From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 7 09:12:25 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, November 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2897 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] fuel costs and misadventures with grease... [db] fuel cost WVO Biodiesel [db] dude, a vega Re: [db] dude, a vega Re: [db] dude, a vega [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans Re: [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans Re: [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans [db] WJ Diesel conversion. Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fuel costs and misadventures with grease... switched it over to amsoil synthetic when I got it... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Don't forget the transmission fluid, or you'll have a great engine that can't # turn the wheels. # # Ask me how I know this!!! # # Jason # # -------------------- # plenty of time, the Benz "only" has 254,000 miles on it and not a single # issue... # oil change every 15 to 20 thousand miles, front brake pads every 20 to # 30 thousand miles and a tank of go-juice once every 500 or 600 miles and it's # happy... # # _____________________________________________________________ # Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifeLf4FjV2jtLqhabeKGi8CpuAF # Zw9ycJ07FLZJ8hSmW2usX/?count=1234567890 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:10:03 -0500 From: Wiard Pless Subject: [db] fuel cost WVO Biodiesel John, a consideration should also the trouble you could encounter with veg. diesel fuel: leaking fuel line, clocked fuel line and filters esp. during winter months leaking injector pump and wear on injectors longevity of engine and if you get stranded at the road side away from home sure , would like to save money as well but but may be it is time to consider a smaller car with better fuel economy. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] dude, a vega there's a vega for sale! http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/908477180.html wow. I thought they all rusted or fell apart years and years ago... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:26:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] dude, a vega > there's a vega for sale! > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/908477180.html > > wow. I thought they all rusted or fell apart years and years ago... :) *** I remember the cylinder heads used to get stuck really REALLY bad. I think the studs were slanted and the head or block was aluminum, so there was dissimilar metal corrosion. And it had some goofy gizmos on the side of the engine for adjusting the valves. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] dude, a vega > there's a vega for sale! > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/908477180.html > > wow. I thought they all rusted or fell apart years and years ago... :) *** I remember the cylinder heads used to get stuck really REALLY bad. I think the studs were slanted and the head or block was aluminum, so there was dissimilar metal corrosion. And it had some goofy gizmos on the side of the engine for adjusting the valves. *** Whups, now that I think of it, that might have been the Trimph TR7.... - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 WJ. There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage 2.5/3.0 TD from a Mercedes... the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L V8. I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues whatsoever... Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 in the WJs). What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead 4.7? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:18:27 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans John There is a complete 1991 300D turbo sitting on a lot near me (SW MI) for $1900 or so. Has minor rust on the panels below the doors but runs (or it did 5 moths back when I went to look at it). Has been on his lot for a long time, he might dicker. It is a local farmer who sells used cars on the side...... john wrote: > I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 WJ. > > There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage 2.5/3.0 TD from > a Mercedes... > > the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L V8. > > I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues whatsoever... > > Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the 4.0 in the WJs). > > What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead 4.7? > > thanx, > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '99 Grand Cherokee - engine/trans that's a great price... I wonder if he'd pull the engine/trans and ship them to me? of course it'll cost about the same to ship the engine/trans as the entire car... so I'd be into it about $3k total... something to consider... thanx! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # John # # There is a complete 1991 300D turbo sitting on a lot near me (SW MI) for # $1900 or so. Has minor rust on the panels below the doors but runs (or it # did 5 moths back when I went to look at it). Has been on his lot for a long # time, he might dicker. It is a local farmer who sells used cars on the # side...... # # john wrote: # > I'm looking at what engine will mate up to the 45RFE transmission in a '99 # > WJ. # > # > There are a lot of dead WJs out there... thinking a 603/602 '87-'92 vintage # > 2.5/3.0 TD from # > a Mercedes... # > # > the wrecking yards want nearly $2400 for a used engine to replace the 4.7L # > V8. # > # > I don't know why these things are failing... I've had two, no issues # > whatsoever... # > # > Anwyay, would a 4.0L bolt up to the 45rfe? (they used the 42re with the # > 4.0 in the WJs). # > # > What other Diesel, or economical gas engine could I use to replace a dead # > 4.7? # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] WJ Diesel conversion. A bit of research last night revealed that the Liberty Diesels will work. They were mated to the 45rfe and 545rfe transmissions. The concerns I have are related to the computers... this isn't like wiring in a fuel solenoid or a distributer to make it work, everything on these newer engines is controlled by the computer. I don't know if I could install a mechanical injection pump to bypass computers or not. Mating a KJ/CRD wiring to a WJ/4.7L V8 might not be possible. I'm not afraid of electronics or computers and if I had the data on inputs/outputs and electrical requirements could design and build an interface or computer system to make it all work. Getting that kind of information could prove impossible. The other option is to go with a Mercedes Diesel and mate it to the 45rfe, if possible. Otherwise get the 602/603 (2.5 I-5/3.0 I-6) with it's auto trans and fabricate a divorced transfer case mount into the Jeep NV247. If I have enough length. I've offered $1,500 for this WJ: http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/1999-Limited-needs-engine/dead-wj.html I'm thinking it'll be less expensive, and less trouble to put a Diesel in my '83 J10. I've located a couple of 4.7L v8's for $2,500, I'd be into it about 5k after swapping and fixing... not sure I could sell it for that and not sure I could afford to drive it. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2897 **********************************