashes. > > Our diesels are ideal for HF ( shortwave ) ham radio, because they > have no ignition systems. > > - Jerry Kaidor, KF6VB > > ( Extra, from back when you had to do 20WPM. Also FCC GROL... ) 5wpm is pretty slow, slow enough that my really bad code passed it when that was all the requirement was for general. Now, because I have too many irons in the fire, I've never operated below 50 MHz, which made getting general somewhat pointless in hindsight, but whatever. Those of you who play with both diesels and radios take note: powerstrokes are a pain to deal with. six meter is wholly unusable in the F-250 with an FT-100D when the ignition is on. I was somewhat curious what the common rail stuff and VW TDI stuff would do, but certainly with old school mechanical injection, about all you'll get is alternator whine, and that's only if your radio has poor filtering. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... I'll have to dig it out... I think they obsoleted the three class ticket system years ago though... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > I had a commercial FCC license in the 70's. :) # # *** Then you still have it. They don't expire. # # > # > real hams need to do code... never had time to learn it... :) # # *** Not so much anymore. I don't think any ham license currently requires # more than 5WPM - an agonizingly slow pace - which basically means you # memorized the dots and dashes. # # Our diesels are ideal for HF ( shortwave ) ham radio, because they # have no ignition systems. # # - Jerry Kaidor, KF6VB # # ( Extra, from back when you had to do 20WPM. Also FCC GROL... ) # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... a pi filter along with the right sized cap will eliminate the alternator whine... make sure you have good grounds... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote: # On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 01:12:29PM -0700, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > > real hams need to do code... never had time to learn it... :) # > # > *** Not so much anymore. I don't think any ham license currently requires # > more than 5WPM - an agonizingly slow pace - which basically means you # > memorized the dots and dashes. # > # > Our diesels are ideal for HF ( shortwave ) ham radio, because they # > have no ignition systems. # > # > - Jerry Kaidor, KF6VB # > # > ( Extra, from back when you had to do 20WPM. Also FCC GROL... ) # # 5wpm is pretty slow, slow enough that my really bad code passed it when # that was all the requirement was for general. # # Now, because I have too many irons in the fire, I've never operated below # 50 MHz, which made getting general somewhat pointless in hindsight, but # whatever. # # Those of you who play with both diesels and radios take note: powerstrokes # are a pain to deal with. six meter is wholly unusable in the F-250 with an # FT-100D when the ignition is on. I was somewhat curious what the common # rail stuff and VW TDI stuff would do, but certainly with old school mechanical # injection, about all you'll get is alternator whine, and that's only if your # radio has poor filtering. # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... john wrote: > > I'll have to dig it out... I think they obsoleted the three class ticket system > years ago though... > *** Many many years ago. I got the GROL in 1989, and that was all that was offered at that time. Basically, the FCC stopped licensing everybody except who they absolutely had to license per international treaty. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] stereo indecision... I got my ticket in 1977... worked as a radio announcer for a very short time after I got out of the army the first time... I was bringing the station up one Sunday morning... and forgot my name... I quit the next day... :) So, if I don't remember your name, don't feel bad... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # john wrote: # > # > I'll have to dig it out... I think they obsoleted the three class ticket system # > years ago though... # > # *** Many many years ago. I got the GROL in 1989, and that was all that was # offered at that time. Basically, the FCC stopped licensing everybody except # who they absolutely had to license per international treaty. # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] the next stage... omega is well on his way to a new home... have a very serious bidder... he had relatives come out and test drive him, take a few pictures (with a cell phone, really? ;) anyway, I'm moving on to making an economical 6.5L TD powered blazer... big, boring, blue, blazer.. ho hum... anyway, the heath diesel power folks have come up with an economy chip... I'm swapping the power chip I have now for it. I'm also going to go with the 4" exhaust setup along with the GLE chip and have the BFG Long Trail T/As with raised black letters ordered... going to have them siped as a precaution for improved wet traction. All this 6.5 stuff may eventually find its way into superdawg. :) anyway, here's some of the info on the GLE economy chip, supposed to get 2 mpg more than stock, I know there's a few guys with 6.5s on the lists: from: http://www.heathdiesel.com/P/HDP1638/ Our Low Price: Exchange: $499.00 - Core: $300.00 The exciting new GLE Series, Economy program is rapidly gaining popularity with 6.5er's who wish to reduce consumption of today's higher cost fuel. The GLE has been created to produce the greatest possible efficiency of combustion for maximum utilization of fuel for best economy with excellent drivability. While originally designed to deliver peak fuel economy, the GLE happens also to run quite well, with crisp throttle responce and very good power. It operates virtually smoke-free, another sign of efficiency. The GLE slso features transmission control programming designed to most fully utilize its unique torque output characteristics. You will appreciate GLE's revised Glow-Plug timing program, too. GLE activates the glow plugs for a longer time before the start up and it cycles them for a while after the start for quicker starts and lower emissions during warm up. The mountains of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Utah, and California were the proving ground for the new GLE all playing host to both, empty running and heavy-towing sessions designed to challenge this new programming. We had to know it would do the job for you and there is no better way than to put it to work. The