From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 7 10:36:00 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, October 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2878 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] 1996-1999 E 300 Diesel RE: [db] Bad rotors RE: [db] Bad rotors RE: [db] Bad rotors RE: [db] Bad rotors Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 1996-1999 E 300 Diesel I think they're ok, just stay away from the 3.5L I-6, that was the problem child. wait for confirmation though, my experience level ends at 1991. ;) quite happy with my 300D with the 2.5L TD. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Rajeev Wijesinghe wrote: # Thanks John!! What about the 92-93 S-Class Diesel? I never considered those 'til I just saw an ad for a 92 300SD. # # > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:07:59 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: jeevis-at-msn.com> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] 1996-1999 E 300 Diesel> > I think I would aim for the '87 to '93 models... but we'll wait> to hear from the resident owner of a '99 model. :) > > I believe I've heard that in the mid-90's benz took a dive in quality...> a few folks on the list have some... JB and Mike for instance...> > john> > -----> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461> SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf> http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Rajeev Wijesinghe wrote:> > # Hello,> # > # My apologies if this is a repeat question.> # > # Unfortunately, my 1983 300 SD had to be retired a few weeks ago. My current> # daily driver is a Ford Five-Hundred, whose lease I can't wait to end in the> # next coming months.> # > # For my next vehicle, I am seriously eyeing a 1996-1999 E300 Diesel as my> # everyday vehicle. Are there any words of wisdom you can share? I really want> # to get back into a Diesel Benz, but want to be sure of what I will get into.> # Are there any items I should be aware of or pay extra attention to? I live in> # Toronto Canada, where as you know, winter temperatures can get very cold - are> # there any of you who drive a 96-99 Diesel in a similar climate? Any expensive> # maintenance items to watch for?> # > # Any words you can share would be greatly appreciated.> # > # Thank you.> # > # Rajeev Wijesinghe> # _________________________________________________________________> # # _________________________________________________________________ # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 05:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 years you got. I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I usually get about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting around 24k/year on my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing either the front or rear every few months! ;) Jim - --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland wrote: > From: Scott Haaland > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > To: "'diesel-benz list'" > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on my 1985 > 190D, and they > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting wobbly > brakes...haven't even > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is this a > manaufacturing > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or something > about the way I > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, or > consistently slamming on my > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, most of the > 15,000 miles > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has been > freeway driving from > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of elevation change > the whole 180 > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put a lot > of miles on, > obviously...) > > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM parts, > and don't even > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in this > case....looks like > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another brand > online now for > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them turned, > replace the pads, > and see what happens....most likely they'll warp again > because they'll have > even less material after a turning...or maybe I should just > order the > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is > probably $15 each, and > maybe they'll last another year before warping again, > if I'm lucky. > > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and > finally bought some slotted rotors and special brake pads > (Hawk > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm getting > some "grabbing" and I > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear drums > because they were > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use some > AutoZone type > brand....should have known better....even so, they were > about $100 > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion for the > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next project.... > > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Masterson > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors > > That usually comes from improper storage in shipping. > > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a big > pile, with rotors on > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I hope > that the place you > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Frank" > To: "diesel-benz list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM > Subject: [db] Bad rotors > > > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. Raybestos. > Not expensive, stil > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not parallel. After > suffering through a > > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new rotors > turned. Fine now. Is it > > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, flat and > parallel? > > > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:44:08 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes and working from home the last few years, so I don't put on very many miles. I was going to say 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I was amazed that it was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about 220,000 miles on it when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you remember John? Would have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only has 258,000. Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've learned a lot through these posts... Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 years you got. I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I usually get about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting around 24k/year on my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing either the front or rear every few months! ;) Jim - --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland wrote: > From: Scott Haaland > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > To: "'diesel-benz list'" > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on my 1985 > 190D, and they > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting wobbly > brakes...haven't even > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is this a > manaufacturing > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or something > about the way I > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, or > consistently slamming on my > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, most of the > 15,000 miles > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has been > freeway driving from > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of elevation change > the whole 180 > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put a lot > of miles on, > obviously...) > > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM parts, > and don't even > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in this > case....looks like > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another brand > online now for > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them turned, > replace the pads, > and see what happens....most likely they'll warp again > because they'll have > even less material after a turning...or maybe I should just > order the > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is > probably $15 each, and > maybe they'll last another year before warping again, > if I'm lucky. > > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and > finally bought some slotted rotors and special brake pads > (Hawk > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm getting > some "grabbing" and I > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear drums > because they were > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use some > AutoZone type > brand....should have known better....even so, they were > about $100 > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion for the > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next project.... > > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Masterson > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors > > That usually comes from improper storage in shipping. > > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a big > pile, with rotors on > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I hope > that the place you > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Frank" > To: "diesel-benz list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM > Subject: [db] Bad rotors > > > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. Raybestos. > Not expensive, stil > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not parallel. After > suffering through a > > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new rotors > turned. Fine now. Is it > > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, flat and > parallel? > > > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors yeah, it was fall of 2003, right? I stumbled on to the '91 300D at aurora auto wrecking, the guy was picking up a part and I liked the color... then his sister gave him a deal he couldn't refuse on an ML. :) I put the slotted rotors on shadowfax after coming back from a class in CA in June 2004... haven't done anything but change front pads about three times since then... he's got almost 260k on him now too... :) my wife has taken it over and I'm driving the 6.5L TD blazer... and dreaming about how I'm going to build up my '83 J10 with some kind of Diesel... maybe a 2.5L TD or 3.0TD i-6 Benz... we'll see... have to do some math and then see what's available... do some more math and then wait... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes and working from home # the last few years, so I don't put on very many miles. I was going to say # 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I was amazed that it # was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about 220,000 miles on it # when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you remember John? Would # have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only has 258,000. # # Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've learned a lot through # these posts... # # Scott # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Jim Hoffman # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM # To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # # 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 years you got. # I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I usually get # about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting around 24k/year on # my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing either the front # or rear every few months! ;) # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland wrote: # # > From: Scott Haaland # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" # > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM # > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on my 1985 # > 190D, and they # > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting wobbly # > brakes...haven't even # > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is this a # > manaufacturing # > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or something # > about the way I # > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, or # > consistently slamming on my # > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, most of the # > 15,000 miles # > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has been # > freeway driving from # > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of elevation change # > the whole 180 # > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put a lot # > of miles on, # > obviously...) # > # > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM parts, # > and don't even # > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in this # > case....looks like # > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another brand # > online now for # > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them turned, # > replace the pads, # > and see what happens....most likely they'll warp again # > because they'll have # > even less material after a turning...or maybe I should just # > order the # > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is # > probably $15 each, and # > maybe they'll last another year before warping again, # > if I'm lucky. # > # > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban # > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and # > finally bought some slotted rotors and special brake pads # > (Hawk # > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm getting # > some "grabbing" and I # > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear drums # > because they were # > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use some # > AutoZone type # > brand....should have known better....even so, they were # > about $100 # > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion for the # > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next project.... # > # > Scott # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # > Behalf Of Paul Masterson # > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM # > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank # > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors # > # > That usually comes from improper storage in shipping. # > # > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a big # > pile, with rotors on # > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I hope # > that the place you # > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. # > # > Paul # > # > # > ----- Original Message ----- # > From: "Mike Frank" # > To: "diesel-benz list" # > # > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM # > Subject: [db] Bad rotors # > # > # > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. Raybestos. # > Not expensive, stil # > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not parallel. After # > suffering through a # > # > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new rotors # > turned. Fine now. Is it # > # > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, flat and # > parallel? # > > # > > Mike Frank # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:22:57 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors So, about 38,000 miles in 5 years...pretty wimpy....avg= ~7600 per year. So, these rotors probably have about 25,000 miles on them. I figure I'm saving a couple of hundred bucks a month by working from home right now...course, I'm probably going to go crazy and loose any social skills I may have had.....but that's just a mild side effect (imagine my head ticking to the left several times) :) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:17 AM To: Scott Haaland Cc: 'diesel-benz list' Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors yeah, it was fall of 2003, right? I stumbled on to the '91 300D at aurora auto wrecking, the guy was picking up a part and I liked the color... then his sister gave him a deal he couldn't refuse on an ML. :) I put the slotted rotors on shadowfax after coming back from a class in CA in June 2004... haven't done anything but change front pads about three times since then... he's got almost 260k on him now too... :) my wife has taken it over and I'm driving the 6.5L TD blazer... and dreaming about how I'm going to build up my '83 J10 with some kind of Diesel... maybe a 2.5L TD or 3.0TD i-6 Benz... we'll see... have to do some math and then see what's available... do some more math and then wait... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes and working from home # the last few years, so I don't put on very many miles. I was going to say # 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I was amazed that it # was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about 220,000 miles on it # when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you remember John? Would # have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only has 258,000. # # Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've learned a lot through # these posts... # # Scott # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Jim Hoffman # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM # To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # # 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 years you got. # I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I usually get # about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting around 24k/year on # my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing either the front # or rear every few months! ;) # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland wrote: # # > From: Scott Haaland # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" # > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM # > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on my 1985 # > 190D, and they # > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting wobbly # > brakes...haven't even # > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is this a # > manaufacturing # > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or something # > about the way I # > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, or # > consistently slamming on my # > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, most of the # > 15,000 miles # > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has been # > freeway driving from # > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of elevation change # > the whole 180 # > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put a lot # > of miles on, # > obviously...) # > # > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM parts, # > and don't even # > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in this # > case....looks like # > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another brand # > online now for # > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them turned, # > replace the pads, # > and see what happens....most likely they'll warp again # > because they'll have # > even less material after a turning...or maybe I should just # > order the # > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is # > probably $15 each, and # > maybe they'll last another year before warping again, # > if I'm lucky. # > # > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban # > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and # > finally bought some slotted rotors and special brake pads # > (Hawk # > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm getting # > some "grabbing" and I # > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear drums # > because they were # > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use some # > AutoZone type # > brand....should have known better....even so, they were # > about $100 # > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion for the # > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next project.... # > # > Scott # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # > Behalf Of Paul Masterson # > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM # > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank # > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors # > # > That usually comes from improper storage in shipping. # > # > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a big # > pile, with rotors on # > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I hope # > that the place you # > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. # > # > Paul # > # > # > ----- Original Message ----- # > From: "Mike Frank" # > To: "diesel-benz list" # > # > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM # > Subject: [db] Bad rotors # > # > # > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. Raybestos. # > Not expensive, stil # > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not parallel. After # > suffering through a # > # > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new rotors # > turned. Fine now. Is it # > # > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, flat and # > parallel? # > > # > > Mike Frank # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2878 **********************************