From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 2 05:31:37 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, February 2 2009 Volume 01 : Number 2988 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] happy little Diesel [db] the Diesel score... Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] happy little Diesel it is a japanese engine... exhaust is on the correct side for a jeep. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com/fotos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Hey, all the plumbing is on the "wrong" side!!! # Did that diesel come out of a RHD truck?? # # diesel john wrote: # > started up the '86 cj-10a today while cleaning # > up around the shop... # > decided to take a video of it idling away... it # > just sounded so nice... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/HappyDiesel_3.3-31Jan2009.MOV # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/31-Jan-2009/ # > # > I am giving very serious thought to putting this # > engine into an XJ. # > I need to sell my '94 Blazer Diesel first... # > someone is coming over # > to look at it... found a number of nice # > potential XJs. Figure I'll # > put the extracted 4.0L into the Cj-10A to keep # > it running, or sell # > it with "some assembly" required. :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://freegift.com # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:52:08 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] the Diesel score... neither party came out to look at the CJ-10A. expect both to eventually make it up here... both are out of the area and seem interested... one guy came out to look at the Diesel blazer, but has no money... did have a Diesel toyota and an '87 300SDL, with engine troubles... he's got a buyer for the toyota coming soon, so he might be back... I'm not buying any more jeeps until something sells. ;) looked at the engine setup in the '67 J100 panel with the 232 I-6, the motor mounts sit much further back than they do on the 3.3L I-6 in the CJ-10A, so I'm thinking that the 4.0L mounts wouldn't work directly for the 3.3L Diesel, and would have to be moved forward on the uni-frame on the XJ... not eager to do something like that... one of the guys coming up to look at the cj-10a has that samurai, a TDI conversion will cost about $1500 and is kind of intriguing, despite the overall quality of the sami... all kinds of ideas and fun... :) keep that popcorn fresh. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf http://wagoneers.com/fotos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 04:49:40 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life YUCK YUCK YUCK! Turns out, there was fuel in the filter. The next morning, when my pastor was available to help me, we messed around with it a bit more, and I had him crank it whilst I pushed the tire valve on the filter. (I still think that's so weird.) It gushed. So I took the doghouse off. I noticed a melty cover over an electrical box that I had previously ignored. It said "do not jump start here" and I thought that was stupid since it clearly didn't have enough meat to the wires to push a diesel starter, but whatever. A summarial examination of its wiring (something I had never bothered to do before) showed that it was the glow plug controller, and the relay perched atop it was burned out. So it was off to the parts store, where another $25 in the fire brought home a new relay. When I first put it back together, I questioned whether I had wired it correctly, because it gave no indication of working, but on closer inspection, I realized that I had remounted it such that the ground was poor. Cleaned that up and rearranged the washers and the glow plugs were obviously working again. A little more cranking and.....life!.....for a second or two. Then the air showed up again. But a few more tries, and it caught and held. It still sputtered a bit after I drove it a few miles, parked it, then started it up again, but it is now running flawlessly. Better than ever. Which leads me to this conclusion: a failing lift pump caused me to overuse the starter, frying the solenoid, and the glow plug relay chose that moment to quit because it was tired already and just didn't want to deal with my constant pinging it to try to invoke life from an engine that just wasn't fueled properly. And the storal of the morey is................you don't have to crack the injector lines and bleed the IP if you're persistent and willing to let it run a little funny while it works itself out. I have never done so, and so far, have never felt that it would be advantageous to do so. It'll stumble around for a bit when it first catches, but you just keep the hammer down until it refills and runs right. It will. Oh yes, it will. 8^D (By the way, this setup uses a mechanical pump on the engine, not an electric one in the tank, hence cranking is required to move fuel on mine.) So I'm loving my van again, and this nightmare has come to an end. Unfortunately, there's a non-mechanical one that started the Monday after the fateful diesel Saturday..........maybe I'll share it later. J - -- Kevin wrote: I cheat. I pour a can of diesel purge (which is prechamber safe) into the filter bowl to help the process. The filter bowl has the air bleed for purging the lines, but if air gets past the filter, you get the pleasure of cracking a bunch of injector lines to bleed air from the IP... On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:21:10PM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > I still haven't gotten it to start yet, since the fuel filter still hasn't > refilled. If I don't get it soon, I'm going to go get my topsider and jury-rig > it to that tire valve and use a long-stroke manual fuel pump on it for a bit, > cuz it takes a lot of cranking to do it with the lift pump, and I'm getting > really tired of being stuck at my friend's house. I have been stuck here for 2 > days already. YUCK! I love him to death, but I have things I need to do that > involve being able to go places! ____________________________________________________________ FTD.com Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/u4MuSHFRkLkbjqV1T1CzpupCXgsbKDC1J 1hhcsKFkoKGAX7PPmpGv/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 05:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life Excellent! Glad to hear that it's running well again. I headed out yesterday and started disassembling the front right brake system on my RAM. You have to pull the hub/bearing assembly to get the rotor off. They mounted the rotor BEHIND the hub and pushed the lug nuts through to hold it all together as an assembly! What a PIA!! And the hub assembly is notorious for rusting itself solid to the control arm. That's what happened on the driver's side last year! Hopefully, taking what I learned last year, this side will go more smoothly... ;) Jim - --- On Sun, 2/1/09, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Subject: Re: [db] OT: The 2 Fords in my life > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:49 PM > YUCK YUCK YUCK! > > Turns out, there was fuel in the filter. > > The next morning, when my pastor was available to help me, > we messed around > with it a bit more, and I had him crank it whilst I pushed > the tire valve on > the filter. (I still think that's so weird.) It gushed. > So I took the doghouse > off. I noticed a melty cover over an electrical box that I > had previously > ignored. It said "do not jump start here" and I > thought that was stupid since > it clearly didn't have enough meat to the wires to push > a diesel starter, but > whatever. A summarial examination of its wiring (something > I had never > bothered to do before) showed that it was the glow plug > controller, and the > relay perched atop it was burned out. So it was off to the > parts store, where > another $25 in the fire brought home a new relay. When I > first put it back > together, I questioned whether I had wired it correctly, > because it gave no > indication of working, but on closer inspection, I realized > that I had > remounted it such that the ground was poor. Cleaned that up > and rearranged the > washers and the glow plugs were obviously working again. A > little more > cranking and.....life!.....for a second or two. Then the > air showed up again. > But a few more tries, and it caught and held. It still > sputtered a bit after I > drove it a few miles, parked it, then started it up again, > but it is now > running flawlessly. Better than ever. > > Which leads me to this conclusion: a failing lift pump > caused me to overuse > the starter, frying the solenoid, and the glow plug relay > chose that moment to > quit because it was tired already and just didn't want > to deal with my > constant pinging it to try to invoke life from an engine > that just wasn't > fueled properly. > > And the storal of the morey is................you don't > have to crack the > injector lines and bleed the IP if you're persistent > and willing to let it run > a little funny while it works itself out. I have never done > so, and so far, > have never felt that it would be advantageous to do so. > It'll stumble around > for a bit when it first catches, but you just keep the > hammer down until it > refills and runs right. It will. Oh yes, it will. 8^D (By > the way, this setup > uses a mechanical pump on the engine, not an electric one > in the tank, hence > cranking is required to move fuel on mine.) > > So I'm loving my van again, and this nightmare has come > to an end. > Unfortunately, there's a non-mechanical one that > started the Monday after the > fateful diesel Saturday..........maybe I'll share it > later. > > J > > -- Kevin wrote: > I cheat. I pour a can of diesel purge (which is prechamber > safe) into the > filter bowl to help the process. The filter bowl has the > air bleed for > purging > the lines, but if air gets past the filter, you get the > pleasure of cracking > a bunch of injector lines to bleed air from the IP... > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:21:10PM +0000, > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > I still haven't gotten it to start yet, since the > fuel filter still hasn't > > refilled. If I don't get it soon, I'm going to > go get my topsider and > jury-rig > > it to that tire valve and use a long-stroke manual > fuel pump on it for a > bit, > > cuz it takes a lot of cranking to do it with the lift > pump, and I'm getting > > really tired of being stuck at my friend's house. > I have been stuck here for > 2 > > days already. YUCK! I love him to death, but I have > things I need to do > that > > involve being able to go places! > > > ____________________________________________________________ > FTD.com > Shop now and save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/u4MuSHFRkLkbjqV1T1CzpupCXgsbKDC1J > 1hhcsKFkoKGAX7PPmpGv/ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2988 **********************************