From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 16 20:06:07 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, September 17 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2866 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Packrat extraordinaire Was: [db] Diesel options [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) RE: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) [db] Re: Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) RE: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:01:17 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: Packrat extraordinaire Was: [db] Diesel options Hmm, the drainage system for the two roofs in V is going to be interesting. Why not put the main beams against the larger structure and append the smaller one to the outside of the new struture? Just asking, I am sure you had a valid reason to risk intermittent flooding ;-) john wrote: > whaddya talkin' about, I can still see the top of your workbench... ;) > > this is what my shop looks like spread across 1/2 acre... :) > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-15-carport-in-process/ > > and I've got more stuff packed into a 8x18 carport than you've > got in your entire 2 car garage! ;) > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/DSC_0253.jpg > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Packrat extraordinaire bar none?? > # > # You guys are amateurs!!! > # > # ;) > # > # http://cid-d82a934ddaef593d.spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-US&partner=Live.Spaces > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Fri, 9/12/08, john wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel options > # > To: "Edward Pomeroy" > # > Cc: "Bruce Caruthers" , "diesel-benz list" > # > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 8:02 PM > # > I didn't even show all the details of what's IN the > # > carport. ;) > # > > # > :) yeah, the sledge got away from me... :) > # > > # > ----- > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > # > rust, they mold > # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > http://wagoneers.com > # > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > # > > # > # Oh man! And I thought I was a packrat extraordinaire bar > # > none, but now I > # > # have a new standard to achieve and can point out to > # > SWMBO that things > # > # are really not THAT bad ....compared to my distant > # > friend John.... heh! > # > # > # > # Send a pic when the monster car port is completed, > # > should be something > # > # to behold. Did the sledge slip and flip onto the doors > # > or was that > # > # intentional? > # > # > # > # Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > # > Apparently you didn't like my old patio glass > # > doors, after > # > # > all? :) > # > # > > # > # > > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/DSC_0249.jpg > # > # > > # > # > -bkc > # > # > Lynnwood, WA > # > # > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # > # > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # > # > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Fri Sep 12, 2008, John Meister wrote: > # > # > > # > # >> any Diesel Powered LHD Grand Cherokees of the > # > WJ variety in my > # > # >> price range over there? ;) '99 - > # > '04... > # > # >> > # > # >> we like our WJ... I think we're going to > # > keep it... thought we were > # > # >> going to get down to two cars... but my wife > # > won't drive the blazer > # > # >> and I'd prefer to drive the benz, but drive > # > the blazer so she doesn't > # > # >> drive the WJ and run up a large gas bill... :) > # > # >> > # > # >> I'm not in love with the Blazer, but it > # > does what I want it to do... > # > # >> does all of what I want... it's what I was > # > trying to do with the Grand > # > # >> Wagoneer, it just lacks style, class and the > # > same feel... > # > # >> > # > # >> thought about maybe a BMW 524td, but they have > # > timing belts and > # > # >> head issues and then I'd have two nice > # > German Diesel sedans > # > # >> that couldn't pull my trailer or get out of > # > the drive in the winter... :) > # > # >> > # > # >> this weekend, rebuilding the carport... > # > # >> > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/09-Sep-12-carport-rebuild/ALL.html > # > # >> > # > # >> when that's done, will put the passenger > # > side WJ seat in the Blazer, > # > # >> then start figuring out a WVO heater setup on > # > the Blazer to run straight > # > # >> filtered waste oil... not fond of the smell of > # > BioDiesel before it's > # > # >> burned, not sure what it is I'm smelling, > # > methanol or lye or what.... ;) > # > # >> > # > # >> john > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:10:58 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally seems to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted clatta and no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors are now very happy as is yours truly. It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) the hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that vibration right up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that hard on the old bones and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in do not exhibit this shake. Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly adjust the timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How high is a new mount when installed and when do you consider the old ones to have perished? Any ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:49:23 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Sounds like a motor mount to me, and if they're original and you've got a bunch of miles on it, that goes double. Others probably have ways of testing, but I usually watch for engine movement while breakstanding the car with the hood up. Helps to have a helper. Some engine mounts (like the ones on a friend's XJ) you can see daylight through, and know they're bad :) On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:10:58PM -0400, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. > > I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally > seems to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted > clatta and no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors > are now very happy as is yours truly. > > It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well > used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... > > The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) > the hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that > vibration right up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that > hard on the old bones and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in > do not exhibit this shake. > > Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly > adjust the timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How > high is a new mount when installed and when do you consider the old ones > to have perished? Any ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. > > Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:42:43 -0700 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Diagnosis motor mounts X2. Don't ignore the 3rd. mount under the trans. They are fairly cheap and not too difficult to DIY. