From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 21 17:00:08 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, January 22 2009 Volume 01 : Number 2976 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz Re: [db] big surprise... Re: [db] OT: Fuel Injector Work [db] it blows... [db] one more thing... Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz my wife actually had to walk 4 miles daily to and from school and at lunch... 1 mile each way, in south dakota... in a skirt, they weren't allowed to wear pants... :) at least it wasn't uphill both ways... and she got to walk past the corn palace! she didn't realize how good she had it. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: # Ohhh crap! I just realized something......... # # My dad used to tell me stories about how bad he had it; ya know stuff like # "We used to walk 4 miles in the snow to school everyday, and I didn't have # boots, we were so poor we had to share one pair of shoes!" # # Luckily I don't have any kids yet, if I ever do though they are really going # to be in for it! # # On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Travis Barnard wrote: # # >My bus didn't have working heat, and I drove it all through that big ice # >storm about 2 years ago. I had one of those propane catalytic heaters tucked # >between the front seats. I had to use a hair dryer on an extension cord to # >defrost the windows every morning. # > # > # >On Jan 20, 2009, at 4:01 PM, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: # > # > >It is truly scary to think that John and others on this list parallel my # > >experience with vehicles so closely. Drove a VW bus loaded with my worldly # > >posessions from Phoenix to Michigan for my first full time career job in # > >79. I think I averaged 45 MPH for the whole distance, especially that # > >climb from Phoenix to Flagstaff!!! which was first gear and maybe 12 MPH?! # > > # > >As to what to do with an old Benz, wow John. That was the most lucid # > >writeup and warning I have ever read, you must be getting a bit more tame # > >as you age ;-) but I will stock up on the popcorn anyway. # > > # > > # > > >you know what? I forgot I actually owned a VW bus for a short time... I # > > >think # > > >I bought it for some parts to use on something else... remember taking # > > >the # > > >rear shafts # > > >off for some reason... was I going to turn it into a trailer??? was # > > >around 1989-1991... # > > >don't have it on my list. ;) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # > > > # > > > ----- # > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > >Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > > >http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > > >SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > > >SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > > # > > > # > > >On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # > > > # > > > # Travis Barnard wrote: # > > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > Can it really be worse than driving 78' VW Bus? # > > > # > # > > > # *** Hey, I resemble that remark.... # > > > # # > > > # The mid-70's 2-liter buses weren't THAT bad. I had one - even had # > > >air # > > > # conditioning. Really saved my youknowwhat the time I drove to LA and # > > >back # > > > # to pick up a sidecar rig. # > > > # # > > > # - Jerry # > > > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] big surprise... you got the info on a heater core for a '99 WJ? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Kevin wrote: # Well, if that's what you want, the alldata procedure for replacing a heater # core in an AC equipped 1991 volkswagen jetta is incorrect. Consult the dealer # pdf (there was a recall for some, but the procedure is the same for the # entire range of second gen jettas) or bentley service manual. # # Seen this on jeeps too - alldata has the wrong torque sequence and spec for the # intake/exhaust bolts. Use the alldata procedure and you get to replace the # gasket. Hopefully you used anti-seize to make your life a little easier the # second time around :) # # On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:54:38AM -0800, john wrote: # > going through the heater core thing with my WJ (grand cherokee) as well. # > fixed it with the same stuff... heater cores on these things are not # > quite as bad as a volvo but still quite involved... # > # > appreciate learning about other models through this list... helps # > one satisfy their curiousity without feeling too much pain... :) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: Fuel Injector Work # Words of wisdom? if you smoke... don't... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # Hi guys, # # Going to try to clean the fuel injectors on my 99 Astro, for real. They # have a goofy poppet valve setup that sticks. I've been # keeping the car running by cleaning them with one of those cannisters that # you hook up to your air compressor. # # This time, I'm going to take the intake manifold apart ( it's a two-part # clamshell, and the injectors are inside ). Will put the # injectors in a bucket of cleaning solution and stick the bucket in my # ultrasonic cleaner. # # A former mechanic friend of mine says that the hot ticket for cleaning # these things is something called "Hoppes #9 Nitro Powder Solvent". # ...So I just picked up a little bottle of same at the gun shop. Got an # intake manifold gasket set, ready to get going. # Words of wisdom? # # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:38:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] it blows... what a miserable job that was... replaced that very expensive heat sink under the fan... only broke a couple pieces of plastic and have one extra screw... not a clue where it goes... well, a slight clue, but it's going to live without it now! have to drive the Blazer tomorrow, someone is meeting to take a look at it... hope to see the cj-10a and blazer go away soon... looking forward to getting my J10 running and back, but this Diesel/electric hybrid idea has me thinking... rather than try to stuff a Diesel in I think I'll try to figure out how to make it electric with a Diesel generator... the electric motors are expensive, so this will be a long term project. :) just happy to have my 300D ready to go again... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] one more thing... did NOT have to remove the wiper arm... one can remove the wiper assembly without taking that mono-arm off... