From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 1 10:49:39 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, October 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2873 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:38:22 +0200 From: Andreas Kreft Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? On Freedag 26 September 2008, Stephen Rigley hat schrieven: > Thinking about selling our '96 Diesel XJ Sport for something like a '97 > E-Class estate.. (Petrol or diesel), anyone had one of these? Any > comments on it? Well, I've never owned one personally, but my family did. I spent my early teens in a '97 E230 wagon. That engine (I-4, 150hp, 5 speed manual) was absolutely dreadful. It sounded like an electric grater and had no power at all, at any revs. Mileage was somehow average (11l/100km, 26mpg). Do not buy this engine. The car itself did very well, spacy and comfy and all that. We put about 40k (25k miles) on it every year, and when we swapped it for another W210 wagon in 2001, there only had been two mishaps. The interior temperature sensor quit (expensive fix), and the catalytic converter signed off (very expensive fix). Absolutely no rattles, upholstery still looking good at 160k. Late W210 may develop rust underneath the door sills and around the front strut domes, but our early one just didn't. IIRC, these rust problems started around 1999 or 2000. - -- People need good lies. There are too many bad ones. -- Bokonon, "Cat's Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:58:06 +0200 From: Andreas Kreft Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Am Dingsdag 30 September 2008, hest Du schrieven: > Late W210 may develop rust underneath the door sills and around the That should have read "seals". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:04:36 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Great! Thanks for the info, we had a look at the E200, nice car, don't need power in this vehicle so much as it'll be a short commuter mostly. We've started looking at alternatives estates now too.. namely Volvos, Honda HRV 5 door, Saab 95, etc but will most likely come back to the E200. Need to sell the XJ first tho of course. Cheers Steve On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Andreas Kreft wrote: > On Freedag 26 September 2008, Stephen Rigley hat schrieven: > > > Thinking about selling our '96 Diesel XJ Sport for something like a '97 > > E-Class estate.. (Petrol or diesel), anyone had one of these? Any > > comments on it? > > Well, I've never owned one personally, but my family did. I spent my early > teens in a '97 E230 wagon. That engine (I-4, 150hp, 5 speed manual) was > absolutely dreadful. It sounded like an electric grater and had no power > at all, at any revs. Mileage was somehow average (11l/100km, 26mpg). Do > not buy this engine. > > The car itself did very well, spacy and comfy and all that. We put about > 40k (25k miles) on it every year, and when we swapped it for another W210 > wagon in 2001, there only had been two mishaps. The interior temperature > sensor quit (expensive fix), and the catalytic converter signed off (very > expensive fix). Absolutely no rattles, upholstery still looking good at > 160k. > > Late W210 may develop rust underneath the door sills and around the front > strut domes, but our early one just didn't. IIRC, these rust problems > started around 1999 or 2000. > > -- > People need good lies. There are too many bad ones. > -- Bokonon, "Cat's Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:08:29 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Let me explain to you why you've lost your mind. I have a '99 E320 4matic sitting dead in my driveway. I can get it to start, but it will die somewhere down the road...maybe in an hour, maybe half an hour. It's not dependable enough to take to UBetcha Used Cars to sell for fast cash. The road to this point, 76,000 miles long, is littered with spare parts and aggravation. I bought this car brand new from the dealer, and fortunately let my wife talk me into the extended warranty. Among the endless string of heartaches: - - Alternator failed - - Transmission failed - - Rear differential rebuilt due to leaking seals - - Air conditioner fails once a year, usually on the hottest day - - Radio can't receive AM, which I need for traffic reports - - Both catalytic converters replaced, along with all four oxygen sensors - - Air mass sensor replaced - - Outside air temp sensor replaced - - Brakes replaced annually - - Tie rod ends, regularly replaced - - Tires every 20K miles - - Radiator is currently in need of replacement - - Apparently, either the ECU or the crank position sensor is currently in need of replacement - - Both side view mirrors burned. Literally burned, due to faulty heating elements. - - Myriad wiring harness problems. - - Light bulb fail indicator apparently on permanently - - Exhaust heat shields fell away from the car - - Fuel pump failed - - Starter replaced. This required flatbedding to Mercedes dealer, as no mechanic would touch it. - - And, above all, rust, rust, and more rust. This car, as my friend would say, is insufficiently German. I beg you, if you want it, just come by and pick it up. Tell me how much you want to haul it away. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:47:53 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? Whoah... now I see... thats a really terrible history.. I'll look closer at the alternatives (incidently, I saw a Mitsubishi Galant VR4 Estate this morning.. not bad at all..) Steve On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Mike Frank wrote: > Let me explain to you why you've lost your mind. > > I have a '99 E320 4matic sitting dead in my driveway. I can get it to > start, but it will die somewhere down the road...maybe in an hour, maybe > half an hour. It's not dependable enough to take to UBetcha Used Cars to > sell for fast cash. The road to this point, 76,000 miles long, is littered > with spare parts and aggravation. I bought this car brand new from the > dealer, and fortunately let my wife talk me into the extended warranty. > Among the endless string of heartaches: > > - Alternator failed > - Transmission failed > - Rear differential rebuilt due to leaking seals > - Air conditioner fails once a year, usually on the hottest day > - Radio can't receive AM, which I need for traffic reports > - Both catalytic converters replaced, along with all four oxygen sensors > - Air mass sensor replaced > - Outside air temp sensor replaced > - Brakes replaced annually > - Tie rod ends, regularly replaced > - Tires every 20K miles > - Radiator is currently in need of replacement > - Apparently, either the ECU or the crank position sensor is currently in > need of replacement > - Both side view mirrors burned. Literally burned, due to faulty heating > elements. > - Myriad wiring harness problems. > - Light bulb fail indicator apparently on permanently > - Exhaust heat shields fell away from the car > - Fuel pump failed > - Starter replaced. This required flatbedding to Mercedes dealer, as no > mechanic would touch it. > - And, above all, rust, rust, and more rust. > > This car, as my friend would say, is insufficiently German. I beg you, if > you want it, just come by and pick it up. Tell me how much you want to haul > it away. > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Selling XJ for Merc estate? what a great opening... # Let me explain to you why you've lost your mind. This may be one of the best and classic posts... I think the other one is the 240d drag race... :) But that's why we're here... to help one another and to provide some friendly humor... Love this list... great bunch of folks... you don't see interaction like this out on those goofy forums... the 4 rules rule... :) on the AM reception thing... sounds like the alternator... my '91 300D was doing the same thing until I swapped it out... can't remember what the issue was, rectifier I think... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # Let me explain to you why you've lost your mind. # # I have a '99 E320 4matic sitting dead in my driveway. I can get it to start, # but it will die somewhere down the road...maybe in an hour, maybe half an # hour. It's not dependable enough to take to UBetcha Used Cars to sell for # fast cash. The road to this point, 76,000 miles long, is littered with spare # parts and aggravation. I bought this car brand new from the dealer, and # fortunately let my wife talk me into the extended warranty. Among the endless # string of heartaches: # # - Alternator failed # - Transmission failed # - Rear differential rebuilt due to leaking seals # - Air conditioner fails once a year, usually on the hottest day # - Radio can't receive AM, which I need for traffic reports # - Both catalytic converters replaced, along with all four oxygen sensors # - Air mass sensor replaced # - Outside air temp sensor replaced # - Brakes replaced annually # - Tie rod ends, regularly replaced # - Tires every 20K miles # - Radiator is currently in need of replacement # - Apparently, either the ECU or the crank position sensor is currently in # need of replacement # - Both side view mirrors burned. Literally burned, due to faulty heating # elements. # - Myriad wiring harness problems. # - Light bulb fail indicator apparently on permanently # - Exhaust heat shields fell away from the car # - Fuel pump failed # - Starter replaced. This required flatbedding to Mercedes dealer, as no # mechanic would touch it. # - And, above all, rust, rust, and more rust. # # This car, as my friend would say, is insufficiently German. I beg you, if you # want it, just come by and pick it up. Tell me how much you want to haul it # away. # # Mike Frank # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2873 **********************************