From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 23 11:30:38 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, December 23 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2943 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Jeep beater [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... Re: [db] Jeep beater Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:19:40 -0500 From: Wiard Pless Subject: [db] Jeep beater Hi John, could it be that you are looking at the wrong vehicles?? Recently had in my backyard this Deere.http://s11.directupload.net/file/d/1652/5ezvkz7s_jpg.h Lower level of my lot is quite soggy and a wheeled machine would get bogged down in no time. Some years ago even a Cat with tracks got stuck there and had to be pulled out. This machine should be able to clean your driveway and you could assist your neighbours. A used one can be bought for about US $ 10.000 Where is the popcorn?? Happy Holidays Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:21:56 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... John, I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) I have been having fun running around all over the place in the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the snow at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Jeep beater not sure I can open that link... it's not formed correctly. if it's actuall 10.00 US, I can afford it... if it's 10,000.00 I can't. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Wiard Pless wrote: # Hi John, # could it be that you are looking at the wrong vehicles?? # Recently had in my backyard this # Deere.http://s11.directupload.net/file/d/1652/5ezvkz7s_jpg.h # Lower level of my lot is quite soggy and a wheeled machine would get bogged # down in # no time. Some years ago even a Cat with tracks got stuck there and had # to be pulled out. # This machine should be able to clean your driveway and you could assist your # neighbours. # A used one can be bought for about US $ 10.000 Where is the popcorn?? # # Happy Holidays # Wiard # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... You know I've been thinking about that... was wondering if the Rover, which was built on the Jeep Wagoneer design would do better than some of the newer Jeeps. I'd love to test out a Gelandewagen, Rover, Grand Cherokee, Grand Wagoneer and a few others just to see for myself... I wonder if the luxury asian import 4x4 wagons have anything going for them too. I watch the blazers, suburans, expeditions and explorers slip and slide a bit but make it... don't see a lot of the GLs or Rovers... If you're in the area give me a jingle, would love to see how well the Rover does... I'll consider anything with a Diesel... or that's a Jeep. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have # come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) # # # # I have been having fun running around all over the place in # the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the snow # at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:55:52 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... Hi John, I'll be around this weekend. My Rover is not stock which I am sure has helped out in the snow, as well as being from the East Coast and actually knowing how to drive in the snow as compared with most of the people in the Seattle metro area. When I was up playing on Stevens Pass, down on the Iron Goat Trail, I had chains on all 4 wheels and was in snow up to my axles. Over the last week I have seen many Exploders and newer Jeeps driven by people who just shouldn't be on the road. As you are aware, it is not such much the vehicle, as it is the big nut behind the wheel. Cheers, Nick - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:41 AM To: Nick Eckert Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... You know I've been thinking about that... was wondering if the Rover, which was built on the Jeep Wagoneer design would do better than some of the newer Jeeps. I'd love to test out a Gelandewagen, Rover, Grand Cherokee, Grand Wagoneer and a few others just to see for myself... I wonder if the luxury asian import 4x4 wagons have anything going for them too. I watch the blazers, suburans, expeditions and explorers slip and slide a bit but make it... don't see a lot of the GLs or Rovers... If you're in the area give me a jingle, would love to see how well the Rover does... I'll consider anything with a Diesel... or that's a Jeep. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have # come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) # # # # I have been having fun running around all over the place in # the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the snow # at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... Yes, it is a "Canadian thing" ;) Jim - --- On Tue, 12/23/08, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... > To: "Jim Hoffman" > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:59 AM > how come I don't see this snowflake on other sites? > > these are the tires on my WJ: > http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tires/bridgestone/product/byName.do?r=WASINT|pc|98203&tmn=Dueler+A%2FT+694+Revo&typ=Truck%2FSUV > will look for the snow flake... I > have a set of Blizzaks as well for my J10, I think they > have that snowflake... > > the ones on the blazer talk about the same all season > capabilities... no snow > flakes, or flakes of any kind mentioned... will check > those as well... I didn't > buy them purposely for snow, but for fuel economy, but the > guy recommending > them, and the shop selling them said they were snow > rated... the guy recommending > them lives in Eastern Washington which gets a lot of > snow... > > > after extensive google searching I found useful info... > guess it > was a canadian thing... interesting article about Vancouver > (about 90 miles > north of me) and their green lawns... etc. :) > > http://www.canadiandriver.com/winter/tires/snow_tires.htm > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: > http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # But are they "snow flake" rated? Mine are!! > ;) > # > # http://www.generaltire.com/tires/T5/Grabber-ATsup2-sup > # > # "The snowflake branded on the sidewall of a winter > tire isn't there for decoration. The designation means > the tire addresses three winter driving concerns: traction, > cornering and braking. > # > # Snow-Rated Tires > # People should be aware of the Rubber Manufacturers > Association's Severe Snow Performance Marking. The > mountain/snowflake symbol on the sidewall indicates a tire > has a snow spin traction rating of 110 or higher compared to > a standard reference test tire." > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Tue, 12/23/08, john > wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > Subject: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... > # > To: "Jim Hoffman" > > # > Cc: "full size jeep list" > , "xj-list" > , WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com, > "diesel-benz list" > # > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 