From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 16 12:00:55 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, February 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3001 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] saga of the cj-10a Re: [db] saga of the cj-10a [db] snohomish monster carport update [db] Re: fsj: snohomish monster carport update [db] Paris-Dakar, Free Fries, and WVO racing [db] Re: [CJ-10List] re: variations on the theme [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] saga of the cj-10a Why not just put the engine into the GW? Is the GW too heavy? Jim - --- On Sat, 2/14/09, diesel john wrote: > From: diesel john > Subject: [db] saga of the cj-10a > To: > Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 8:03 PM > looks like I found an '85 Grand Wagoneer that I'll > swap for a laptop... > > not sure if I'll swap the axles to the existing CJ-10A > chassis or move > the cab and clip and engine to the GW frame and axles and > build a flatbed > on the back of the wag. :) > > no cash out of pocket... and I'll have a few GW parts > as well. :) > > we'll see, should happen on Monday... keep the popcorn > fresh. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://freegift.com > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:19:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] saga of the cj-10a that's kind of my thought... will be posting a popcorn special shortly, getting some pictures together. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Why not just put the engine into the GW? Is the GW too heavy? # # Jim # # --- On Sat, 2/14/09, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: [db] saga of the cj-10a # > To: # > Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 8:03 PM # > looks like I found an '85 Grand Wagoneer that I'll # > swap for a laptop... # > # > not sure if I'll swap the axles to the existing CJ-10A # > chassis or move # > the cab and clip and engine to the GW frame and axles and # > build a flatbed # > on the back of the wag. :) # > # > no cash out of pocket... and I'll have a few GW parts # > as well. :) # > # > we'll see, should happen on Monday... keep the popcorn # > fresh. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://freegift.com # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:39:54 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] snohomish monster carport update over this weekend some interesting deals lined up... which hopefully will play out tomorrow... found a portable generator welder... 4kw/125AC lincoln buzz box... and an '85 Grand Wagoneer that I'm trading for an extra laptop... so, now, I'm trying to decide if I'm going to: 1) fix up the '86 CJ-10A with the GW axles and make a flatbed, that might look something like this: (with proper fenders of course) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Ouray2002/Aug17-BBQ/p8175590_.jpg or, 2) move the 3.3L Diesel / 727 / np208 to the 85 GW and modify the back end to make it a 4dr pickup like this: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Ouray2002/Modified-Wag-4dr-Pickup/ If I create the CJ-10A flatbed I'll probably need to move the springs back a bit... welder showed up just in time... but it'll still be a cramped 2dr unit... a bit ugly and very unique. Previous experience shows this setup should get over 20mpg... and with a nice little flatbed will be able to move WVO barrels around nicely. If I go for the custom Wagoneer it'll be a nicer ride and I can sell the cab from the CJ-10a... but then I won't have a CJ-10A any more... of course I will be able to get auto insurance... :) But I suspect it'll weigh more, go slower and get less mileage... and it's unlikely my body shop skills will result in something better than those pictures... ...keep that popcorn fresh... **************************************** WHAT's the better idea? #1 or #2? :) **************************************** What's the least work? probably #1. :) What's the most practical? probably #2 Which will my wife like? easy, neither. :) While making a dump run today with the trailer and WJ we figured out why we really need three vehicles... the left rear caliper seized on the WJ and we had a bit of a smoke show going... limped it home, but now need to swap out the rear calipers. :( Thankfully the guy with the welder will deliver it... but I suspect it would have fit in the trunk of the 300D. :) john -o|||||o- 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 15 mpg 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 29 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) in work: 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14 mpg 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer 1986 CJ-10A 3.3L Diesel/AT merge with '85 GW??? 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel 232/T-85/D20 -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: snohomish monster carport update oh, one other option... #3) move the 3.3L Diesel/727 and cab to the GW frame and build a flatbed on the GW frame... 108" wheelbase... however, that option would require removing two bodies and two engines/trans... would get the nice ride of the GW for the CJ-10A, still have cramped 2dr cab and weight issues, as well as insurance issues... Not sure I need that big of a flatbed... having 4drs would be EXCELLENT in this climate, I can toss computers, groceries and the occassional passengers in the back seat... the front seats could recline... who knows this might even work out very well, better than a REAL grand wagoneer because it wouldn't have that back window and tailgate to deal with. :) I'm leaning toward #2, but once I REALLY think about what is involved and what I will end up with I'll probably come to my senses... we'll see... hasn't happened so far... and why the heck should it? :) Figuring out all these technical issues is the fun part! Ever notice how nutcases like me move from one odd-ball project to the next? It's the adventure, the learning process, and of course for y'all, the entertainment value. popcorn anyone? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, diesel john wrote: # over this weekend some interesting deals lined up... # which hopefully will play out tomorrow... # # found a portable generator welder... 4kw/125AC lincoln buzz box... # and an '85 Grand Wagoneer that I'm trading for an extra laptop... # # so, now, I'm trying to decide if I'm going to: # # 1) fix up the '86 CJ-10A with the GW axles and make a flatbed, that might # look something like this: (with proper fenders of course) # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Ouray2002/Aug17-BBQ/p8175590_.jpg # # or, # # 2) move the 3.3L Diesel / 727 / np208 to the 85 GW and modify the # back end to make it a 4dr pickup like this: # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Ouray2002/Modified-Wag-4dr-Pickup/ # # # If I create the CJ-10A flatbed I'll probably need to move the springs back # a bit... welder showed up just in time... but it'll still be a cramped 2dr # unit... a bit ugly and very unique. Previous experience shows this setup # should get over 20mpg... and with a nice little flatbed will be able to # move WVO barrels around nicely. # # If I go for the custom Wagoneer it'll be a nicer ride and I can sell the cab # from the CJ-10a... but then I won't have a CJ-10A any more... of course I # will be able to get auto insurance... :) But I suspect it'll weigh more, go # slower and get less mileage... and it's unlikely my body shop skills will result # in something better than those pictures... # # ...keep that popcorn fresh... # # **************************************** # # WHAT's the better idea? #1 or #2? :) # # **************************************** # What's the least work? probably #1. :) # # What's the most practical? probably #2 # # Which will my wife