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine)AND new motor mounts!!! '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:49 PM To: Edward Pomeroy Cc: diesel-benz list; john Subject: Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) Sounds like a motor mount to me, and if they're original and you've got a bunch of miles on it, that goes double. Others probably have ways of testing, but I usually watch for engine movement while breakstanding the car with the hood up. Helps to have a helper. Some engine mounts (like the ones on a friend's XJ) you can see daylight through, and know they're bad :) On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:10:58PM -0400, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. > > I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally > seems to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted > clatta and no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors > are now very happy as is yours truly. > > It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well > used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... > > The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) > the hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that > vibration right up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that > hard on the old bones and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in > do not exhibit this shake. > > Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly > adjust the timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How > high is a new mount when installed and when do you consider the old ones > to have perished? Any ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. > > Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) I'd go after the mounts... apply the brakes, have some one look at the mounts from below and give it throttle, the motor will lift up out of it's seat if they're bad... the person looking should be off to one side... unless you don't like them. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # # Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. # I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally seems # to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted clatta and # no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors are now very # happy as is yours truly. # # It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well # used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... # # The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) the # hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that vibration right # up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that hard on the old bones # and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in do not exhibit this shake. # # Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly adjust the # timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How high is a new mount # when installed and when do you consider the old ones to have perished? Any # ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. # # Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) that's how we determined mine were bad... I went to jim startups, he watched while I gunned it... he said he could see the engine rise up... pretty obvious. Hey Paul K, did you figure out the source of that leak yet? was it the downpipe like bruce's? I've been wanting to drive my Benz to work, but have been hauling supplies for the carport... the Blazer seems to be doing much, much better on fuel now... the economy chip and 4" exhaust seem to be doing the trick. :) Even on biodiesel it's doing pretty dang good... we got the rest of the trusses up in the carport tonight and some of the rafters up before the harbor freight nailgun decided to quit working... been pretty happy with it... only using 8d's in it, that's all they had... wanted 16d's... will take it back tomorrow and see if they have any 3-1/2's in now... we should have a roof on the carport before the rain hits on Thursday! PTL! :) My son has been a major help! It works out really well that he's 6' tall too, he's got a lot longer reach than I have, he hardly needs to use a ladder. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Kevin wrote: # Sounds like a motor mount to me, and if they're original and you've got a # bunch of miles on it, that goes double. # # Others probably have ways of testing, but I usually watch for engine movement # while breakstanding the car with the hood up. Helps to have a helper. # # Some engine mounts (like the ones on a friend's XJ) you can see daylight # through, and know they're bad :) # # # On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:10:58PM -0400, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. # > # > I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally # > seems to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted # > clatta and no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors # > are now very happy as is yours truly. # > # > It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well # > used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... # > # > The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) # > the hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that # > vibration right up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that # > hard on the old bones and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in # > do not exhibit this shake. # > # > Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly # > adjust the timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How # > high is a new mount when installed and when do you consider the old ones # > to have perished? Any ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. # > # > Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) true, but make sure you use factory parts... I sold my Grand Wagoneer in part because my friend chose to take the easy way out and use Novak adapters instead of fabricating the correct solution using the GM mounts... I won't make that mistake on SuperDawg... Soon as I get the carport closed in I'm heading down to retrieve my engines/drivelines and truck... :) I think I'll just sit in it and make motor sounds for a month or two.... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # Diagnosis motor mounts X2. Don't ignore the 3rd. mount under the trans. # They are fairly cheap and not too difficult to DIY. # # Greg Fiorentino # '85 300SD # '80 240D 4 spd. manual # '79 300DT (with new crate engine)AND new motor mounts!!! # '95 and '97 Crown Vics # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Kevin # Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:49 PM # To: Edward Pomeroy # Cc: diesel-benz list; john # Subject: Re: [db] Diesel shake 1991300D (same as John's) # # Sounds like a motor mount to me, and if they're original and you've got a # bunch of miles on it, that goes double. # # Others probably have ways of testing, but I usually watch for engine # movement # while breakstanding the car with the hood up. Helps to have a helper. # # Some engine mounts (like the ones on a friend's XJ) you can see daylight # through, and know they're bad :) # # # On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:10:58PM -0400, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > Question on what I think is too much vibration at idle. # > # > I just replaced all 5 injectors with new 2 weeks back. The air finally # > seems to be completely out of the system and it runs with a very muted # > clatta and no hard pings or hammer on anvil sounds, wife and neighbors # > are now very happy as is yours truly. # > # > It also has twice the get up and go it ever had since I bought it (well # > used). Must have been running bad injectors for a long time.... # > # > The issue is that when I pull to a stop and just idle (about 650 RPM) # > the hood and the whole car shakes pretty good, I can feel that # > vibration right up my spine. Something is not right, should not be that # > hard on the old bones and other 4 and 5 cylinder units I have ridden in # > do not exhibit this shake. # > # > Any pointers? Is it possible that I need to just ever so slightly # > adjust the timing? Or do I now have to chase bad engine mounts? How # > high is a new mount when installed and when do you consider the old ones # > to have perished? Any ideas and suggestions on what to check welcome. # > # > Ed is soggy but still warm SW MI. # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2866 **********************************