10:26 AM > # > the jeep has bridgestone revo a/t's treads > cleaned > # > well... no buildup, left clear tracks... > # > the blazer has bfg's treads cleaned well... > no > # > buildup, left clear tracks... > # > > # > both are m/s rated - because we like to go up into > the > # > mountains year round > # > we are often in snow, I don't put tires on any > of my > # > vehicles that can't > # > deal with snow... or wet roads either. ;) > # > > # > the blazer got out with the first few snow storms, > but that > # > last > # > round separated the men from the boys... > # > > # > or the jeeps from the chevy's. ;) > # > > # > it was clearly a difference in 4wd systems... the > # > quadradrive made the > # > difference by adding two wheels to the mix... or > true 4wd. > # > > # > if the blazer had l/s or lockers in both axles it > might > # > have made it... > # > > # > or maybe paddle wheels. ;) I don't think > studded tires > # > would have > # > helped, the snow was simply too deep to get down to > terra > # > firma... > # > > # > heading in to my lab today, now that I can get > out... in > # > the WJ. ;) > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > # > rust, they mold > # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: > # > http://freegift.com > # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: > # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > > # > # I'm wondering if some of it may have to do > with > # > tires... I mean, > # > # sure, you have a 4X4 but most of your weather is > rain > # > and clouds ;) > # > # Not much snow so you may not invest in > "snow" > # > tires. I have > # > # "snowflake" rated tires on my RAM > diesel. > # > Those tires have a very > # > # aggressive tread. I just drove through > 15-20" of > # > snow in my yard > # > # yesterday without a problem. And this was hard > packed > # > stuff. > # > # Take away a few inches, add an incline and I > still think > # > those > # > # tires would pull through. > # > # > # > # Jim > # > # > # > # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, diesel john > # > wrote: > # > # > # > # > From: diesel john > > # > # > Subject: [db] at least, the Jeep > prevails... > # > # > To: > # > # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:45 PM > # > # > at last... I was able to escape... > # > # > > # > # > the WJ ('99 Grand Cherokee, 4.7L V8 - > # > Quadradrive) made > # > # > it out! > # > # > > # > # > The Jeep name has been vindicated... > # > # > > # > # > I put on a bit of a smoke show halfway up > the hill, > # > but > # > # > made it... needed > # > # > to go to the store, and the temperature > dropped a > # > bit, > # > # > allowing more bite. > # > # > > # > # > Soon as I got back from the store I tried > the > # > '94 K1500 > # > # > 6.5L Turbo Diesel > # > # > Blazer, all 3 tons of it on new m/s > tires... it got > # > almost > # > # > to the top but > # > # > wouldn't progress for anything... tried > the > # > paved > # > # > drive, nothing... but smoke... > # > # > > # > # > It ended up sideways on the gravel drive, > quite the > # > # > "E-ticket" ride coming > # > # > back down... getting three tons sideways on > my hill > # > and > # > # > sliding down toward > # > # > the Panel is NOT fun, especially when > it's > # > tipping > # > # > toward my side... it wouldn't > # > # > be so bad, but the slide is not linear in > motion, > # > it > # > # > abruptly goes, then stops, > # > # > and abruptly stopping sideways on a side > hill in a > # > three > # > # > ton GM vehicle is simply > # > # > not a recommended adventure. > # > # > > # > # > But wanting to be completely fair, I > decided to > # > make a run > # > # > up the drive > # > # > backwards... that did not end very well > either... > # > almost > # > # > ended up in > # > # > the neighbor's vegetable garden 20 feet > over > # > and 15 > # > # > feet down... :) I > # > # > figured the Blazer was going to be a yard > ornament > # > until > # > # > things melted, > # > # > but I got it out and put my big toy away... > :) > # > # > > # > # > pictures (of course) at: > # > # > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/12-Dec-22-escaped-2008 > # > # > > # > # > But, needing to get to work at least one > day this > # > week, > # > # > I've parked my WJ up in the upper > field... :) > # > Have > # > # > Jeep, will travel... > # > # > sometimes it takes a couple of attempts to > get out > # > though. > # > # > > # > # > I am so looking forward to rain... :) > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps > # > don't > # > # > rust, they mold > # > # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust > Jesus: > # > # > http://freegift.com > # > # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: > # > # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... I know what you mean... I grew up in Wisconsin and northern Illinois... have driven in most mountain ranges in North America and Europe in the snow... snow doesn't worry me, it's those guys that don't know what they're doing... going too slow worries me more than the ding-a-lings that fly past... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # Hi John, # # I'll be around this weekend. My Rover is not stock which I am # sure has helped out in the snow, as well as being from the East Coast # and actually knowing how to drive in the snow as compared with most of # the people in the Seattle metro area. # # When I was up playing on Stevens Pass, down on the Iron Goat # Trail, I had chains on all 4 wheels and was in snow up to my axles. # # Over the last week I have seen many Exploders and newer Jeeps # driven by people who just shouldn't be on the road. As you are aware, # it is not such much the vehicle, as it is the big nut behind the wheel. # # Cheers, # # Nick # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:41 AM # To: Nick Eckert # Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... # # You know I've been thinking about that... was wondering if # the Rover, which was built on the Jeep Wagoneer design would do # better than some of the newer Jeeps. # # I'd love to test out a Gelandewagen, Rover, Grand Cherokee, Grand # Wagoneer # and a few others just to see for myself... I wonder if the luxury asian # import 4x4 wagons have anything going for them too. # # I watch the blazers, suburans, expeditions and explorers slip and slide # a # bit but make it... don't see a lot of the GLs or Rovers... # # If you're in the area give me a jingle, would love to see how well # the Rover does... I'll consider anything with a Diesel... or that's a # Jeep. ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # # # I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have # # come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) # # # # # # # # I have been having fun running around all over the place # in # # the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the # snow # # at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. # # # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # # # Nick # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2943 **********************************