GLE Series excels in delivering fuel economy and it works very well for towing heavy and uphill. This exciting new engine control programming is based on highly refined and totally unique fuel and start of injection timing curves. Engineered as a total-performance engine control program, the GLE delivers a crisp throttle response and exceptional tip-in power along with great fuel mileage. And operation is virtually smoke-free! The new GLE Series features an automatic transmission shift-schedule tailored to control engine speed within its peak torque output range for optimum towing performance. The engine and transmission are directed to function as a team to get you moving and keep you rolling --- even in the most difficult conditions. The GLE is first and foremost the best economy program, however it is very well suited for the heaviest towing or hauling. With it, you can run hard, even up the steepest grades while maintaining an exhaust gas temperature that is safely below GM's prescribed limit. You will be amazed at the stark lack of exhaust smoke and those who are following you will be happy, too! At the same time when fuel costs are increasing, you will enjoy the best possible towing fuel-economy. While the GLE is specifically designed to optimize fuel economy, it happens to deliver an excellent towing performance. Brand: HDP Performance HDP Part Number: #HDP1638 ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:41:39 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] the next stage... As a software test engineer, I'd love to work on the team that came up with that programming. That sounds like a fun gig. It's completely feasible as described, too. It's pretty slick what they can do with engine and transmission control on most cars these days, and I imagine those engineers have learned quite a few new optimizations since your Blazer's programming was created. As for phone cameras, some of them have actually gotten pretty good. It's not uncommon to find 3 or 4 megapixels in a camera phone. AFAIK about a year ago, Nokia was still the largest volume manufacturer of digital cameras. Yes, Nokia, the mobile phone company. Sounds like the Blazer is starting from at least as good a point as Omega was just reaching. That's probably part of why the new one doesn't seem to excite you as much. You seem to prefer greater challenges. One may get more satisfaction from those. ;-) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 6K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:22 PM > To: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list > Subject: [db] the next stage... > > > omega is well on his way to a new home... have a very serious bidder... > he had relatives come out and test drive him, take a few pictures > (with a cell phone, > really? ;) > > anyway, I'm moving on to making an economical 6.5L TD powered blazer... > big, boring, blue, blazer.. ho hum... anyway, the heath diesel > power folks have come > up with an economy chip... I'm swapping the power chip I have now for it. > I'm also going to go with the 4" exhaust setup along with the GLE chip and > have the BFG Long Trail T/As with raised black letters ordered... > going to have > them siped as a precaution for improved wet traction. > > All this 6.5 stuff may eventually find its way into superdawg. :) > > anyway, here's some of the info on the GLE economy chip, supposed to get > 2 mpg more than stock, I know there's a few guys with 6.5s on the lists: > > from: http://www.heathdiesel.com/P/HDP1638/ > > Our Low Price: Exchange: $499.00 - Core: $300.00 > The exciting new GLE Series, Economy program is rapidly gaining > popularity with > 6.5er's who wish to reduce consumption of today's higher cost fuel. > The GLE has been created to produce the greatest possible > efficiency of combustion > for maximum utilization of fuel for best economy with excellent > drivability. > While originally designed to deliver peak fuel economy, the GLE > happens also to > run quite well, with crisp throttle responce and very good power. > It operates virtually smoke-free, another sign of efficiency. > > The GLE slso features transmission control programming designed > to most fully > utilize its unique torque output characteristics. > > You will appreciate GLE's revised Glow-Plug timing program, too. > GLE activates the > glow plugs for a longer time before the start up and it cycles > them for a while > after the start for quicker starts and lower emissions during warm up. > > The mountains of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Utah, and > California were > the proving ground for the new GLE all playing host to both, > empty running and > heavy-towing sessions designed to challenge this new programming. > We had to > know it would do the job for you and there is no better way than > to put it to work. > The GLE Series excels in delivering fuel economy and it works > very well for towing > heavy and uphill. This exciting new engine control programming is > based on highly > refined and totally unique fuel and start of injection timing > curves. Engineered > as a total-performance engine control program, the GLE delivers a > crisp throttle > response and exceptional tip-in power along with great fuel mileage. > And operation is virtually smoke-free! > The new GLE Series features an automatic transmission > shift-schedule tailored > to control engine speed within its peak torque output range for > optimum towing > performance. The engine and transmission are directed to function > as a team to > get you moving and keep you rolling --- even in the most > difficult conditions. > The GLE is first and foremost the best economy program, however > it is very well > suited for the heaviest towing or hauling. With it, you can run > hard, even up the > steepest grades while maintaining an exhaust gas temperature that > is safely below > GM's prescribed limit. You will be amazed at the stark lack of > exhaust smoke > and those who are following you will be happy, too! At the same > time when fuel > costs are increasing, you will enjoy the best possible towing > fuel-economy. > While the GLE is specifically designed to optimize fuel economy, > it happens to > deliver an excellent towing performance. > > Brand: HDP Performance > HDP Part Number: #HDP1638 > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: > 8/16/2008 7:11 AM ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2841 **********************************