From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 3 10:55:02 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, September 3 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2851 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... RE: [db] veggie oil tanks - eat your popcorn... Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:16:07 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... John, I have had a few friends bring in vehicles newer than 25yo, all Land Rover Defender 110's One is a 2005 Land Rover 110, brought into the US in Massachusetts, titled and registered there, than brought to Washington. It currently resides in Kirkland. Had no problems bringing the whole vehicle in. The other is a 2002 Land Rover 110 Dormobile conversion. He bought it through Keith Gott Land Rovers in the UK. They took the drive train out of the vehicle and sold him "Land Rover Parts" and shipped the whole lot in two separate containers going through two separate ports of entry. He re-assembled it here and the vehicle now resides in Oregon. He told me it was a little disconcerting buying a new Land Rover for $36,000 and getting an invoice labeled as parts. About 18 months ago I bought a Land Rover 200tdi engine in the UK and had it air freighted over from the UK. When I went to clear it through customs I had all the paperwork filled out and with me that the EPA required. Customs didn't care and allowed me to clear it right through. Didn't even ask about the EPA stuff. I brought in a vehicle older than 25yo and it was easy as pie. Do everything you can do clear it through customs yourself and not go through a broker. My experience is that the customs agents aren't as picky when they are dealing with the end user. DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this e-mail should be construed that I advocate breaking absolutely ridiculous laws, though I do believe in a strong dose of civil disobedience and the right to bear arms. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:27:35 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] veggie oil tanks - eat your popcorn... > oh, if you guys could save the oil from your popcorn for me... :) > I need the fuel... > > thanx, > john > Oh goody. An excuse to switch back from just microwave or air popping. I'm sure my nutritionist will understand. ;-) (munch, munch) Alec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... what is involved? I'll be looking for a Mercedes 300GD, have seen them advertised on the web in Nederland, so I may go over to the continent to buy it, but will need to drive it for a couple of months in the UK before shipping... I wonder how complicated that will be... assuming of course that I get over there, nothing certain yet... of course if a Diesel Rover should make itself available... or anything Diesel and 4x4... :) I'm not terribly particular, but that should be obvious, I'm driving a Chevy!!! ONLY because it has a Diesel. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # I have had a few friends bring in vehicles newer than 25yo, # all Land Rover Defender 110's # # # # One is a 2005 Land Rover 110, brought into the US in # Massachusetts, titled and registered there, than brought to Washington. # It currently resides in Kirkland. Had no problems bringing the whole # vehicle in. # # # # The other is a 2002 Land Rover 110 Dormobile conversion. He # bought it through Keith Gott Land Rovers in the UK. They took the drive # train out of the vehicle and sold him "Land Rover Parts" and shipped the # whole lot in two separate containers going through two separate ports of # entry. He re-assembled it here and the vehicle now resides in Oregon. # He told me it was a little disconcerting buying a new Land Rover for # $36,000 and getting an invoice labeled as parts. # # # # About 18 months ago I bought a Land Rover 200tdi engine in # the UK and had it air freighted over from the UK. When I went to clear # it through customs I had all the paperwork filled out and with me that # the EPA required. Customs didn't care and allowed me to clear it right # through. Didn't even ask about the EPA stuff. # # # # I brought in a vehicle older than 25yo and it was easy as # pie. # # # # Do everything you can do clear it through customs yourself # and not go through a broker. My experience is that the customs agents # aren't as picky when they are dealing with the end user. # # # # DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this e-mail should be construed that # I advocate breaking absolutely ridiculous laws, though I do believe in a # strong dose of civil disobedience and the right to bear arms. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:27:03 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... Hmm.. Diesel and 4X4... you mean.. something like a Diesel XJ? ;-) Steve On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:16 AM, john wrote: > what is involved? > > I'll be looking for a Mercedes 300GD, have seen them advertised on the > web in Nederland, so I may go over to the continent to buy it, but will > need to drive it for a couple of months in the UK before shipping... I > wonder > how complicated that will be... assuming of course that I get over there, > nothing certain yet... > > of course if a Diesel Rover should make itself available... or anything > Diesel > and 4x4... :) I'm not terribly particular, but that should be obvious, > I'm driving a Chevy!!! ONLY because it has a Diesel. :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: > > # John, > # > # > # > # I have had a few friends bring in vehicles newer than 25yo, > # all Land Rover Defender 110's > # > # > # > # One is a 2005 Land Rover 110, brought into the US in > # Massachusetts, titled and registered there, than brought to Washington. > # It currently resides in Kirkland. Had no problems bringing the whole > # vehicle in. > # > # > # > # The other is a 2002 Land Rover 110 Dormobile conversion. He > # bought it through Keith Gott Land Rovers in the UK. They took the drive > # train out of the vehicle and sold him "Land Rover Parts" and shipped the > # whole lot in two separate containers going through two separate ports of > # entry. He re-assembled it here and the vehicle now resides in Oregon. > # He told me it was a little disconcerting buying a new Land Rover for > # $36,000 and getting an invoice labeled as parts. > # > # > # > # About 