From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 25 18:46:28 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 26 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2870 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] popcorn ready? [db] worldwide fuel prices Re: [db] worldwide fuel prices RE: [db] popcorn ready? RE: [db] popcorn ready? Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready? this is scary... no opposition... no comments about my sanity... hmmm... maybe I need to rethink this, might not be radical enough. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # http://www.acmeadapters.com/ # # > From: benzaholic-at-gmail.com> To: john-at-wagoneers.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net> # Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready?> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:29:39 -0500> > # Well if you're going to go down that path, why not use a Jeep Wrangler?> In # either case, the smaller vehicle wouldn't have you thinking about how> much # you could tow with the rig, and the lighter weight compared to FSJs> could # make for a better match for the power output.> > I like this idea. An OM617 5 # cylinder turbodiesel in a Wrangler. Although> you'll probably end up using a # 602 or 603 like the one in Shadowfax.> > Alec> > > -----Original Message-----> # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net> > # [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john> > Sent: Wednesday, # September 24, 2008 10:11 PM> > To: undisclosed-recipients:> > Subject: [db] # popcorn ready?> >> >> > ok... was left unsupervised again...> >> > what about # a Mercedes Diesel setup in a Samurai? :) small,> > 4x4... nice little # project...> >> > thoughts?> >> > john> > ----- # _________________________________________________________________ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] worldwide fuel prices so, can we expect lower prices now that the speculators have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar trying to run prices up for personal gain? of course the greenies are whipping this stuff up as well, apparently ignorant of the fact that there is still something like 60 years worth of known oil reserves left... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, michel balea wrote: # Pretty good source of inexpensive parts.... those stepvans. # # as for the price of oil..... waiting for a bubble to burst: # # http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JI19Dj02.html # # Michel # # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com # > To: john-at-wagoneers.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: snohomish monster carport update # > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:46:29 -0700 # > # > Dovebid: # > http://www.dovebid.com/search/searchresults.asp?Query=4bt&ItemStatus=Both # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:49:22 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] worldwide fuel prices I know I just filled my smart up with premium this morning, and pricing in central Texas is back to what it was about a week before Hurricane Ike blew through.It was 3.63.9/gallon. It had jumped to 3.93.9 the day before Ike hit the coast, and it stayed there for about a week. I still had a quarter tank, so I couldn't even fit six gallons. I still end up filling up about once a week, just like I was with the 89 300CE, and while that car also needed premium, the tank was a little bigger. Alec On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:47 PM, john wrote: > so, can we expect lower prices now that the speculators have > been caught with their hands in the cookie jar trying to run > prices up for personal gain? of course the greenies are whipping > this stuff up as well, apparently ignorant of the fact that > there is still something like 60 years worth of known oil reserves left... > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, michel balea wrote: > # Pretty good source of inexpensive parts.... those stepvans. > # > # as for the price of oil..... waiting for a bubble to burst: > # > # http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JI19Dj02.html > # > # Michel > # > # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com > # > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: snohomish monster carport update > # > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:46:29 -0700 > # > > # > Dovebid: > # > > http://www.dovebid.com/search/searchresults.asp?Query=4bt&ItemStatus=Both > # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:12:40 -0500 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready? Thought you may want the easy solution. Allen> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:10:19 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready?> > this is scary...> > no opposition... no comments about my sanity... > > hmmm... maybe I need to rethink this, might not be radical enough. :)> > john> > -----> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461> SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf> http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # http://www.acmeadapters.com/> # > # > From: benzaholic-at-gmail.com> To: john-at-wagoneers.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net>> # Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready?> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:29:39 -0500> >> # Well if you're going to go down that path, why not use a Jeep Wrangler?> In> # either case, the smaller vehicle wouldn't have you thinking about how> much> # you could tow with the rig, and the lighter weight compared to FSJs> could> # make for a better match for the power output.> > I like this idea. An OM617 5> # cylinder turbodiesel in a Wrangler. Although> you'll probably end up using a> # 602 or 603 like the one in Shadowfax.> > Alec> > > -----Original Message----->> # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net> >> # [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john> > Sent: Wednesday,> # September 24, 2008 10:11 PM> > To: undisclosed-recipients:> > Subject: [db]> # popcorn ready?> >> >> > ok... was left unsupervised again...> >> > what about> # a Mercedes Diesel setup in a Samurai? :) small,> > 4x4... nice little> # project...> >> > thoughts?> >> > john> > -----> # _________________________________________________________________> # _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready? why would I start now? ;) I think my wife and son are well into talking me out of this... that and until I sell my J10 or finish redesigning those classes I won't have the money anyway... the Blazer is doing a superb job, boring, but solid... I should probably expend the energy to make a wvo setup work to supplement my biodiesel and not worry about building another rig. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # Thought you may want the easy solution. # # Allen> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:10:19 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: # allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: [db] # popcorn ready?> > this is scary...> > no opposition... no comments about my # sanity... > > hmmm... maybe I need to rethink this, might not be radical # enough. :)> > john> > -----> # -------------------------------------------------------------------------> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> SAVE fuel: # use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461> SAVE power: use # LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf> http://wagoneers.com # http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html> # -------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > # On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # http://www.acmeadapters.com/> # # > # > From: benzaholic-at-gmail.com> To: john-at-wagoneers.com; # diesel-benz-at-digest.net>> # Subject: RE: [db] popcorn ready?