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Seems like a more usable solution # than chains, since I can just keep going at real speeds if I # reach reasonable roads, rather than having to put the chains # on and off. # # Any suggestions on where to pick up some basic, inexpensive # rims, and what tires to get? # # The Pirelli Winter 210 Sottozero seems to get good reviews # (and has the Canadian mountain and snowflake rating). # # I'm figuring on the winter rims/tires for at least the '76 # 240D, perhaps the '93 300D if they're more affordable than I # think they're going to be. :) # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:19:02 -0800 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? Could you ask him if he still has them? That sounds cheaper than what I've seen from my initial quick searches. I won't get to make sure they fit the car for a while, since it is in the body shop getting repaired from the tree and carport... But I would assume if they look like they would work for your '91, they should fit my '93. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: > > my neighbor has (or had) a set of 124 rims... only wanted $100 for the set... > > john > > > On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # After the recent storms and the complete lack of government > # ability to handle the snow and ice, I'm thinking of getting > # a spare set of rims with serious winter tires on them which > # I can swap onto my car. Seems like a more usable solution > # than chains, since I can just keep going at real speeds if I > # reach reasonable roads, rather than having to put the chains > # on and off. > # > # Any suggestions on where to pick up some basic, inexpensive > # rims, and what tires to get? > # > # The Pirelli Winter 210 Sottozero seems to get good reviews > # (and has the Canadian mountain and snowflake rating). > # > # I'm figuring on the winter rims/tires for at least the '76 > # 240D, perhaps the '93 300D if they're more affordable than I > # think they're going to be. :) > # > # -bkc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? since scrap prices are so low he probably still has them... one of the rims was over here so I could take pictures for him... I'll look for it tomorrow when I'm working on my 300D and cj-10a. :) I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... and don't be one of "those" people asking for salt on our roads... there's no need... "those" people just need to stay home, get a 4x4 or move. :) would hate to see them use salt... not that I worry about salmon, but I do worry about the damage it does to gardens and of course vehicles... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # Could you ask him if he still has them? That sounds cheaper # than what I've seen from my initial quick searches. # # I won't get to make sure they fit the car for a while, since # it is in the body shop getting repaired from the tree and # carport... But I would assume if they look like they would # work for your '91, they should fit my '93. # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # # # On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: # > # > my neighbor has (or had) a set of 124 rims... only wanted $100 for the set... # > # > john # > # > # > On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > # > # After the recent storms and the complete lack of government # > # ability to handle the snow and ice, I'm thinking of getting # > # a spare set of rims with serious winter tires on them which # > # I can swap onto my car. Seems like a more usable solution # > # than chains, since I can just keep going at real speeds if I # > # reach reasonable roads, rather than having to put the chains # > # on and off. # > # # > # Any suggestions on where to pick up some basic, inexpensive # > # rims, and what tires to get? # > # # > # The Pirelli Winter 210 Sottozero seems to get good reviews # > # (and has the Canadian mountain and snowflake rating). # > # # > # I'm figuring on the winter rims/tires for at least the '76 # > # 240D, perhaps the '93 300D if they're more affordable than I # > # think they're going to be. :) # > # # > # -bkc # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:49:16 -0800 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: > > since scrap prices are so low he probably still has them... > one of the rims was over here so I could take pictures for him... > I'll look for it tomorrow when I'm working on my 300D and cj-10a. :) Thanks! > I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... Was considering the level just shy of studded so can still be used without problem on roads that are in okay condition. If I had had just a bit more traction, my W115 would have done just fine on all but one of the storm days, I think. > and don't be one of "those" people asking for salt on our roads... > > there's no need... "those" people just need to stay home, get a 4x4 or move. :) > would hate to see them use salt... not that I worry about salmon, > but I do worry about the damage it does to gardens and of course vehicles... I don't need salt. But some more sand would have been nice. What we really needed around my area was a plowing. Even once about midway through the storm sequence would have fixed a lot. The depth of the slush and ice was pretty significant. One day when I have sufficient cash flow and parking space, I'll probably get an old Cherokee Laredo (XJ?) or something like that, toss in a big-ish diesel, and get a plow attachment along with a winch. :) - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? I thought about how much money I could make if I had a plow for one of my 4x4s. :) I've got a set of Blizzaks for one of my Jeeps, they do well... there's a set of "cables" that snap on... like spiders, not cheap, was talking to my son about them for his 123 300D. He doesn't think he needs 4x4 either... