From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 7 11:38:18 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, October 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2879 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Bad rotors RE: [db] Bad rotors RE: [db] Bad rotors Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors get the power slotted rotors... :) mine are the cross drilled kind and not recommended, but I haven't had any trouble with them... of course I'm not heating the rotors up to glowing on a race track either. :) pads seem to last 1.5 - 2 years... maybe longer... who knows... I've been changing the amsoil out at 17-25k miles... brakes last longer than that it seems... :) I get to work from home one day a week... interesting... managing a lab remotely... but it works. with a 10 mile one way commute it saves about a gallon and a half of BioDiesel a week. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # So, about 38,000 miles in 5 years...pretty wimpy....avg= ~7600 per year. # So, these rotors probably have about 25,000 miles on them. # # I figure I'm saving a couple of hundred bucks a month by working from home # right now...course, I'm probably going to go crazy and loose any social # skills I may have had.....but that's just a mild side effect (imagine my # head ticking to the left several times) :) # # Scott # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:17 AM # To: Scott Haaland # Cc: 'diesel-benz list' # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # # yeah, it was fall of 2003, right? I stumbled on to the '91 300D # at aurora auto wrecking, the guy was picking up a part and I liked # the color... then his sister gave him a deal he couldn't refuse on an ML. :) # # I put the slotted rotors on shadowfax after coming back from a class # in CA in June 2004... haven't done anything but change front pads # about three times since then... he's got almost 260k on him now too... :) # # my wife has taken it over and I'm driving the 6.5L TD blazer... and # dreaming about how I'm going to build up my '83 J10 with some kind # of Diesel... maybe a 2.5L TD or 3.0TD i-6 Benz... we'll see... have # to do some math and then see what's available... do some more math # and then wait... ;) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # # # Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes and working from # home # # the last few years, so I don't put on very many miles. I was going to # say # # 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I was amazed that # it # # was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about 220,000 miles on # it # # when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you remember John? # Would # # have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only has 258,000. # # # # Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've learned a lot through # # these posts... # # # # Scott # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] # On # # Behalf Of Jim Hoffman # # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM # # To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland # # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # # # # 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 years you got. # # I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I usually get # # about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting around 24k/year on # # my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing either the front # # or rear every few months! ;) # # # # Jim # # # # --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland wrote: # # # # > From: Scott Haaland # # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" # # > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM # # > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on my 1985 # # > 190D, and they # # > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting wobbly # # > brakes...haven't even # # > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is this a # # > manaufacturing # # > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or something # # > about the way I # # > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, or # # > consistently slamming on my # # > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, most of the # # > 15,000 miles # # > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has been # # > freeway driving from # # > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of elevation change # # > the whole 180 # # > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put a lot # # > of miles on, # # > obviously...) # # > # # > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM parts, # # > and don't even # # > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in this # # > case....looks like # # > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another brand # # > online now for # # > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them turned, # # > replace the pads, # # > and see what happens....most likely they'll warp again # # > because they'll have # # > even less material after a turning...or maybe I should just # # > order the # # > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is # # > probably $15 each, and # # > maybe they'll last another year before warping again, # # > if I'm lucky. # # > # # > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban # # > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and # # > finally bought some slotted rotors and special brake pads # # > (Hawk # # > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm getting # # > some "grabbing" and I # # > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear drums # # > because they were # # > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use some # # > AutoZone type # # > brand....should have known better....even so, they were # # > about $100 # # > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion for the # # > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next project.... # # > # # > Scott # # > -----Original Message----- # # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # # > Behalf Of Paul Masterson # # > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM # # > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank # # > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors # # > # # > That usually comes from improper storage in shipping. # # > # # > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a big # # > pile, with rotors on # # > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I hope # # > that the place you # # > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. # # > # # > Paul # # > # # > # # > ----- Original Message ----- # # > From: "Mike Frank" # # > To: "diesel-benz list" # # > # # > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM # # > Subject: [db] Bad rotors # # > # # > # # > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. Raybestos. # # > Not expensive, stil # # > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not parallel. After # # > suffering through a # # > # # > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new rotors # # > turned. Fine now. Is it # # > # # > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, flat and # # > parallel? # # > > # # > > Mike Frank # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors Um, yeah, I'm trying to figure out a way to work from home myself! Enjoy it while you can. I travel 60 miles a