From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 30 05:23:00 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, January 30 2009 Volume 01 : Number 2985 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Diesel down ! [db] things that john should just not see Re: [db] Diesel down ! [db] G Wagon Re: [db] Diesel down ! RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Re: [db] things that john should just not see RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life [db] Monark Injectors [db] Re: G Wagon Re: [db] Re: G Wagon RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:14:29 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: [db] Diesel down ! My Citroen Diesel died on me. At the autopsy they found that one of the preheating chambers had broken off, fallen in the cylinder, and was now nicely embedded in the piston crown. Oh, and the con rod is slightly bent too. Local Citroen mech wants to replace the offending piston and rings, put in a new con rod, put in new pre-combustion chambers all round and skim the head. Given the engine has 89.000 km (about 55.000 mile to the unmetric heathens) should I get all other pistons, and the piston-liners replaced too ? Cheers, Ron. - -- Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than each other. -- Ann Landers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:25:19 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: [db] things that john should just not see for fear of the bad ideas that he'd get, though he wouldn't drop GN cash to cut up and make something this psycho. He does want to remain married, I imagine, and his wife's a better shot than he is :) Words to describe this are certainly not PG rated ;) http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/gearhead-garage/duramax-grand-national-25506 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:29:01 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Diesel down ! It really depends. We never got a citroen diesel here, so I have no idea what engine that would be, and have no idea about its layout. Guess it depends on your funds, but a friend had an Isuzu NPR overheat and oval a cylinder. We put a new head on it and replaced one cylinder, and it was fine. That seems awful low mileage to be considering a total overhaul, especially if it was running fine beforehand. Any chance the crank has hidden damage? I've spun rod bearings and trashed the crank so bad that it wasn't useable, but the connecting rod was not beat out of round, surprisingly... On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:14:29PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > My Citroen Diesel died on me. > > At the autopsy they found that one of the preheating chambers had broken off, > fallen in the cylinder, and was now nicely embedded in the piston crown. > > Oh, and the con rod is slightly bent too. > > Local Citroen mech wants to replace the offending piston and rings, put in a > new con rod, put in new pre-combustion chambers all round and skim the head. > > Given the engine has 89.000 km (about 55.000 mile to the unmetric heathens) > should I get all other pistons, and the piston-liners replaced too ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:37:14 -0500 From: Wiard Pless Subject: [db] G Wagon may be new business opportunity for you in Seattle http://tinyurl.com/d7c5la Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Diesel down ! most of us unmetric heathens would not spend money on a citroen... whether by choice, lack of opportunity, stupidity, ignorance, or wisdom, we know not... :) but if it were something of available value, like a Mercedes Diesel, then I would say go for a complete set of new internal parts, after all, the patient is open and no point in having one good part amongst the rest, even if they aren't that bad... now sure, I wouldn't make a good doctor, not many patients would appreciate having their liver, lungs and heart all transplanted just because they had the misfortune of having appendicitis. :) bottom line, go with a complete engine rebuild... refresh it now. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # My Citroen Diesel died on me. # # At the autopsy they found that one of the preheating chambers had broken off, # fallen in the cylinder, and was now nicely embedded in the piston crown. # # Oh, and the con rod is slightly bent too. # # Local Citroen mech wants to replace the offending piston and rings, put in a # new con rod, put in new pre-combustion chambers all round and skim the head. # # Given the engine has 89.000 km (about 55.000 mile to the unmetric heathens) # should I get all other pistons, and the piston-liners replaced too ? # # Cheers, # # Ron. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:38:40 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life My wife had one (Mercury version) and we liked it. About 20 in town, almost 30 on the road, until the sensors started to die........ - -- john wrote: the crown vics are pretty decent cars... my sister has one... if I recall correctly was getting 18mpg + running around orlando. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # All: # # Yes, I sold the '85 with the 6.9 a while back and replaced it with the '97 # 7.3. I agree with your diagnosis: probably lift pump or cracked line. BTW, # I've experienced this symptom on several diesel vehicles and wondered if # there isn't supposed to be a check valve somewhere to prevent losing prime. # # Also, with the '97 F250 that makes 3 Fords for me now. Checking Consumer # Reports last spring I found that the Crown Vics were a good deal for a # reliable used car. I found two on Craig's within a few weeks for giveaway # prices (one guy was buying a Prius). It looks like my son and I have lucked # into a few years of low gas prices for these decent vehicles. My '95 gets # as good mileage as the 300SD on road trips. # # # Greg Fiorentino # '85 300SD # '80 240D 4 spd. manual # '79 300DT (with new crate engine) # '95 and '97 Crown Vics # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Kevin # Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:49 PM # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life # # Hope it's something annoying like the fuel filter needing replacement or the # lift pump getting tired, and not something expensive like an injector pump # going out. There's a bleed hole in the lift pump, which I can't remember # where # it is on the indirect fords, and don't have one in the yard to go check. If # it was a direct one, it would be in the V towards the transmission side of # the engine. # # I'd probably blame the lift pump before the injector pump, or a hard line # with # a crack in it, but I'll defer to Jim who has one of the indirects currently # in the fleet (needing an injector pump). I think Greg had one of these too, # can't remember if he still had his (though I thought his was a 6.9). # # On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:40:04AM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > You've been warned: this is off topic. Well, there's diesel in it. # > # > My van has the first year of the 7.3 IH diesel engine in it, non-turbo. # Very # > strong running van, I pulled 12,000 pounds through the mountains in WV # with it # > when I moved to MI last summer. # > # > But lately, it has been acting like it's losing its prime when parked, and # the # > lines underneath are good; I checked. It starts readily, but immediately # dies, # > and doesn't start again without a good deal of cranking. Doesn't always do # it, # > so I wonder if the horrible ULSD is drying out the seals, so I put some # oil in # > the fuel to hopefully help the seals out, and we'll see what happens. In # the # > meantime, any thoughts from you would be welcome. # > # > On another note, Ford has (so far) refused a government bailout, so, # frankly, # > I wish I had money to go buy one. I really appreciate the integrity Ford # has # > shown by refusing to take a handout from the government. # > # > So if somebody is considering buying a car, please at least consider # buying a # > new Ford. These days, that strikes me as downright patriotic. I would, if # I # > could.................. # ____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbusptkZ59owQXNAFijnEMAU5Mbco LVzckAzSuBL3RhMoEKTF/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] things that john should just not see I used a Buick 3.8L V6 once in a Chevy Luv... it went into my '67 Wagoneer after that. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Kevin wrote: # for fear of the bad ideas that he'd get, though he wouldn't drop GN cash # to cut up and make something this psycho. He does want to remain married, # I imagine, and his wife's a better shot than he is :) # # Words to describe this are certainly not PG rated ;) # # http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/gearhead-garage/duramax-grand-national-25506 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:49:57 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life I just replaced the lift pump, and I'm pretty sure that was it. There were signs of leakage visible at the weep hole, so I think the diaphragm tore, and I furthermore have a feeling that the fuel was all siphoning down into the oil. (Will be a very clean engine, eh? It will evaporate eventually and get sucked out the PCV, so I'm not too worried about it. It can't be too much, since it only got really bad in the last few days.) I also have a feeling that it managed to siphon all the love out of the fuel filter, which means I have a lot of cranking ahead to bring it to life. But the new pump is certainly more aggressive, so maybe it won't take too horribly long. I'm wondering what the benefit to utilizing that tire valve on the filter housing would be......... If there is a check valve anywhere, it's in the IP. There are no signs of one anywhere else. But it doesn't