From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 8 18:20:48 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, September 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2855 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] fine german sedans... RE: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Re: [db] fine german sedans... [db] injectors [db] W210 dead [db] W210 hood release Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Re: [db] W210 dead Re: [db] W210 dead Re: [db] W210 hood release [db] on the road again... Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) RE: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:16:52 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] fine german sedans... While on the subject of fine German sedans, I have just replaced all 5 injectors with brand new Bosch factory reconditioned parts on my 91 300D. After a bit of cranking the engine fired right up and for a few minutes it sounded like a sewing machine, barely any clatta or hammering, I was thrilled but it did not last long. Now I have intermittend hammer on anvil sounds, louder than what I was trying to cure. My mechanic said I probably had 2 or 3 marginal or bad injectors before, so what gives now that they are all "new"? No leaks, new heat shields, proper torque settings and all the fuel overflow hoses were replaced. I have not driven more than say 30 minutes total on the car since. It still acts like one injector is not working at all (shudders at idle). The IP was factory reconditioned and was working fine except for the overly loud sonic cracks and taka-taka noise on the old injectors. Before I get back under the hood and start de-pressurizing one line at a time, any pointers from the gathered brains on the DB list? Are "factory rebuilt" injectors know to fail out of the box? Do they quite down after a few more miles or a tankfull or two of diesel? I don't really have a game plan at this point other than to take 2 or 3 of the old ones I removed over to the local Bosch rep. and have him clean, test, calibrate and then start doing swaps with any line that shows non-functionality. Grrr. Edward john wrote: > yes, I drove an ,87 witg one, but > they don't get the mpg that the 124 2.5 gets, > and the 2.5 is pretty snappy, faster than > my 6.5 blazer. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Mike Frank wrote: > > # Sure isn't the W210's. Have you tried a W124 with > # a six cylinder diesel? Even more better. > # > # Mike Frank > # > # At 12:26 AM 9/7/2008, john wrote: > # >I'm thinking that the 124 series Mercedes Diesel > # >is the best ever > # >made, anyone offering a better version up? > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:48:12 -0700 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) I have found that the Autolite plugs sold at Autozone are labeled Beru on the plugs inside the Autolite boxes. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:04 AM To: Marc Z Cc: diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Marc Z wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I thought I'd write an update. I finally got to testing the glow > plugs and found 4 out of 5 that were bad. I replaced them and it > cranked right up. > > The problem that I have is that it was only last year that I had > replaced at least 2 of them. Can it be that they're being burned out *** I'm told that the BERU brand plugs last, and the others don't. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fine german sedans... let it idle, crack each line one at a time... sounds like air got into the system... should work it's way out... if you crack an injector line and the engine doesn't change, that injector is suspect. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # While on the subject of fine German sedans, I have just replaced all 5 # injectors with brand new Bosch factory reconditioned parts on my 91 300D. # After a bit of cranking the engine fired right up and for a few minutes it # sounded like a sewing machine, barely any clatta or hammering, I was thrilled # but it did not last long. Now I have intermittend hammer on anvil sounds, # louder than what I was trying to cure. My mechanic said I probably had 2 or # 3 marginal or bad injectors before, so what gives now that they are all # "new"? No leaks, new heat shields, proper torque settings and all the fuel # overflow hoses were replaced. # # I have not driven more than say 30 minutes total on the car since. It still # acts like one injector is not working at all (shudders at idle). The IP was # factory reconditioned and was working fine except for the overly loud sonic # cracks and taka-taka noise on the old injectors. # # Before I get back under the hood and start de-pressurizing one line at a # time, any pointers from the gathered brains on the DB list? # # Are "factory rebuilt" injectors know to fail out of the box? Do they quite # down after a few more miles or a tankfull or two of diesel? # # I don't really have a game plan at this point other than to take 2 or 3 of # the old ones I removed over to the