day for work. Would like to cut that down... Jim - --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Scott Haaland wrote: > From: Scott Haaland > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > To: "'diesel-benz list'" > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 12:22 PM > So, about 38,000 miles in 5 years...pretty wimpy....avg= > ~7600 per year. > So, these rotors probably have about 25,000 miles on them. > > I figure I'm saving a couple of hundred bucks a month > by working from home > right now...course, I'm probably going to go crazy and > loose any social > skills I may have had.....but that's just a mild side > effect (imagine my > head ticking to the left several times) :) > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of john > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:17 AM > To: Scott Haaland > Cc: 'diesel-benz list' > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > > yeah, it was fall of 2003, right? I stumbled on to the > '91 300D > at aurora auto wrecking, the guy was picking up a part and > I liked > the color... then his sister gave him a deal he > couldn't refuse on an ML. :) > > I put the slotted rotors on shadowfax after coming back > from a class > in CA in June 2004... haven't done anything but change > front pads > about three times since then... he's got almost 260k on > him now too... :) > > my wife has taken it over and I'm driving the 6.5L TD > blazer... and > dreaming about how I'm going to build up my '83 J10 > with some kind > of Diesel... maybe a 2.5L TD or 3.0TD i-6 Benz... we'll > see... have > to do some math and then see what's available... do > some more math > and then wait... ;) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > SAVE power: use LINUX: > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ > http://freegift.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes > and working from > home > # the last few years, so I don't put on very many > miles. I was going to > say > # 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I > was amazed that > it > # was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about > 220,000 miles on > it > # when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you > remember John? > Would > # have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only > has 258,000. > # > # Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've > learned a lot through > # these posts... > # > # Scott > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] > On > # Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM > # To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland > # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > # > # 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 > years you got. > # I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I > usually get > # about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting > around 24k/year on > # my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing > either the front > # or rear every few months! ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland > wrote: > # > # > From: Scott Haaland > # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors > # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" > > # > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM > # > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on > my 1985 > # > 190D, and they > # > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting > wobbly > # > brakes...haven't even > # > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is > this a > # > manaufacturing > # > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or > something > # > about the way I > # > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, > or > # > consistently slamming on my > # > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, > most of the > # > 15,000 miles > # > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has > been > # > freeway driving from > # > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of > elevation change > # > the whole 180 > # > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put > a lot > # > of miles on, > # > obviously...) > # > > # > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM > parts, > # > and don't even > # > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in > this > # > case....looks like > # > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another > brand > # > online now for > # > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them > turned, > # > replace the pads, > # > and see what happens....most likely they'll > warp again > # > because they'll have > # > even less material after a turning...or maybe I > should just > # > order the > # > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is > # > probably $15 each, and > # > maybe they'll last another year before warping > again, > # > if I'm lucky. > # > > # > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban > # > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and > # > finally bought some slotted rotors and special > brake pads > # > (Hawk > # > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm > getting > # > some "grabbing" and I > # > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear > drums > # > because they were > # > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use > some > # > AutoZone type > # > brand....should have known better....even so, they > were > # > about $100 > # > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion > for the > # > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next > project.... > # > > # > Scott > # > -----Original Message----- > # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > # > Behalf Of Paul Masterson > # > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM > # > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank > # > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors > # > > # > That usually comes from improper storage in > shipping. > # > > # > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a > big > # > pile, with rotors on > # > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I > hope > # > that the place you > # > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. > # > > # > Paul > # > > # > > # > ----- Original Message ----- > # > From: "Mike Frank" > > # > To: "diesel-benz list" > # > > # > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM > # > Subject: [db] Bad rotors > # > > # > > # > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. > Raybestos. > # > Not expensive, stil > # > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not > parallel. After > # > suffering through a > # > > # > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new > rotors > # > turned. Fine now. Is it > # > > # > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, > flat and > # > parallel? > # > > > # > > Mike Frank > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors ouch. 60 miles... that's my entire weekly commute... problem is one never just drives to and from work... there's those WVO runs, the runs to taco bell/teriyaki/golden arches/grocery store/hardware, etc... :) but that's why we love our Diesels... one can afford to rack up all those miles... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold SAVE fuel: use synthetics: http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 SAVE power: use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ http://freegift.