From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jan 8 12:27:11 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, January 8 2009 Volume 01 : Number 2956 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] blower on 124 RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D [db] now it's the pineapple express Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D RE: [db] blower on 124 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:24:22 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] blower on 124 You don't get to a W124 blower motor from inside, you get there from outside. Remove the big single windshield wiper, plus a couple of assorted plastic parts that really, really want to break now that they are so old, and you reach the blower motor and the porcupine. MUCH more complex than in the W123, but not too bad with enough patience. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo, 13K On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Pray tell how you got to it if not by removing the console, the dash and the > instrument panel? I have a 124 that needs a new A/C exchanger and danged if > I can figure out where to even start the dismantling process. > > Edward > > Nick Eckert wrote: >> >> John, >> >> >> >> Did you replace the control module along with the blower motor? >> M-B recommends replacing both at the same time, because the control >> module resides just under the motor. >> >> >> >> When I had my 123 I replaced the motor and not the control module >> and still had problems with the blower. >> >> >> >> This Fall I replaced the blower and controller in the 124 and so >> far, knock on wood, it has been working great. >> >> >> >> Real PIA to get to. >> >> >> >> I don't usually leave the control on Auto, but instead leave it on >> Low. That way the blower noise doesn't bother me much. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:28:50 -0500 >> >> From: "FParker" >> >> Subject: RE: [db] blower on 124 >> >> >> >> Check the blower control module. If I remember correctly, it's under or >> near the blower. It's a solid state box with a heat sink on it. >> >> >> >> - -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> replaced the blower a few years ago... >> >> >> >> in a way I prefer it not working... it's annoying. ;) >> >> >> >> john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:04:15 -0800 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Jerry, if you go to the Horror Fright store, look at their Taiwanese 24" long 1/2" breaker bar. At only about 0.50 an inch it is a good value and a very serviceable tool. A lot better than a cheater. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jerome Kaidor Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:45 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Greg Fiorentino wrote: > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air wrench 6 pt. sockets. > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I would at least clean the > old ones well plus use some loctite. *** Excellent idea. Actually, I've been thinking of getting an electric impact wrench. Anybody try one of these? They have them that work off 12V. Harbor fright ( er, Freight ) has one for $25. There's one on the Internet for $100 that has a built in digital torque setting. So it goes bang-bang-bang til you get the right torque, then it stops. I have a couple small breaker bars in the airplane. I think I'll take along a pipe to extend them. The rear seats on the Sundowner come right out, and there's space for plenty of gear. The baggage area is structurally rated for 270 pounds. I could probably even manage a small air compressor and an air tank. And my impact wrench. But there's a point of diminishing returns. Loading everything up becomes a project in itself. I have become VERY interested in little 12V labor saving gadgets. I already ordered the calipers at the local NAPA. $70 each, even cheaper than their website. Also new pads, the anti-squawk stuff, grease for the pins, new hoses, and new sensors. I think I'll put the calipers together at home. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D > Jerry, if you go to the Horror Fright store, look at their Taiwanese 24" > long 1/2" breaker bar. At only about 0.50 an inch it is a good value and > a > very serviceable tool. A lot better than a cheater.\ *** Probably won't make it to the HF before doing this job. At home, I have a 3-foot 3/4" Craftsman breaker bar. A souvenir from working on VW bugs. I seem to remember putting a pipe on that bar, and jumping up and down on the pipe :). I'll just need a 3/4 to 1/2 adapter. Thank you all for warning me about this. I would have been screwed, trying to break those bolts with a ratchet. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:16:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] now it's the pineapple express well, the snow is finally gone... the rain we were looking forward to has come in force... 