local Bosch rep. and have him clean, test, # calibrate and then start doing swaps with any line that shows # non-functionality. # # Grrr. # # Edward # # john wrote: # > yes, I drove an ,87 witg one, but # > they don't get the mpg that the 124 2.5 gets, # > and the 2.5 is pretty snappy, faster than # > my 6.5 blazer. # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # > # > # Sure isn't the W210's. Have you tried a W124 with # > # a six cylinder diesel? Even more better. # > # # > # Mike Frank # > # # > # At 12:26 AM 9/7/2008, john wrote: # > # >I'm thinking that the 124 series Mercedes Diesel # > # >is the best ever # > # >made, anyone offering a better version up? # > # # > # # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: [db] injectors Bosch injectors are no longer any good. Their nozzles are made in India and are of the original design. Buy Monarks with the new style (DN 265) needle. They stay clean much better, give you better mileage (I get 30 on average half hiway half city streets in my 1982 300CD), and are not prone to the tips of the needles breaking off. I spent the better part of last year wrestling injectors: I bought new Bosch India nozzles, built a pop tester, bought a Bosch cleaning kit, bought a shim kit, bought a spring kit, got tennis elbow torquing injector bodies together. The Monark nozzle can go into the Bosh body with Bosch guts but the Monark injector is of a better design with a much sturdier spring that ought to be far more resistant to metal fatigue than the Bosch spring. You can get Monark from Mercedessource.com or from Sean Watts at 717 Chappell Dr., Apt. A, Raleigh, NC 27606. He does business as Hessian Imports--sorry I lost his email but he is on the Yahoo diesel benz group that I quit when they started discussing cup holders. In the meantime, go to Wally World and buy a big jug of Diesel Klean and use twice as much as the say. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:49:38 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] W210 dead ECU gone. Still has heart, if it only had a brain. I don't think I can take any more of this car. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:24:17 -0400 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: [db] W210 hood release the hood release is busted on the social director's E300D. it's the main handle, i feel no resistance at all. how does one get the hood open under such circumstances? thanks in advance, richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:45:27 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Ok, thanks guys. I have the Bosch plugs. I'll pick up another set from Autozone for next year. I didn't think that Autozone carried them. Marc Z. Greg Fiorentino wrote: > I have found that the Autolite plugs sold at Autozone are labeled Beru on > the plugs inside the Autolite boxes. > > > Greg Fiorentino > '85 300SD > '80 240D 4 spd. manual > '79 300DT (with new crate engine) > '95 and '97 Crown Vics > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:04 AM > To: Marc Z > Cc: diesel-benz list > Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) > > Marc Z wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I thought I'd write an update. I finally got to testing the glow >> plugs and found 4 out of 5 that were bad. I replaced them and it >> cranked right up. >> >> The problem that I have is that it was only last year that I had >> replaced at least 2 of them. Can it be that they're being burned out >> > > *** I'm told that the BERU brand plugs last, and the others don't. > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:55:02 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] W210 dead Mike ECU's dont usually fail outirght unless someone has been messing with the power feed or battery connection without knowing what they are doing. . My experience with GM diesel engines is that the ECU and TCU's were real sensitive to moisture alone or moisture and salt getting into the connectors and doing funny things with the signals (as in shorting or causing crosstalk) which causes the thing to shut down. Before throwing in the towel, check all master connectors going to the ECU box looking for green or white fuzzy stuff. Clean them out completely with deoxit or some other similar (CFC) contact cleaner that won't attack plastic, then re-assemble. Check all fuses and power going to the beast as well. Sometimes what looks like a wire can be a fusible link and it could have popped leaving you without power. Edward Mike Frank wrote: > ECU gone. Still has heart, if it only had a brain. I don't think I > can take any more of this car. > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] W210 dead sorry to hear of all the trouble... expensive cars shouldn't be like this... I mean I could understand if it were British or Italian. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # ECU gone. Still has heart, if it only had a brain. I don't think I can take # any more of this car. # # Mike Frank # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] W210 hood release have had cables go bad on jeeps... if you can locate the place where it opens sometimes a long thin screwdriver can be used activate the mechanism... I'd look where the safety release is... you might need some kind of hook. It would be impossible to get to it from the engine compartment... the only other option might be to see if you can access the cable in the sheath somewhere... let us know how it turns out... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Richard P. Welty wrote: # the hood release is busted on the social director's E300D. # # it's the main handle, i feel no resistance at all. # # how does one get the hood open under such circumstances? # # thanks in advance, # richard # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] on the road again... in Kamloops BC tonight... topped off the tank at $5.35/gallon!!! heading for Glacier tomorrow, then back down to WA. nothing spectacular in the following pictures... just snapshots along the way... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-07-trip-north-Snohomish-to-KamloopsBC/ tomorrow... I'll break out the good camera. :) only managed to get one WJ seat in the blazer before we took off: http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/johns-94-Blazer-6.5/WJ-seats-installed/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) It was my experience that the Monarch glow plugs were crap. ONLY us the BERU brand plugs. You'll find much joy! ;) Jim - --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Marc Z wrote: > From: Marc Z > Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) > To: "diesel-benz list" > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:12 PM > Hello everyone, > > I thought I'd write an update. I finally got to > testing the glow > plugs and found 4 out of 5 that were bad. I replaced them > and it > cranked right up. > > The problem that I have is that it was only last year > that I had > replaced at least 2 of them. Can it be that they're > being burned out > prematurely? The glow plug light does not turn of until > the engine > starts. Anyone know what input causes the light to turn > off? I bought > and installed a new relay box thinking that would fix it > but it didn't. > I'm now thinking that some sensor may not be working. > > Marc Z in NC. > > Kevin wrote: > > yes, you can test using the plug on the firewall. The > nice thing about > > testing there is it also tests the wire leading to the > plug. While they > > don't fail often, it's not something you often > look at as a source of failure. > > > > The series ones were a little easier. On my > brother's old 300D, it was obvious > > where the dead one was by looking at the toaster wires > while it was trying to > > glow that something was wrong. One of the plugs was > missing part of the loop > > in the heating element (!). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) The Autozone stores around here (S.E. Wisconsin) carry them. That's where I got mine. Used to be less than 10 bucks apiece as I recall. But prices must have gone up. According to their website the part # is 1103 and they're $14.99 each now. Ask to see one, take it out of the box and make sure it says BERU on the barrel. Jim - --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > From: Greg Fiorentino > Subject: RE: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) > To: "'Jerome Kaidor'" , "'Marc Z'" > Cc: "'diesel-benz list'" > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 12:48 PM > I have found that the Autolite plugs sold at Autozone are > labeled Beru on > the plugs inside the Autolite boxes. > > > Greg Fiorentino > '85 300SD > '80 240D 4 spd. manual > '79 300DT (with new crate engine) > '95 and '97 Crown Vics > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:04 AM > To: Marc Z > Cc: diesel-benz list > Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) > > Marc Z wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I thought I'd write an update. I finally got to > testing the glow > > plugs and found 4 out of 5 that were bad. I replaced > them and it > > cranked right up. > > > > The problem that I have is that it was only last > year that I had > > replaced at least 2 of them. Can it be that > they're being burned out > > *** I'm told that the BERU brand plugs last, and the > others don't. > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:09:56 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] '83 300TD not starting easy (UPDATED) Hi Jim, Thanks for the info. I just checked on the website for availability. Even though they don't show the quantity available, I'll drop by one on the way home tomorrow. Marc Z in NC. Jim Hoffman wrote: > The Autozone stores around here (S.E. Wisconsin) carry them. That's > where I got mine. Used to be less than 10 bucks apiece as I recall. > But prices must have gone up. According to their website the part # > is 1103 and they're $14.99 each now. Ask to see one, take it out of > the box and make sure it says BERU on the barrel. > > Jim ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2855 **********************************