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Um, yeah, I'm trying to figure out a way to work from home myself! # Enjoy it while you can. I travel 60 miles a day for work. Would # like to cut that down... # # Jim # # --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Scott Haaland wrote: # # > From: Scott Haaland # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" # > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 12:22 PM # > So, about 38,000 miles in 5 years...pretty wimpy....avg= # > ~7600 per year. # > So, these rotors probably have about 25,000 miles on them. # > # > I figure I'm saving a couple of hundred bucks a month # > by working from home # > right now...course, I'm probably going to go crazy and # > loose any social # > skills I may have had.....but that's just a mild side # > effect (imagine my # > head ticking to the left several times) :) # > # > Scott # > # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # > Behalf Of john # > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:17 AM # > To: Scott Haaland # > Cc: 'diesel-benz list' # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > # > yeah, it was fall of 2003, right? I stumbled on to the # > '91 300D # > at aurora auto wrecking, the guy was picking up a part and # > I liked # > the color... then his sister gave him a deal he # > couldn't refuse on an ML. :) # > # > I put the slotted rotors on shadowfax after coming back # > from a class # > in CA in June 2004... haven't done anything but change # > front pads # > about three times since then... he's got almost 260k on # > him now too... :) # > # > my wife has taken it over and I'm driving the 6.5L TD # > blazer... and # > dreaming about how I'm going to build up my '83 J10 # > with some kind # > of Diesel... maybe a 2.5L TD or 3.0TD i-6 Benz... we'll # > see... have # > to do some math and then see what's available... do # > some more math # > and then wait... ;) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > SAVE fuel: use synthetics: # > http://www.AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > SAVE power: use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com http://gunbanobama.com/ # > http://freegift.com # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # > # > # Yeah...I've had the privilege of very short commutes # > and working from # > home # > # the last few years, so I don't put on very many # > miles. I was going to # > say # > # 1.5 years until I tracked down the online receipt, and I # > was amazed that # > it # > # was 3.5 years ago....time flies... The car had about # > 220,000 miles on # > it # > # when I bought it from John back in 2003 or 2004 (do you # > remember John? # > Would # > # have been just after you got Shadowfax)....now it only # > has 258,000. # > # # > # Thanks Mike, Roy, Alec, Jim for the replies....I've # > learned a lot through # > # these posts... # > # # > # Scott # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] # > On # > # Behalf Of Jim Hoffman # > # Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:34 AM # > # To: 'diesel-benz list'; Scott Haaland # > # Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > # # > # 10 years?!?! My gosh, I'd be happy with the 3.5 # > years you got. # > # I think it depends more on how many miles are driven. I # > usually get # > # about 60k on a set of pads/rotors. I'm putting # > around 24k/year on # > # my Caravan. With 276,000 miles it seems I'm doing # > either the front # > # or rear every few months! ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Scott Haaland # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: Scott Haaland # > # > Subject: RE: [db] Bad rotors # > # > To: "'diesel-benz list'" # > # > # > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:54 PM # > # > I replaced my front rotors about 3.5 years ago on # > my 1985 # > # > 190D, and they # > # > were great out of the box, but now I'm getting # > wobbly # > # > brakes...haven't even # > # > changed the pads once yet. Now I have to ask, is # > this a # > # > manaufacturing # > # > defect, something wrong with my brake system, or # > something # > # > about the way I # > # > drive? I don't do a lot of mountain driving, # > or # > # > consistently slamming on my # > # > brakes over and over to heat them up. In fact, # > most of the # > # > 15,000 miles # > # > (probably at least 8 to 10K) on these rotors has # > been # > # > freeway driving from # > # > Sacramento to Fresno....hardly 100 feet of # > elevation change # > # > the whole 180 # > # > miles....flat, and boring.... (BTW: I don't put # > a lot # > # > of miles on, # > # > obviously...) # > # > # > # > I bought them on-line and I usually try to get OEM # > parts, # > # > and don't even # > # > order the cheapest option usually (but may have in # > this # > # > case....looks like # > # > they were about $27.40 each, and there is another # > brand # > # > online now for # > # > $42.54 each (premium)). I'll probably get them # > turned, # > # > replace the pads, # > # > and see what happens....most likely they'll # > warp again # > # > because they'll have # > # > even less material after a turning...or maybe I # > should just # > # > order the # > # > premium ones and be done for 10 years?? Turning is # > # > probably $15 each, and # > # > maybe they'll last another year before warping # > again, # > # > if I'm lucky. # > # > # > # > BTW: I was having this problem with the suburban # > # > (96,K2500,4x4,6.5L TD), and # > # > finally bought some slotted rotors and special # > brake pads # > # > (Hawk # > # > SuperDuty)...they've been good but now I'm # > getting # > # > some "grabbing" and I # > # > have to toubleshoot that.... Replaced the rear # > drums # > # > because they were # > # > wobbling, and now they are wobbling again too...use # > some # > # > AutoZone type # > # > brand....should have known better....even so, they # > were # > # > about $100 # > # > each....I've heard you can do a disc conversion # > for the # > # > rear....hmmmm...maybe that's my next # > project.... # > # > # > # > Scott # > # > -----Original Message----- # > # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # > # > Behalf Of Paul Masterson # > # > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 AM # > # > To: diesel-benz list; Mike Frank # > # > Subject: Re: [db] Bad rotors # > # > # > # > That usually comes from improper storage in # > shipping. # > # > # > # > If they are stacked on their side, or shipped in a # > big # > # > pile, with rotors on # > # > top of rotors for a long time, you can see that. I # > hope # > # > that the place you # > # > purchased the rotors from turned them for free. # > # > # > # > Paul # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- Original Message ----- # > # > From: "Mike Frank" # > # > # > To: "diesel-benz list" # > # > # > # > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:25 PM # > # > Subject: [db] Bad rotors # > # > # > # > # > # > >I bought a new set of rotors for the wagon. # > Raybestos. # > # > Not expensive, stil # > # > >a name brand. Guess what? Not flat, not # > parallel. After # > # > suffering through a # > # > # > # > >week of juddering brakes, I had my brand new # > rotors # > # > turned. Fine now. Is it # > # > # > # > >too much to ask for new rotors to be round, # > flat and # > # > parallel? # > # > > # > # > > Mike Frank # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2879 **********************************