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:27:25 -0800 From: Travis Barnard Subject: Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz I was driving to work this morning when I realized there was another snag in this project. Emissions testing A newer car means emissions testing since the title will say 2001, does anyone know much about Washington state titles and emissions laws? Can I get an exception? How many millions of dollars will that cost me? On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:15 PM, john wrote: > Travis, > > Keep shopping for a WJ with a blown engine... almost picked up a > limited > for $1500. If people don't keep the oil changed properly in that > 4.7L V8 > it sludges up and has top end issues... I only run Amsoil synthetics > so > mine is doing great at 155K miles. Also, if you use the puss that the > minute lubes and dealerships use and don't change it every couple > thousand > miles you'll also see top end failure... so there's a lot of WJs > showing > up needing engine work... and that engine work is EXPENSIVE. A > wrecking > yard will get nearly $2500 for a USED engine... a rebuild even done > with > local sources and labor can run 3-4k with labor! > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: > > # I've been recently looking into a replacement body for my beatup and > # rather thrashed 300SD(I think Adam Sandler had a song about a car > like this). > # > # The engine is in great shape 230K +/- very strong. With the recent > # downturn I have found a 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited for under 5k and > # after doing a little research it appears that the Jeep is only about > # 300lbs heavier than my Benz. I know that the 5cyl turbo diesels > are a > # bit anemic by most peoples standards but I'm really not speed freak > # anymore; a couple of years driving a VW Bus will fix that for > anyone. > # So my question is this, does anyone have any experience > transplanting > # motors in Jeep's and of course any concerns I should be researching > # before going further with such a crazy notion? > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:54:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: # I was driving to work this morning when I realized there was another snag in # this project. # # Emissions testing # # A newer car means emissions testing since the title will say 2001, does # anyone know much about Washington state titles and emissions laws? Can I get # an exception? How many millions of dollars will that cost me? it'll cost you $18. serious. oh, yeah, and then another $15 to run the test. just did it... you go to any license agency and ask to retitle your vehicle as a Diesel. The title shows up with a notice to be emissions tested. You go down and they test it. end of story. used to be that we had to have a state police inspection complete with receipts to make the change, but no more... :) happy projecting. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:15 PM, john wrote: # # >Travis, # > # >Keep shopping for a WJ with a blown engine... almost picked up a limited # >for $1500. If people don't keep the oil changed properly in that 4.7L V8 # >it sludges up and has top end issues... I only run Amsoil synthetics so # >mine is doing great at 155K miles. Also, if you use the puss that the # >minute lubes and dealerships use and don't change it every couple thousand # >miles you'll also see top end failure... so there's a lot of WJs showing # >up needing engine work... and that engine work is EXPENSIVE. A wrecking # >yard will get nearly $2500 for a USED engine... a rebuild even done with # >local sources and labor can run 3-4k with labor! # > # >john # > # > ----- # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # >SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # >SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # >On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: # > # > # I've been recently looking into a replacement body for my beatup and # > # rather thrashed 300SD(I think Adam Sandler had a song about a car like # > # this). # > # # > # The engine is in great shape 230K +/- very strong. With the recent # > # downturn I have found a 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited for under 5k and # > # after doing a little research it appears that the Jeep is only about # > # 300lbs heavier than my Benz. I know that the 5cyl turbo diesels are a # > # bit anemic by most peoples standards but I'm really not speed freak # > # anymore; a couple of years driving a VW Bus will fix that for anyone. # > # So my question is this, does anyone have any experience transplanting # > # motors in Jeep's and of course any concerns I should be researching # > # before going further with such a crazy notion? # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:52:34 -0800 From: Travis Barnard Subject: Re: [db] What to do with a beatup old benz Does that mean I have to have it retested every 2 years then? That kinda defeats the point of my buying older cars in the first place. On Jan 21, 2009, at 4:54 PM, john wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: > > # I was driving to work this morning when I realized there was > another snag in > # this project. > # > # Emissions testing > # > # A newer car means emissions testing since the title will say 2001, > does > # anyone know much about Washington state titles and emissions laws? > Can I get > # an exception? How many millions of dollars will that cost me? > > > > it'll cost you $18. > > serious. > > oh, yeah, and then another $15 to run the test. > > just did it... > > you go to any license agency and ask to retitle your vehicle as a > Diesel. > The title shows up with a notice to be emissions tested. > > You go down and they test it. > > end of story. > > used to be that we had to have a state police inspection complete > with receipts to make the change, but no more... :) > > happy projecting. :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > # > # On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:15 PM, john wrote: > # > # >Travis, > # > > # >Keep shopping for a WJ with a blown engine... almost picked up a > limited > # >for $1500. If people don't keep the oil changed properly in that > 4.7L V8 > # >it sludges up and has top end issues... I only run Amsoil > synthetics so > # >mine is doing great at 155K miles. Also, if you use the puss > that the > # >minute lubes and dealerships use and don't change it every couple > thousand > # >miles you'll also see top end failure... so there's a lot of WJs > showing > # >up needing engine work... and that engine work is EXPENSIVE. A > wrecking > # >yard will get nearly $2500 for a USED engine... a rebuild even > done with > # >local sources and labor can run 3-4k with labor! > # > > # >john > # > > # > ----- > # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # >Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # >http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > # >SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # >SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # >On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Travis Barnard wrote: > # > > # > # I've been recently looking into a replacement body for my > beatup and > # > # rather thrashed 300SD(I think Adam Sandler had a song about a > car like > # > # this). > # > # > # > # The engine is in great shape 230K +/- very strong. With the > recent > # > # downturn I have found a 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited for under > 5k and > # > # after doing a little research it appears that the Jeep is only > about > # > # 300lbs heavier than my Benz. I know that the 5cyl turbo > diesels are a > # > # bit anemic by most peoples standards but I'm really not speed > freak > # > # anymore; a couple of years driving a VW Bus will fix that for > anyone. > # > # So my question is this, does anyone have any experience > transplanting > # > # motors in Jeep's and of course any concerns I should be > researching > # > # before going further with such a crazy notion? > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2976 **********************************