> Date: Thu, 25 Sep # 2008 10:29:39 -0500> >> # Well if you're going to go down that path, why not # use a Jeep Wrangler?> In> # either case, the smaller vehicle wouldn't have you # thinking about how> much> # you could tow with the rig, and the lighter weight # compared to FSJs> could> # make for a better match for the power output.> > I # like this idea. An OM617 5> # cylinder turbodiesel in a Wrangler. Although> # you'll probably end up using a> # 602 or 603 like the one in Shadowfax.> > # Alec> > > -----Original Message----->> # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net> # >> # [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john> > Sent: # Wednesday,> # September 24, 2008 10:11 PM> > To: undisclosed-recipients:> > # Subject: [db]> # popcorn ready?> >> >> > ok... was left unsupervised again...> # >> > what about> # a Mercedes Diesel setup in a Samurai? :) small,> > 4x4... # nice little> # project...> >> > thoughts?> >> > john> > -----> # # _________________________________________________________________> # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. # http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 # F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:48:53 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy It's blending. It could theoretically work; you take WVO, a little RUG, (regular unleaded gasoline) and a little of their hocus-pocus chemical (xylene, IIRC) and mix it up and kaBOOM you get a mongrelized biodiesel. I've not tried it, but I've seen other sites that at least say how it's done. It's been discussed on this list before, about 5 years ago. If you want to try it, I'd be very interested to know if it works like they say it does. Understanding chemistry very well, I can see how it could work, and I can see how it could be a load of tripe. Maybe John will try it and settle it once and for all. That'd be great. Jason - -- john wrote: any idea how this stuff works? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ biodiesel costs about $1.30/gal for the methanol/lye, but that's after you spend a grand or two to build up the processor... a wvo conversion setup can be built or bought... building one involves: tank: $150 - $1200 (yes, wide spread, found many suitable marine tanks for as low as $118!) selector valve: $55-80 fuel lines: can get expensive if you use viton - est $75 heater mechanism: lots of options, electric, coolant, in tank, filters, injector lines or some combination - est. $200 temp gauge: $20 so, one could set up a wvo system in ONE vehicle for about $500, spend a grand or so for a biod plant and continue to pay $1.30/gal or buy this magic juice and pay .46/gal... I prefer non-recurring costs... but this alternative item might work for non-converted vehicles in a pinch... thoughts? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Hi John # Here is a link to a Bio-Diesel alternative, take it for what it's worth. # http://www.dieselsecret.com/ # Tom ____________________________________________________________ Stop losing your hair. Click to restore your hair. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifueOYCIX1ld1zV48viJ56CSUpy BabN54USYjrG4tSceCRsr/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:30:04 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy At 10:48 PM +0000 9/25/08, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >It's blending. It could theoretically work; you take WVO, a little RUG, >(regular unleaded gasoline) and a little of their hocus-pocus chemical >(xylene, IIRC) and mix it up and kaBOOM you get a mongrelized biodiesel. I've >not tried it, but I've seen other sites that at least say how it's done. It's >been discussed on this list before, about 5 years ago. Or you could just google it and see the flamewars that have erupted everywhere it is mentioned online. =P I'm OK with John trying it in HIS vehicles but I'll pass. - --chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy john is likely to build a wvo heated tank and use a solenoid valve before he'll start pouring what could very well be snake oil into his tank. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # It's blending. It could theoretically work; you take WVO, a little RUG, # (regular unleaded gasoline) and a little of their hocus-pocus chemical # (xylene, IIRC) and mix it up and kaBOOM you get a mongrelized biodiesel. I've # not tried it, but I've seen other sites that at least say how it's done. It's # been discussed on this list before, about 5 years ago. # # If you want to try it, I'd be very interested to know if it works like they # say it does. Understanding chemistry very well, I can see how it could work, # and I can see how it could be a load of tripe. Maybe John will try it and # settle it once and for all. That'd be great. # # Jason # # -- john wrote: # any idea how this stuff works? # # http://www.dieselsecret.com/ # # biodiesel costs about $1.30/gal for the methanol/lye, but that's after you # spend # a grand or two to build up the processor... # # a wvo conversion setup can be built or bought... # building one involves: # tank: $150 - $1200 (yes, wide spread, found many # suitable marine tanks for as low as $118!) # selector valve: $55-80 # fuel lines: can get expensive if you use viton - est $75 # heater mechanism: lots of options, electric, coolant, in tank, filters, # injector lines or some combination - est. $200 # temp gauge: $20 # # so, one could set up a wvo system in ONE vehicle for about $500, spend a # grand # or so for a biod plant and continue to pay $1.30/gal or buy this magic juice # and pay .46/gal... I prefer non-recurring costs... but this alternative # item might work for non-converted vehicles in a pinch... # # thoughts? # # john # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # Hi John # # Here is a link to a Bio-Diesel alternative, take it for what it's worth. # # http://www.dieselsecret.com/ # # Tom # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Stop losing your hair. Click to restore your hair. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifueOYCIX1ld1zV48viJ56CSUpy # BabN54USYjrG4tSceCRsr/ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel Energy I think he lost me in the description... "kaBOOM" and fuel are not two words that I really feel should go together... :) I've already had the pleasure of taking apart several fuel injection pumps... diaphram, cam type... no reason for further experimentation. :) so, were the flamewars substantative at all explaining why or why not this stuff worked? and you never answered my question if it "smelled" or "sounded" like snake oil. ;) inquiring minds want to know. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # At 10:48 PM +0000 9/25/08, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # >It's blending. It could theoretically work; you take WVO, a little RUG, # >(regular unleaded gasoline) and a little of their hocus-pocus chemical # >(xylene, IIRC) and mix it up and kaBOOM you get a mongrelized biodiesel. # >I've # >not tried it, but I've seen other sites that at least say how it's done. # >It's # >been discussed on this list before, about 5 years ago. # # Or you could just google it and see the flamewars that have erupted # everywhere it is mentioned online. =P # # I'm OK with John trying it in HIS vehicles but I'll pass. # # # # --chuck # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2870 **********************************