From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Dec 4 19:57:36 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, December 5 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2924 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Cheap Gas Re: [db] Cheap Gas Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Re: [db] Cheap Gas Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:28:02 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Cheap Gas Filled up diesel today at 2.579/gal and the gasoline price at the same pump was 1.619, not bad and it looks like the barrel of oil may go below $40 if it has not already done so. Kevin wrote: > $1.67 for 87 octane and $2.39 for diesel in stockton, tack on about > twenty cents a gallon for walnut creek. It certainly pays to get gas > before heading up the hill, about $2 for 87 and $2.50 for diesel up > the hill. > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:06:18AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > >> *** Valero in Menlo Park on Marsh Road. $1.86/gallon! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Cheap Gas so, if we do the math... that's about 4.08 euros / gallon... for Diesel... what's the exchange rate? :) xe.com sez: 4.08 EUR = $ 5.18386 USD Euro United States Dollars 1 EUR = 1.27055 USD 1 USD = 0.787058 EUR I'll take our recent price of $2.69 with pleasure... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote: # On Middeweken 03 Dezember 2008, john hat schrieven: # # Regular and premium are at 1,129 euros per liter in the Cologne / Bonn # area. Premium goes for 1,209. Diesel is strikingly low at 1,079. This is # quite a sensation here, the last time prices were so low was in early # 2005. # # > gas was 1.81 at costco in everett... # > I think Diesel is at 2.69 at safeway/shell # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Saw diesel $2.629 yesterday. (S.E. Wisconsin) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Kevin wrote: # > # # > # > From: Kevin # > # > Subject: Re: [db] Cheap Gas # > # > To: "Jerome Kaidor" # > # > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 2:49 PM # > # > $1.67 for 87 octane and $2.39 for diesel in stockton, tack # > # > on about # > # > twenty cents a gallon for walnut creek. It certainly pays # > # > to get gas # > # > before heading up the hill, about $2 for 87 and $2.50 for # > # > diesel up # > # > the hill. # > # > # > # > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:06:18AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor # > # > wrote: # > # > > *** Valero in Menlo Park on Marsh Road. # > # > $1.86/gallon! # > # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question I don't believe that a dodge will turn within a 25' "curb to curb" distance... I think I need to have someone draw pictures and explain this to me again... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Most of the manufacturers are actually talking about curb to curb or the # diameter of the circle. I have seen them call it turning radius # erroneously too many times in literature and it is very confusing. 25' # is the curb to curb distance which makes a lot more sense than # talking about radii. # # Jim Hoffman wrote: # > I think my first reply to this got lost before it left my computer! # > # > ;) # > # > Here's where I found the data: # > # > http://autos.aol.com/cars-Dodge-Ram+2500-1999/specs # > # > Just use the dropdowns to find the specs on other makes/models... # > # > Jim # > # > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, john wrote: # > # > # >> From: john # >> Subject: [db] turning diameter/circle question # >> To: "Jim Hoffman" # >> Cc: "full size jeep list" , "xj-list" , WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com, "diesel-benz list" # >> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:11 PM # >> Jim found this info: # >> # As for how many football fields are necessary, I found # >> these numbers: # >> # Make Wheelbase Overall length Turning # >> Radius # >> # GC 105.9" 181.5" # >> 18.7' # >> # RAM 154.7" 244" # >> 25.8' # >> # >> are you sure about the turning circle? # >> 28 feet?.. or was that the length? :) # >> # >> the '99-'04 WJ has a turning diameter/circle of # >> 37.4 ft. # >> the '94 blazer (IFS)has a 41.5' turning circle... # >> # >> shoot, even the 190Ds take 32-38 feet... # >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesels.html # >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/dimensions-K1500-SJ-and-others.txt # >> http://www.wjjeeps.com/dimensions.htm # >> # >> you're saying that big dodge has a smaller turning # >> diameter # >> than the Blazer with 106" wb or the WJ or a 190D??? # >> # >> what GC has a turning radius of 18 feet??? what year? # >> all GCs are not the same... there was the ZJ, WJ and now # >> WK. # >> the ZJ was a bit larger than an XJ... # >> # >> Jim, your data is a bit suspect... :) # >> if I recall correctly even a Grand Wagoneer/J10 turns in # >> the 35ft range... # >> # >> are you sure that dodge doesn't have four wheel # >> steering too? or # >> was the website in metric? :) # >> # >> john # >> ----- # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # >> rust, they mold # >> http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # >> http://freegift.com # >> SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # >> http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # >> SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> # >> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # >> # >> # Sorry, didn't notice the question about the truck... # >> # # >> # They keep refining that Cummins every year. I'd # >> look for a newer # >> # one myself. Mine is the first year of the 24 valve but # >> a late # >> # 12 valve would be nice also. I'd look between # >> around '98 and '03. # >> # The "Gen 2" trucks are '94-'01. The # >> "Gen 3" trucks are '02-'08 and # >> # the new ones are "Gen 4" trucks. # >> # # >> # I like the styling of the Gen 2 trucks and they are in # >> my price # >> # range! ;) # >> # # >> # As for how many football fields are necessary, I found # >> these numbers: # >> # Make Wheelbase Overall length Turning # >> Radius # >> # GC 105.9" 181.5" # >> 18.7' # >> # RAM 154.7" 244" # >> 25.8' # >> # # >> # But come on, the wheelbase alone on the RAM is almost as # >> much as # >> # the overall length of the GC!! ;) If you want an # >> extended cab # >> # pickup you're going to have to accept a wider # >> turning radius. I # >> # don't think there's any way around that. # >> # # >> # If you're serious, check out # >> www.dodgetalk.com/forums/ # >> # Jim # >> # > # One football field will do just fine ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:07:47 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question Come down here and drive mine. Mine's a crew cab dually, and that seems in the ballpark. It's great until you're in 4-LO and granny first at full lock, great way to trash an axle u-joint from the extreme angle and more extreme torque. On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:07:15PM -0800, john wrote: > I don't believe that a dodge will turn within a 25' "curb to curb" distance... > > I think I need to have someone draw pictures and explain this to me again... :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question maybe we could meet in medford again... but let's wait until the rainy season is over... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Kevin wrote: # Come down here and drive mine. Mine's a crew cab dually, and that seems in the # ballpark. It's great until you're in 4-LO and granny first at full lock, great # way to trash an axle u-joint from the extreme angle and more extreme torque. # # On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:07:15PM -0800, john wrote: # > I don't believe that a dodge will turn within a 25' "curb to curb" distance... # > # > I think I need to have someone draw pictures and explain this to me again... :) # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question if you were to follow me around for a couple of days you might understand... :) I'm sitting in front of three monitors right now, my blackberry is vibrating letting me know yet another work email arrived... and I'm trying to log off for the day... when I get home I have to finish designing two more network courses for the university... have a truck waiting to be repaired, waiting for a ballast for the stainless steel hood vent, a timer for the washer and a bulb for the range top... just finished reprinting a bunch of 8x10s from the wedding in october and tomorrow I get to serve tables at a christmas dinner... and I need to figure out how to efficiently resize 10mp images to 2424x3030 so they print properly as 8x10s... and that's all pretty much within the last hour... excluding of course the 15 to 20 emails covering radii, curb-to-curb, years of panels, horsepower, axle ratios, wheelbases and which episode of lost is airing on g4 or the scifi channel... oh, and I have to pick up a pizza on the way home... ...if I can only remember WHERE I parked after lunch, and WHAT I drove... ;) I think I have the WJ... drove the K1500 yesterday... wife had the 300D... good thing only 3 vehicles are working right now, have a chance of finding my ride home this way. ;) if only my life were simple enough to only worry about one thing at a time... I'd probably be bored out of my ever-loving mind... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # I don't see the issue here. His table lists radius, you refer to the # more common diameter. Double his figures, and I get your figures. # Am I missing something, or do you just have too many options and # numbers running through your head right now to see straight? ;-) # # Alec # # On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:11 PM, john wrote: # > Jim found this info: # > # As for how many football fields are necessary, I found these numbers: # > # Make Wheelbase Overall length Turning Radius # > # GC 105.9" 181.5" 18.7' # > # RAM 154.7" 244" 25.8' # > # > are you sure about the turning circle? # > 28 feet?.. or was that the length? :) # > # > the '99-'04 WJ has a turning diameter/circle of 37.4 ft. # > the '94 blazer (IFS)has a 41.5' turning circle... # > # > shoot, even the 190Ds take 32-38 feet... # > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesels.html # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/dimensions-K1500-SJ-and-others.txt # > http://www.wjjeeps.com/dimensions.htm # > # > you're saying that big dodge has a smaller turning diameter # > than the Blazer with 106" wb or the WJ or a 190D??? # > # > what GC has a turning radius of 18 feet??? what year? # > all GCs are not the same... there was the ZJ, WJ and now WK. # > the ZJ was a bit larger than an XJ... # > # > Jim, your data is a bit suspect... :) # > if I recall correctly even a Grand Wagoneer/J10 turns in the 35ft range... # > # > are you sure that dodge doesn't have four wheel steering too? or # > was the website in metric? :) # > # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Sorry, didn't notice the question about the truck... # > # # > # They keep refining that Cummins every year. I'd look for a newer # > # one myself. Mine is the first year of the 24 valve but a late # > # 12 valve would be nice also. I'd look between around '98 and '03. # > # The "Gen 2" trucks are '94-'01. The "Gen 3" trucks are '02-'08 and # > # the new ones are "Gen 4" trucks. # > # # > # I like the styling of the Gen 2 trucks and they are in my price # > # range! ;) # > # # > # As for how many football fields are necessary, I found these numbers: # > # Make Wheelbase Overall length Turning Radius # > # GC 105.9" 181.5" 18.7' # > # RAM 154.7" 244" 25.8' # > # # > # But come on, the wheelbase alone on the RAM is almost as much as # > # the overall length of the GC!! ;) If you want an extended cab # > # pickup you're going to have to accept a wider turning radius. I # > # don't think there's any way around that. # > # # > # If you're serious, check out www.dodgetalk.com/forums/ # > # Jim # > # > # One football field will do just fine ;) # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turning diameter/circle question http://autos.aol.com/cars-Dodge-Ram+2500-1999/spec sone thing about that link, it only goes back to '99. :( I've only got one that is that new... ;) -o|||||o- 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) 1994 Chevrolet Blazer (K1500) 6.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (boring) 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo (WJ) 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 (no name) 1980 Jeep J10 Shortbox (SJ) 4.2/T-18/NP208 (tbd) 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer (heavy) 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel 232/T-85/D20 (Rambo) -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # I think my first reply to this got lost before it left my computer! # ;) # Here's where I found the data: # http://autos.aol.com/cars-Dodge-Ram+2500-1999/specs # Just use the dropdowns to find the specs on other makes/models... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:53:08 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Cheap Gas What bugs me is that thanks to the enviros forcing everyone to use Ultra Lousy Sulfurless Diesel the refining process is much more involved and diesel is now permanently more expensive and less powerful. Thanks. A bunch. Yeah. Real grateful. Sure. Oh, and also thanks for killing injection systems. Nice gesture. Sometimes I think the enviro-haters want to kill our diesels by a back-door method. J - -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: Filled up diesel today at 2.579/gal and the gasoline price at the same pump was 1.619, not bad and it looks like the barrel of oil may go below $40 if it has not already done so. Kevin wrote: > $1.67 for 87 octane and $2.39 for diesel in stockton, tack on about > twenty cents a gallon for walnut creek. It certainly pays to get gas > before heading up the hill, about $2 for 87 and $2.50 for diesel up > the hill. > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:06:18AM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > >> *** Valero in Menlo Park on Marsh Road. $1.86/gallon! ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. 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