matter, because a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING diaphragm pump is 2 check valves in series, which prevents drainoff. More news later... J - -- "Greg Fiorentino" wrote: All: Yes, I sold the '85 with the 6.9 a while back and replaced it with the '97 7.3. I agree with your diagnosis: probably lift pump or cracked line. BTW, I've experienced this symptom on several diesel vehicles and wondered if there isn't supposed to be a check valve somewhere to prevent losing prime. Also, with the '97 F250 that makes 3 Fords for me now. Checking Consumer Reports last spring I found that the Crown Vics were a good deal for a reliable used car. I found two on Craig's within a few weeks for giveaway prices (one guy was buying a Prius). It looks like my son and I have lucked into a few years of low gas prices for these decent vehicles. My '95 gets as good mileage as the 300SD on road trips. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:49 PM To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Hope it's something annoying like the fuel filter needing replacement or the lift pump getting tired, and not something expensive like an injector pump going out. There's a bleed hole in the lift pump, which I can't remember where it is on the indirect fords, and don't have one in the yard to go check. If it was a direct one, it would be in the V towards the transmission side of the engine. I'd probably blame the lift pump before the injector pump, or a hard line with a crack in it, but I'll defer to Jim who has one of the indirects currently in the fleet (needing an injector pump). I think Greg had one of these too, can't remember if he still had his (though I thought his was a 6.9). On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:40:04AM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > You've been warned: this is off topic. Well, there's diesel in it. > > My van has the first year of the 7.3 IH diesel engine in it, non-turbo. Very > strong running van, I pulled 12,000 pounds through the mountains in WV with it > when I moved to MI last summer. > > But lately, it has been acting like it's losing its prime when parked, and the > lines underneath are good; I checked. It starts readily, but immediately dies, > and doesn't start again without a good deal of cranking. Doesn't always do it, > so I wonder if the horrible ULSD is drying out the seals, so I put some oil in > the fuel to hopefully help the seals out, and we'll see what happens. In the > meantime, any thoughts from you would be welcome. > > On another note, Ford has (so far) refused a government bailout, so, frankly, > I wish I had money to go buy one. I really appreciate the integrity Ford has > shown by refusing to take a handout from the government. > > So if somebody is considering buying a car, please at least consider buying a > new Ford. These days, that strikes me as downright patriotic. I would, if I > could.................. ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/u4MuSHFRkMDVqVKM0i2mLoHEKikJxAzOl YVNbvG7J4Hdwd150JETl/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:00:18 -0800 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: [db] Monark Injectors I was clearing out my email and ran across the email address of the guy who is importing Monark injectors from Germany. I bought the nozzles from him and am getting much better mileage in spite of the fact that my injectors leak. Right after I was done building a pop-tester and buying shims and cleaning kits, he told me he was able to get pre-assembled injectors. I wish I had waited and bought those instead of building my own. His name is Sean and he can be reached at: hessianimports-at-bellsouth.net His customer service is good and he ships promptly. I have no interest in his business. Eric Ditwiler Director, Academic Operations Harvey Mudd College 909-607-3134 eric_ditwiler-at-hmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:42:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: G Wagon I could buy one for 2 months of the rent that would look a lot nicer... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Wiard Pless wrote: # may be new business opportunity for you in Seattle # # http://tinyurl.com/d7c5la # # Wiard # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:51:02 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Re: G Wagon Yeah, but the most valuable part of that ghetto wagen is the sounds system. It probably triples the value of the vehicle. You wouldn't believe how much moola ghetto-dwellers spend on their sound systems and wheels while we pay for their heat, lights, food, and housing. Woohoo. I feel patriotic now.......... [Where'd that come from?!] J - -- john wrote: I could buy one for 2 months of the rent that would look a lot nicer... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Wiard Pless wrote: # may be new business opportunity for you in Seattle # # http://tinyurl.com/d7c5la # # Wiard # ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/u4MuSHFRkLtHWp0aSpvervjQFpQGaCZww CYH4jt2bg5Q7D5K7Nlxt/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Excellent... I sure hope it solves the problem. Hey, so it wasn't too difficult of a job? I'm pretty sure mine is not working correctly either. How hard was it to get at?? Jim - --- On Thu, 1/29/09, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Subject: RE: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 5:49 PM > I just replaced the lift pump, and I'm pretty sure that > was it. There were > signs of leakage visible at the weep hole, so I think the > diaphragm tore, and > I furthermore have a feeling that the fuel was all > siphoning down into the > oil. (Will be a very clean engine, eh? It will evaporate > eventually and get > sucked out the PCV, so I'm not too worried about it. It > can't be too much, > since it only got really bad in the last few days.) I also > have a feeling that > it managed to siphon all the love out of the fuel filter, > which means I have a > lot of cranking ahead to bring it to life. But the new pump > is certainly more > aggressive, so maybe it won't take too horribly long. > I'm wondering what the > benefit to utilizing that tire valve on the filter housing > would be......... > > If there is a check valve anywhere, it's in the IP. > There are no signs of one > anywhere else. But it doesn't matter, because a > PROPERLY FUNCTIONING diaphragm > pump is 2 check valves in series, which prevents drainoff. > > More news later... > > J > > -- "Greg Fiorentino" > wrote: > All: > > Yes, I sold the '85 with the 6.9 a while back and > replaced it with the '97 > 7.3. I agree with your diagnosis: probably lift pump or > cracked line. BTW, > I've experienced this symptom on several diesel > vehicles and wondered if > there isn't supposed to be a check valve somewhere to > prevent losing prime. > > Also, with the '97 F250 that makes 3 Fords for me now. > Checking Consumer > Reports last spring I found that the Crown Vics were a good > deal for a > reliable used car. I found two on Craig's within a few > weeks for giveaway > prices (one guy was buying a Prius). It looks like my son > and I have lucked > into a few years of low gas prices for these decent > vehicles. My '95 gets > as good mileage as the 300SD on road trips. > > > Greg Fiorentino > '85 300SD > '80 240D 4 spd. manual > '79 300DT (with new crate engine) > '95 and '97 Crown Vics > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Kevin > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:49 PM > To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life > > Hope it's something annoying like the fuel filter > needing replacement or the > lift pump getting tired, and not something expensive like > an injector pump > going out. There's a bleed hole in the lift pump, which > I can't remember > where > it is on the indirect fords, and don't have one in the > yard to go check. If > it was a direct one, it would be in the V towards the > transmission side of > the engine. > > I'd probably blame the lift pump before the injector > pump, or a hard line > with > a crack in it, but I'll defer to Jim who has one of the > indirects currently > in the fleet (needing an injector pump). I think Greg had > one of these too, > can't remember if he still had his (though I thought > his was a 6.9). > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:40:04AM +0000, > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > You've been warned: this is off topic. Well, > there's diesel in it. > > > > My van has the first year of the 7.3 IH diesel engine > in it, non-turbo. > Very > > strong running van, I pulled 12,000 pounds through the > mountains in WV > with it > > when I moved to MI last summer. > > > > But lately, it has been acting like it's losing > its prime when parked, and > the > > lines underneath are good; I checked. It starts > readily, but immediately > dies, > > and doesn't start again without a good deal of > cranking. Doesn't always do > it, > > so I wonder if the horrible ULSD is drying out the > seals, so I put some > oil in > > the fuel to hopefully help the seals out, and > we'll see what happens. In > the > > meantime, any thoughts from you would be welcome. > > > > On another note, Ford has (so far) refused a > government bailout, so, > frankly, > > I wish I had money to go buy one. I really appreciate > the integrity Ford > has > > shown by refusing to take a handout from the > government. > > > > So if somebody is considering buying a car, please at > least consider > buying a > > new Ford. These days, that strikes me as downright > patriotic. I would, if > I > > could.................. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > FTD.com > Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/u4MuSHFRkMDVqVKM0i2mLoHEKikJxAzOl > YVNbvG7J4Hdwd150JETl/ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2985 **********************************