18 months ago I bought a Land Rover 200tdi engine in > # the UK and had it air freighted over from the UK. When I went to clear > # it through customs I had all the paperwork filled out and with me that > # the EPA required. Customs didn't care and allowed me to clear it right > # through. Didn't even ask about the EPA stuff. > # > # > # > # I brought in a vehicle older than 25yo and it was easy as > # pie. > # > # > # > # Do everything you can do clear it through customs yourself > # and not go through a broker. My experience is that the customs agents > # aren't as picky when they are dealing with the end user. > # > # > # > # DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this e-mail should be construed that > # I advocate breaking absolutely ridiculous laws, though I do believe in a > # strong dose of civil disobedience and the right to bear arms. > # > # > # > # Cheers, > # > # > # > # Nick > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... hmmm... yes... :) but a manual trans in an xj is bad news for my 5th lumbar, that's why I got rid of my last Diesel XJ... :( automatic trans? :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Hmm.. Diesel and 4X4... you mean.. something like a Diesel XJ? ;-) # Steve # # On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:16 AM, john wrote: # # > what is involved? # > # > I'll be looking for a Mercedes 300GD, have seen them advertised on the # > web in Nederland, so I may go over to the continent to buy it, but will # > need to drive it for a couple of months in the UK before shipping... I # > wonder # > how complicated that will be... assuming of course that I get over there, # > nothing certain yet... # > # > of course if a Diesel Rover should make itself available... or anything # > Diesel # > and 4x4... :) I'm not terribly particular, but that should be obvious, # > I'm driving a Chevy!!! ONLY because it has a Diesel. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # > # > # John, # > # # > # # > # # > # I have had a few friends bring in vehicles newer than 25yo, # > # all Land Rover Defender 110's # > # # > # # > # # > # One is a 2005 Land Rover 110, brought into the US in # > # Massachusetts, titled and registered there, than brought to Washington. # > # It currently resides in Kirkland. Had no problems bringing the whole # > # vehicle in. # > # # > # # > # # > # The other is a 2002 Land Rover 110 Dormobile conversion. He # > # bought it through Keith Gott Land Rovers in the UK. They took the drive # > # train out of the vehicle and sold him "Land Rover Parts" and shipped the # > # whole lot in two separate containers going through two separate ports of # > # entry. He re-assembled it here and the vehicle now resides in Oregon. # > # He told me it was a little disconcerting buying a new Land Rover for # > # $36,000 and getting an invoice labeled as parts. # > # # > # # > # # > # About 18 months ago I bought a Land Rover 200tdi engine in # > # the UK and had it air freighted over from the UK. When I went to clear # > # it through customs I had all the paperwork filled out and with me that # > # the EPA required. Customs didn't care and allowed me to clear it right # > # through. Didn't even ask about the EPA stuff. # > # # > # # > # # > # I brought in a vehicle older than 25yo and it was easy as # > # pie. # > # # > # # > # # > # Do everything you can do clear it through customs yourself # > # and not go through a broker. My experience is that the customs agents # > # aren't as picky when they are dealing with the end user. # > # # > # # > # # > # DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this e-mail should be construed that # > # I advocate breaking absolutely ridiculous laws, though I do believe in a # > # strong dose of civil disobedience and the right to bear arms. # > # # > # # > # # > # Cheers, # > # # > # # > # # > # Nick # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:32:29 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... John, 1) Buy a vehicle that is already available here in the US. If you get a MB 300GD, make sure you buy a model year that was also sold in the US that same year. 2) Be prepared to ship the vehicle as parts and re-assemble under either a title older than 25yo, (i.e. titled as a 1961 Land Rover Series II, but really a 2005 Land Rover Defender 110), or title as a kit car. 3) It is a real hit or miss situation. Importing through Florida or Massachusetts seems to have the least problems. 4) Clearing something through customs is relatively easy. You first hire an importer to ship/import your package. Your package arrives and is help at the shippers in hold waiting for customs inspection. You pick-up paperwork from the importers local office, take it to the shipping facility where it is held, the shipper will give you further papers. Take all this to customs with your proof of purchase. If you're lucky, the customs agent will clear it and stamp your paperwork. If you're not, then you will have to wait for them to inspect it. Once cleared take the paperwork back to the shipper and the shipper will release the package to you. You will have to pay fees to the importer at the delivery site. MAKE CERTAIN IT IS SHIPPED TO A LOCAL PORT! You don't want it to arrive in Long Beach, if you are in Seattle....then you have to pay an agent to clear it through customs and they won't have the invested interest you have in clearing it through, (see earlier post about customs officials being more lenient towards end users). 5) Be prepared to get caught and have to either ship the vehicle back to the country of origin or have the vehicle destroyed. 6) If you're just bringing in an engine, it has to be for a vehicle older than 25yo to not have to meet EPA guidelines. Have the EPA paperwork already completed and the EPA guidelines in hand and your title for your older than 25yo vehicle in case they ask for proof. Odds are the customs officials won't have a clue and will clear your shipment. 7) My recommendation is to go the parts route and only for a model year that was already available here. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... the 300GD was never brought into this country, but they bring the older ones in all the time... I talked to two different folks and I don't recall them going through all this... I wonder if I can track down that one guy... :) there is a lawyer in PA that brings these things over and sells them on ebay... haven't seen one for a little bit though... epa's site is clear, older than 1983, no worries... safety standards are the next issue I would guess... but the 300GD I looked at wasn't modified at all, brought it straight over, didn't even change the windshield... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # 1) Buy a vehicle that is already available here in the US. If # you get a MB 300GD, make sure you buy a model year that was also sold in # the US that same year. # # 2) Be prepared to ship the vehicle as parts and re-assemble # under either a title older than 25yo, (i.e. titled as a 1961 Land Rover # Series II, but really a 2005 Land Rover Defender 110), or title as a kit # car. # # 3) It is a real hit or miss situation. Importing through # Florida or Massachusetts seems to have the least problems. # # 4) Clearing something through customs is relatively easy. You # first hire an importer to ship/import your package. Your package # arrives and is help at the shippers in hold waiting for customs # inspection. You pick-up paperwork from the importers local office, take # it to the shipping facility where it is held, the shipper will give you # further papers. Take all this to customs with your proof of purchase. # If you're lucky, the customs agent will clear it and stamp your # paperwork. If you're not, then you will have to wait for them to inspect # it. Once cleared take the paperwork back to the shipper and the shipper # will release the package to you. You will have to pay fees to the # importer at the delivery site. MAKE CERTAIN IT IS SHIPPED TO A LOCAL # PORT! You don't want it to arrive in Long Beach, if you are in # Seattle....then you have to pay an agent to clear it through customs and # they won't have the invested interest you have in clearing it through, # (see earlier post about customs officials being more lenient towards end # users). # # 5) Be prepared to get caught and have to either ship the vehicle # back to the country of origin or have the vehicle destroyed. # # 6) If you're just bringing in an engine, it has to be for a # vehicle older than 25yo to not have to meet EPA guidelines. Have the # EPA paperwork already completed and the EPA guidelines in hand and your # title for your older than 25yo vehicle in case they ask for proof. Odds # are the customs officials won't have a clue and will clear your # shipment. # # 7) My recommendation is to go the parts route and only for a # model year that was already available here. # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:44:59 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... Most of the stuff I mentioned about taking the vehicle apart, etc had to deal with bringing in a vehicle newer than 25yo. I bought a 1967 Land Rover in 2001 on Vancouver Island and brought it back via the Port Angeles ferry. I showed the customs officers the title and my bill of sale at the PA terminal and they sent me on my way. I had no problems transferring the title with the state DMV. No inspections required. There is a member of my Land Rover club in Oregon that has one of the M-B 300GD in the vintage that you are talking about. Saw it in Portland on Sunday. He couldn't stop talking about it, we all ignored him since it was a British car show, not a German car show. Cheers, Nick - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:34 AM To: Nick Eckert Cc: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] RE: Diesel thoughts... the 300GD was never brought into this country, but they bring the older ones in all the time... I talked to two different folks and I don't recall them going through all this... I wonder if I can track down that one guy... :) there is a lawyer in PA that brings these things over and sells them on ebay... haven't seen one for a little bit though... epa's site is clear, older than 1983, no worries... safety standards are the next issue I would guess... but the 300GD I looked at wasn't modified at all, brought it straight over, didn't even change the windshield... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # 1) Buy a vehicle that is already available here in the US. If # you get a MB 300GD, make sure you buy a model year that was also sold in # the US that same year. # # 2) Be prepared to ship the vehicle as parts and re-assemble # under either a title older than 25yo, (i.e. titled as a 1961 Land Rover # Series II, but really a 2005 Land Rover Defender 110), or title as a kit # car. # # 3) It is a real hit or miss situation. Importing through # Florida or Massachusetts seems to have the least problems. # # 4) Clearing something through customs is relatively easy. You # first hire an importer to ship/import your package. Your package # arrives and is help at the shippers in hold waiting for customs # inspection. You pick-up paperwork from the importers local office, take # it to the shipping facility where it is held, the shipper will give you # further papers. Take all this to customs with your proof of purchase. # If you're lucky, the customs agent will clear it and stamp your # paperwork. If you're not, then you will have to wait for them to inspect # it. Once cleared take the paperwork back to the shipper and the shipper # will release the package to you. You will have to pay fees to the # importer at the delivery site. MAKE CERTAIN IT IS SHIPPED TO A LOCAL # PORT! You don't want it to arrive in Long Beach, if you are in # Seattle....then you have to pay an agent to clear it through customs and # they won't have the invested interest you have in clearing it through, # (see earlier post about customs officials being more lenient towards end # users). # # 5) Be prepared to get caught and have to either ship the vehicle # back to the country of origin or have the vehicle destroyed. # # 6) If you're just bringing in an engine, it has to be for a # vehicle older than 25yo to not have to meet EPA guidelines. Have the # EPA paperwork already completed and the EPA guidelines in hand and your # title for your older than 25yo vehicle in case they ask for proof. Odds # are the customs officials won't have a clue and will clear your # shipment. # # 7) My recommendation is to go the parts route and only for a # model year that was already available here. # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2851 **********************************