like? easy, # neither. :) # # # While making a dump run today with the trailer and WJ we figured out # why we really need three vehicles... the left rear caliper seized on the WJ # and we had a bit of a smoke show going... limped it home, but now need to # swap out the rear calipers. :( Thankfully the guy with the welder will # deliver it... but I suspect it would have fit in the trunk of the 300D. :) # # john # # -o|||||o- # # 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 15 mpg 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 # 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 29 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) # in work: 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14 mpg 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) # # 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer # # 1986 CJ-10A 3.3L Diesel/AT merge with '85 GW??? # 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel 232/T-85/D20 # # -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:18:51 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: [db] Paris-Dakar, Free Fries, and WVO racing Website is all in French, but here's a Paris/Dakar (really Argentina & Chile) entry that ran on WVO, and provided free French Fries at every checkpoint(!): http://www.chtifriterie.com/ If you don't/can't comprendre le Frangais you can run the page through Google's translator: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] re: variations on the theme On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Dave Bell wrote: # I don't know. I kind of like issue #2, but I think that's mostly because that waggy truck looks a whole lot like an old IH Wagonmaster. Either way, you'll have something different than everyone else, especially with the diesel. # --- # Dave Bell # 2LT, USARNG # FSC 120 EN #1 - cj-10a mini - swap GW axles on, build a small box... #2 - move 3.3L Diesel into GW, cut back off... make into 4dr GW pickup... #3 - move the CJ-10 cab and drivetrain to GW frame, build flatbed... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html Yeah, the GW pickup idea is nice... I test drove a Ford Sport Trak when they came out... what a horrible handling truck... dangerous, you could roll that thing with minimal effort... my concern with #2 (the 4dr pickup wag with the 3.3L Diesel) is weight. or more specifically, the ability of the stock drive train to move weight. :) The full Wagoneer frame will be heavier than the CJ-10A frame, not sure by how much... it's about two feet longer, will measure later... with a light enough flatbed it might work out nicely... Lot of work though... The cab of the CJ-10A and front clip certainly have to weigh less than the front clip and cabin of a Grand Wagoneer... the doors alone will add about 200 pounds... I think that the 4dr wag build would be better suited for another 6.2L Diesel project. :) Not sure I want to do another one this soon. And not with an '85 either... I bypassed an '87 that had a torn up headliner... and a nice color... I think I was afraid I'd build up another GW. :) The little mini-pickup/flatbed on the existing CJ-10A frame has more potential. I like the looks of the mini-truck. I'm encouraged by the fact it's been done before with excellent economy. I've got a 10 mile commute in a mild climate... that removable top is kind of cool too, but I will need a top of some kind to keep the sun off of me... have had some skin cancer issues on my ear... :( Guess I'll just open the rear window and take the doors off in nice weather... Anyway, by using the GW axles and smaller tires I'll shed weight... more weight loss means more chance of actually doing the speed limit. Or at least getting good in town mileage. I've got a nice Jeep and a nice Diesel Benz, so I'm changing my objectives a bit on this build. Just going to make a nice Diesel runabout for collecting (and using) WVO/Biodiesel. I'm thinking that I could use the sport bar from my J10 stepside as a roll bar for this thing... would secure it to the frame. Problem is it's 105 miles away right now... Dont' think there is much of a stability issue despite the short wheelbase, will have Wagoneer axles under it with Wag springs... not sure if the wheelbase will be 80 or 93 inches... need to get that box off the back again so I can see what I'm working with. Have several sets of GW and J10 springs laying around. :) If anyone has an extra set of GW axles laying about, I could make use of them on the remains of the '85, if I get it... nothing is firm yet... if the axle ratio on the '85 is wrong I may go for the 3.31's I found and that will definitely make this a mini-truck. ;) Also could use a set of lower gears for my '67 J100 Panel, it currently has 3.07s... :( I may use the 360 in the panel if I can convince my son to part with the 232... we'll see... wish the current axles (from a 75 NT chero) were driver's side drop... For most people it's nice to have options... the problem for me is I usually have too many options, but never enough money or time... or skill... or space... :) 99% of the fun is figuring out the solutions... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:35:37 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were investigating Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] Cheers, Ron. - -- Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:27:32 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such reasons. There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ J - -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were investigating Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] Cheers, Ron. - -- Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5DaN cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... I think there is probably a legitimate concern for public safety... there are pathogens and other nasties in human material that could seriously create a widespread health issue... sure, processing it and burning it would probably eliminate the risk, but handling and storing it prior to processing creates a very possibly public health risk. Making use of such waste in a healthful and proper manner would make sense, but would it be cost effective and mitigate the associated public health risks? I don't think this is a situation where government is out of control or wrong... DO YOU WANT TO BE BREATHING that exhaust not knowing if the fat being burned was from a healthy person or was properly handled? Not trying to play the FUD card, really... at first I thought it might be a good use of the material... but the health risks of the unprocessed material could be quite serious... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such # reasons. # # There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, # that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars # diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ # # J # # -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: # # # Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were # investigating # Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he # had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of # liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using # medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in # patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging # about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The # vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I # have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # Those who cannot remember the past # are condemned to repeat it. # -- George Santayana # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Criminal Lawyers - Click here. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5DaN # cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3001 **********************************