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: # > # > since scrap prices are so low he probably still has them... # > one of the rims was over here so I could take pictures for him... # > I'll look for it tomorrow when I'm working on my 300D and cj-10a. :) # # # Thanks! # # # > I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... # # # Was considering the level just shy of studded so can still be # used without problem on roads that are in okay condition. # # If I had had just a bit more traction, my W115 would have done # just fine on all but one of the storm days, I think. # # # > and don't be one of "those" people asking for salt on our roads... # > # > there's no need... "those" people just need to stay home, get a 4x4 or move. :) # > would hate to see them use salt... not that I worry about salmon, # > but I do worry about the damage it does to gardens and of course vehicles... # # # I don't need salt. But some more sand would have been nice. # What we really needed around my area was a plowing. Even # once about midway through the storm sequence would have fixed # a lot. The depth of the slush and ice was pretty significant. # # One day when I have sufficient cash flow and parking space, # I'll probably get an old Cherokee Laredo (XJ?) or something # like that, toss in a big-ish diesel, and get a plow attachment # along with a winch. :) # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:46:11 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? Funny the timing of you message. Last night I was doing exactly the same for my wifes Honda Accord, it is a brand new car and absolutely sucks in the snow. I don't know what tires are on it from the factory but they are definitely NOT all season. The lowest prices I could find online for 16" steel rims coupled with Firestone Winterforce Blackwalls came in at about 500 bucks plus shipping. Then the local cost for mounting and balancing is about 15 extra per tire, so total outlay would be on the order of 600 with taxes. Blizzaks cost 20 bucks more per tire than the firestones so you would be looking at 80 more just in tire cost. Check out their web site, I do business with them a lot, generally have the best deals available. Edward Bruce Caruthers wrote: > After the recent storms and the complete lack of government > ability to handle the snow and ice, I'm thinking of getting > a spare set of rims with serious winter tires on them which > I can swap onto my car. Seems like a more usable solution > than chains, since I can just keep going at real speeds if I > reach reasonable roads, rather than having to put the chains > on and off. > > Any suggestions on where to pick up some basic, inexpensive > rims, and what tires to get? > > The Pirelli Winter 210 Sottozero seems to get good reviews > (and has the Canadian mountain and snowflake rating). > > I'm figuring on the winter rims/tires for at least the '76 > 240D, perhaps the '93 300D if they're more affordable than I > think they're going to be. :) > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:10:20 -0500 From: "FParker" Subject: RE: [db] spare rims and winter tires? I picked up a used set of rims about four years ago out of the want-ads. A lady had traded in her 94 300E and she didn't give up the extras. The rims were the newer style 124 rims (with the bigger oval holes around the outside. I think I paid $300 for the nearly perfect rims with 50% tires (summer). I ran the tires out and put four snows on the other set for winter. Wintermark Magnagrip - $46 each - $243 mounted and balanced. Best addition that I have ever made to the car for winter driving. Great in snow/ice, good handling in the dry, and quiet on the highway. I am on my fourth winter with these tires and drive with confidence whenever the weather turns. The tires still have at least 50% tread left and I will probably squeeze five seasons (approx 10k miles/season) out of them. - -----Original Message----- On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: > > since scrap prices are so low he probably still has them... > one of the rims was over here so I could take pictures for him... > I'll look for it tomorrow when I'm working on my 300D and cj-10a. :) Thanks! > I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... Was considering the level just shy of studded so can still be used without problem on roads that are in okay condition. If I had had just a bit more traction, my W115 would have done just fine on all but one of the storm days, I think. > and don't be one of "those" people asking for salt on our roads... > > there's no need... "those" people just need to stay home, get a 4x4 or move. :) > would hate to see them use salt... not that I worry about salmon, > but I do worry about the damage it does to gardens and of course vehicles... I don't need salt. But some more sand would have been nice. What we really needed around my area was a plowing. Even once about midway through the storm sequence would have fixed a lot. The depth of the slush and ice was pretty significant. One day when I have sufficient cash flow and parking space, I'll probably get an old Cherokee Laredo (XJ?) or something like that, toss in a big-ish diesel, and get a plow attachment along with a winch. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:35:56 -0500 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? On 1/10/09 1:49 AM, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >> I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... >> > > > Was considering the level just shy of studded so can still be > used without problem on roads that are in okay condition. > > If I had had just a bit more traction, my W115 would have done > just fine on all but one of the storm days, I think. > we are running unstudded tires here near Albany, New York. not as much snow as Buffalo or Watertown, but it's still non-trivial and because we're about 10 miles as the car travels from the better plowed roads, some mornings it's a little iffy driving. i'm running Pirelli Winter Carving Edges (a recently discontinued model) on an Audi A4 Avant (AWD) and the social director is running Hankook Winter Pikes on her 1996 E300D. both have been excellent snow tires even w/o studs. their tread patterns are nearly identical (extremely agressive), and both compounds are effective. Blizzaks are ok except they wear fast and aren't really snow tires after they get to 1/2 tread depth. we have also used Dunlop Graspics and they're ok. i think the newer Pirellis and Hankooks are better snow tires than the Dunlops, though. richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:38:57 -0500 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] spare rims and winter tires? On 1/10/09 8:46 AM, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Funny the timing of you message. > > Last night I was doing exactly the same for my wifes Honda Accord, it > is a brand new car and absolutely sucks in the snow. I don't know > what tires are on it from the factory but they are definitely NOT all > season. despite the FWD, Hondas over the years have been pretty iffy in foul weather conditions. Older Civics actually can get in trouble in extremely heavy rain. i ran a 93 civic for quite a few years, but never even considered driving it in snow without Hakkas on it. even with Hakkas, it was only adequate. the AWD Audi with proper snow tires is a whole different ball game. richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:05:22 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: RE: [db] spare rims and winter tires? I have four extra rims for each car, with appropriate snow tires. I usually look for the snow tires on E-Bay or Craigslist. People tend to sell their cars after winter (or bust them up during winter), and then try to salvage the tires. If I can find a set locally, for not much money, with few miles, it's a buy. I recently picked up a set of Cooper Weathermasters this way. Seller had an accident with the car, tires had about 2000 miles on them. Cost was $175 (no tax or shipping) for all four, plus $50 to mount and balance. Seemed pretty reasonable to me. All season tires are not really all season. For winter driving, you really need four snows. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:09:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] spare rims and winter tires? you know, maybe I shouldn't let bruce buy those rims... ;) After all, I'm trying to reduce the fleet and all... my benz has traction control, sort of... nah... it's cheaper to buy a used Jeep than snow tires anyway... :) I need to go out and fix the fan right now after replacing the starter in the cj-10a. it's green outside... not raining but cloudy... 42 degrees out... ah, back to normal.... bruce, will call my neighbor shortly, might run over with the tires in the tug for grins... it doesn't have a hitch so I don't know if I could pull that stump... my soon to be future son-in-law has my blazer and my wife has the grand cherokee (WJ)... tire technology has improved, saw the comments about the blizzak tread life... haven't used mine but once... will use them on my J10 when I get it back... if I-5 and Centralia ever unflood... talked to my friend down there, he had to move stuff up to the 2nd floor, they didn't get wet, but now have to put everything back... the house he owns was built in the '20s... gov't info on flooding was contradictary... he doesn't have flood insurance... so far he's kept dry... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 10 Jan 2009, FParker wrote: # I picked up a used set of rims about four years ago out of the want-ads. A # lady had traded in her 94 300E and she didn't give up the extras. The rims # were the newer style 124 rims (with the bigger oval holes around the # outside. I think I paid $300 for the nearly perfect rims with 50% tires # (summer). I ran the tires out and put four snows on the other set for # winter. Wintermark Magnagrip - $46 each - $243 mounted and balanced. Best # addition that I have ever made to the car for winter driving. Great in # snow/ice, good handling in the dry, and quiet on the highway. I am on my # fourth winter with these tires and drive with confidence whenever the # weather turns. The tires still have at least 50% tread left and I will # probably squeeze five seasons (approx 10k miles/season) out of them. # # # # -----Original Message----- # # # On Fri Jan 09, 2009, John Meister wrote: # > # > since scrap prices are so low he probably still has them... # > one of the rims was over here so I could take pictures for him... # > I'll look for it tomorrow when I'm working on my 300D and cj-10a. :) # # # Thanks! # # # > I'll call if he has them... would recommend studded tires... # # # Was considering the level just shy of studded so can still be # used without problem on roads that are in okay condition. # # If I had had just a bit more traction, my W115 would have done # just fine on all but one of the storm days, I think. # # # > and don't be one of "those" people asking for salt on our roads... # > # > there's no need... "those" people just need to stay home, get a 4x4 or # move. :) # > would hate to see them use salt... not that I worry about salmon, # > but I do worry about the damage it does to gardens and of course # vehicles... # # # I don't need salt. But some more sand would have been nice. # What we really needed around my area was a plowing. Even # once about midway through the storm sequence would have fixed # a lot. The depth of the slush and ice was pretty significant. # # One day when I have sufficient cash flow and parking space, # I'll probably get an old Cherokee Laredo (XJ?) or something # like that, toss in a big-ish diesel, and get a plow attachment # along with a winch. :) # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2958 **********************************