30, 40, 50 mph type force... all the passes are closed... avalanches, mud slides, etc... and we got a lot more rain than we expected... but that's ok, able to get out of the driveway now. ...was planning on towing my '80 J10 down to Centralia on Saturday so my '83 J10 could be reassembled... my friend called, said I might want to rethink that idea... I said, sure, we'll play it by ear... ...on the news tonight... they closed I-5 from milepost 68 to 88. He's at milepost 82. :( It'll probably be closed until Sunday. Man, glad I'm not a trucker... I-5 and all the passes are closed... Can't get to Portland, or Spokane... ok, guess it's time to find out why the blower doesn't work on my 300D, do some maintenance on the WJ, replace the starter on the CJ-10A and just get some stuff done around the house... :) no worries about us flooding, we're at 350 feet above sea level, sea level is a mile north of us... am wondering if the Snohomish River will flood again... of course pictures will follow if it does. btw, enjoying our near normal 50 degree weather... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > > > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air wrench 6 pt. sockets. > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I would at least clean the > > old ones well plus use some loctite. *** Those bolts aren't internal hex or anything like that, by any chance? And what level of Loctite does it need? - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:59:11 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:28:18PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > > > > > > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air wrench 6 pt. sockets. > > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I would at least clean the > > > old ones well plus use some loctite. > *** Those bolts aren't internal hex or anything like that, by any chance? > And what level of Loctite does it need? I don't think so, think they're just big metric six point. Plan on yanking HARD to get through the factory loctite. Actually, the caliper bracket has the big bolt, think the caliper is something like a 13. Just the same, plan on yanking hard to get through the loctite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D why is it that I don't remember having that much trouble with my calipers? maybe I'm getting old... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Kevin wrote: # On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:28:18PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # > Jerome Kaidor wrote: # > > # > > > # > > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air wrench 6 pt. sockets. # > > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I would at least clean the # > > > old ones well plus use some loctite. # > *** Those bolts aren't internal hex or anything like that, by any chance? # > And what level of Loctite does it need? # # I don't think so, think they're just big metric six point. Plan on yanking # HARD to get through the factory loctite. # # Actually, the caliper bracket has the big bolt, think the caliper is something # like a 13. Just the same, plan on yanking hard to get through the loctite. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:13:45 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D Generally, when you had a car that ran, you drove it, which puts you in a different category than Jerry and I. That aside, I enjoy pain, and always seem to avoid the air compressor even though I have it and it works :) On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:14:27PM -0800, john wrote: > why is it that I don't remember having that much trouble with my calipers? > > maybe I'm getting old... :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D I have a Milwaukee electric impact wrench but its 110VAC. :( I love it... I use it whenever I can. Makes quick work of jobs that used to bust my knuckles ;) I've gotten lazy in my old age. I buy "preloaded" calipers from my local NAPA or similar McParts stores. Makes the job so easy. Remove the two mounting bolts and the brake line, pop off the old caliper/pads, pop on the new caliper/pads and put the line and bolts back on. I can have one side done in a few minutes. And believe it or not, it's not that much more expensive. Just a thought.... Jim - --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > From: Jerome Kaidor > Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:44 PM > Greg Fiorentino wrote: > > > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air > wrench 6 pt. sockets. > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I > would at least clean the > > old ones well plus use some loctite. > *** Excellent idea. Actually, I've been thinking of > getting an electric > impact wrench. Anybody try one of these? They have them > that work off 12V. > Harbor fright ( er, Freight ) has one for $25. There's > one on the Internet > for $100 that has a built in digital torque setting. So it > goes > bang-bang-bang til you get the right torque, then it stops. > I have a couple > small breaker bars in the airplane. I think I'll take > along a pipe to extend > them. > > The rear seats on the Sundowner come right out, and > there's space for > plenty of gear. The baggage area is structurally rated for > 270 pounds. > I could probably even manage a small air compressor and > an air tank. And my impact wrench. But there's a > point of diminishing > returns. Loading everything up becomes a project in > itself. I have become > VERY interested in little 12V labor saving gadgets. > > I already ordered the calipers at the local NAPA. $70 > each, even cheaper > than their website. Also new pads, the anti-squawk stuff, > grease for the > pins, new hoses, and new sensors. > > I think I'll put the calipers together at home. > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:43:41 -0800 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D When I bought the '85 300SD, a few months later there was some noise from the RF caliper on braking. Investigation revealed 1 missing and 1 very loose mounting bolt; the PO had apparently put mounting bolts on with no locking compound. I bought some new ones from Rusty. They had some sort of locking compound already on them. These bolts clearly will loosen if they are not locked in with some kind of compound. Apparently the vibrations at this connection are quite severe. The factory stuff grabs and holds, even after the initial break when you loosen it. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:59 PM To: Jerome Kaidor Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:28:18PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > > > > > > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air wrench 6 pt. sockets. > > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I would at least clean the > > > old ones well plus use some loctite. > *** Those bolts aren't internal hex or anything like that, by any chance? > And what level of Loctite does it need? I don't think so, think they're just big metric six point. Plan on yanking HARD to get through the factory loctite. Actually, the caliper bracket has the big bolt, think the caliper is something like a 13. Just the same, plan on yanking hard to get through the loctite. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: RE: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D > When I bought the '85 300SD, a few months later there was some noise from > the RF caliper on braking. Investigation revealed 1 missing and 1 very > loose mounting bolt; the PO had apparently put mounting bolts on with no > locking compound. I bought some new ones from Rusty. They had some sort > of > locking compound already on them. These bolts clearly will loosen if they > are not locked in with some kind of compound. Apparently the vibrations > at > this connection are quite severe. The factory stuff grabs and holds, even > after the initial break when you loosen it. *** I'm going to buy four new bolts. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D maybe that's why I don't understand what the pain is... I buy the preloaded calipers as well... as far as brake stories go, talked to fred last night... he's gonna have one very, very interesting brake story for us... maybe after this coming weekend. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # I have a Milwaukee electric impact wrench but its 110VAC. :( # I love it... I use it whenever I can. Makes quick work of jobs # that used to bust my knuckles ;) # # I've gotten lazy in my old age. I buy "preloaded" calipers from # my local NAPA or similar McParts stores. Makes the job so easy. # Remove the two mounting bolts and the brake line, pop off the old # caliper/pads, pop on the new caliper/pads and put the line and bolts # back on. I can have one side done in a few minutes. And believe # it or not, it's not that much more expensive. # # Just a thought.... # # Jim # # --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # > From: Jerome Kaidor # > Subject: Re: [db] Tools for brake work on 300D # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:44 PM # > Greg Fiorentino wrote: # > > # > > I second that! A LONG breaker bar with some air # > wrench 6 pt. sockets. # > > Mercedes recommends using new caliper bolts, but I # > would at least clean the # > > old ones well plus use some loctite. # > *** Excellent idea. Actually, I've been thinking of # > getting an electric # > impact wrench. Anybody try one of these? They have them # > that work off 12V. # > Harbor fright ( er, Freight ) has one for $25. There's # > one on the Internet # > for $100 that has a built in digital torque setting. So it # > goes # > bang-bang-bang til you get the right torque, then it stops. # > I have a couple # > small breaker bars in the airplane. I think I'll take # > along a pipe to extend # > them. # > # > The rear seats on the Sundowner come right out, and # > there's space for # > plenty of gear. The baggage area is structurally rated for # > 270 pounds. # > I could probably even manage a small air compressor and # > an air tank. And my impact wrench. But there's a # > point of diminishing # > returns. Loading everything up becomes a project in # > itself. I have become # > VERY interested in little 12V labor saving gadgets. # > # > I already ordered the calipers at the local NAPA. $70 # > each, even cheaper # > than their website. Also new pads, the anti-squawk stuff, # > grease for the # > pins, new hoses, and new sensors. # > # > I think I'll put the calipers together at home. # > # > - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] blower on 124 I think I unplugged it... no change... will break out schematics... if I have them... and start working on it this weekend... since I-5 is closed I can't bring my J10 down to Centralia. :( the exit I need to take is 6 miles into the flooded area... talk about bad timing... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Mike Frank wrote: # First thing to do is unplug the auxilliary water pump...just pull the power # plug. If that fixes the problem, your aux pump is siezed. # # Mike Frank # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2956 **********************************