From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 16 19:13:20 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, February 17 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3002 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] 250K, only 60K more... Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... [db] axle donor found :) RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] 250K, only 60K more... my '91 300D turned 250,000 miles this morning: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-16-250K-300D-misc-commute/ only 60,000 more to go to get the next Mercedes mileage award.... :) Bought it 1-Jul-2003 with 172,789 miles.. so that's 77,311 miles in about 5.5 years... or roughly 15k/yr, so it'll be another 4 years... yeah, right... we'll see if that happens... :) other pictures on that link include some low light tests with the D300... and a trunk capacity test... put a server in the trunk and still had room. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:00:29 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... The exhaust will be quite safe; it's hot in those cylinders. I guess you can make the pathogen argument, but I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat. There's risks both ways; just use common sense. I do think the government is overreacting. After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat. 8^D J - -- john wrote: I think there is probably a legitimate concern for public safety... there are pathogens and other nasties in human material that could seriously create a widespread health issue... sure, processing it and burning it would probably eliminate the risk, but handling and storing it prior to processing creates a very possibly public health risk. Making use of such waste in a healthful and proper manner would make sense, but would it be cost effective and mitigate the associated public health risks? I don't think this is a situation where government is out of control or wrong... DO YOU WANT TO BE BREATHING that exhaust not knowing if the fat being burned was from a healthy person or was properly handled? Not trying to play the FUD card, really... at first I thought it might be a good use of the material... but the health risks of the unprocessed material could be quite serious... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such # reasons. # # There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, # that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars # diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ # # J # # -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: # # # Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were # investigating # Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he # had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of # liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using # medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in # patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging # about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The # vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I # have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # Those who cannot remember the past # are condemned to repeat it. # -- George Santayana # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Criminal Lawyers - Click here. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5DaN # cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:41:08 -0800 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... << I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat>> Except that human tissue is much more likely to contain human pathogens than turkey tissue! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:00 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... The exhaust will be quite safe; it's hot in those cylinders. I guess you can make the pathogen argument, but I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat. There's risks both ways; just use common sense. I do think the government is overreacting. After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat. 8^D J - -- john wrote: I think there is probably a legitimate concern for public safety... there are pathogens and other nasties in human material that could seriously create a widespread health issue... sure, processing it and burning it would probably eliminate the risk, but handling and storing it prior to processing creates a very possibly public health risk. Making use of such waste in a healthful and proper manner would make sense, but would it be cost effective and mitigate the associated public health risks? I don't think this is a situation where government is out of control or wrong... DO YOU WANT TO BE BREATHING that exhaust not knowing if the fat being burned was from a healthy person or was properly handled? Not trying to play the FUD card, really... at first I thought it might be a good use of the material... but the health risks of the unprocessed material could be quite serious... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such # reasons. # # There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, # that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars # diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ # # J # # -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: # # # Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were # investigating # Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he # had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of # liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using # medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in # patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging # about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The # vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I # have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # Those who cannot remember the past # are condemned to repeat it. # -- George Santayana # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Criminal Lawyers - Click here. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5Da N # cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] axle donor found :) not sure if I'm really going to sacrifice this GW yet... it has the smoothest running 360 I've ever seen, feels light and nimble... has a broken xfr case... trading a toughbook, tires and some cash for it... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1985-GrandWagoneer-axle-donor/ALL.html I'm thinking #1 is the best plan... but may come up with more axles, the guy with the GW has another set as well... if he does I may turn this into #2 http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html I've had 25 Full Size jeeps, this will be #26. Have only had two that felt this nice... Omega was not one of them... my '89 GW and my '81 Wagoneer Limited (old blue) were the only other ones that felt right... oh yeah, and superdawg, but he's a J10... should be home in a couple of days... since the rear caliper seized on my '99 WJ I may end up driving the GW for a couple of days... too bad it doesn't have a hitch. :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:32:03 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Refer to my original reply: "After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat." Somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I do think it reduces the odds. However, caution should be used when handling any bodily substances, including fat. I think that as long as the raw human fat isn't being sold or dumped all over, but used in a cleanly and due-caution manner, the government shouldn't get involved. I guess I'm just not a fan of government telling people what they can and can't do. On a weird side note, I wonder what the exhaust from burning Aunt Petunia's butt in a diesel engine smells like! J - -- "Greg Fiorentino" wrote: << I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat>> Except that human tissue is much more likely to contain human pathogens than turkey tissue! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:00 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... The exhaust will be quite safe; it's hot in those cylinders. I guess you can make the pathogen argument, but I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat. There's risks both ways; just use common sense. I do think the government is overreacting. After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat. 8^D J - -- john wrote: I think there is probably a legitimate concern for public safety... there are pathogens and other nasties in human material that could seriously create a widespread health issue... sure, processing it and burning it would probably eliminate the risk, but handling and storing it prior to processing creates a very possibly public health risk. Making use of such waste in a healthful and proper manner would make sense, but would it be cost effective and mitigate the associated public health risks? I don't think this is a situation where government is out of control or wrong... DO YOU WANT TO BE BREATHING that exhaust not knowing if the fat being burned was from a healthy person or was properly handled? Not trying to play the FUD card, really... at first I thought it might be a good use of the material... but the health risks of the unprocessed material could be quite serious... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such # reasons. # # There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, # that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars # diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ # # J # # -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: # # # Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were # investigating # Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he # had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of # liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using # medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in # patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging # about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The # vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I # have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # Those who cannot remember the past # are condemned to repeat it. # -- George Santayana # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Criminal Lawyers - Click here. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5Da N # cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:03:49 -0800 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... <> Is it appropriate for me to write "LMAO"?? Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:32 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... Refer to my original reply: "After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat." Somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I do think it reduces the odds. However, caution should be used when handling any bodily substances, including fat. I think that as long as the raw human fat isn't being sold or dumped all over, but used in a cleanly and due-caution manner, the government shouldn't get involved. I guess I'm just not a fan of government telling people what they can and can't do. On a weird side note, I wonder what the exhaust from burning Aunt Petunia's butt in a diesel engine smells like! J - -- "Greg Fiorentino" wrote: << I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat>> Except that human tissue is much more likely to contain human pathogens than turkey tissue! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:00 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... The exhaust will be quite safe; it's hot in those cylinders. I guess you can make the pathogen argument, but I think it's no riskier than storing turkey fat. There's risks both ways; just use common sense. I do think the government is overreacting. After all, every contagious and dangerous disease I can think of makes you skinny, not fat. 8^D J - -- john wrote: I think there is probably a legitimate concern for public safety... there are pathogens and other nasties in human material that could seriously create a widespread health issue... sure, processing it and burning it would probably eliminate the risk, but handling and storing it prior to processing creates a very possibly public health risk. Making use of such waste in a healthful and proper manner would make sense, but would it be cost effective and mitigate the associated public health risks? I don't think this is a situation where government is out of control or wrong... DO YOU WANT TO BE BREATHING that exhaust not knowing if the fat being burned was from a healthy person or was properly handled? Not trying to play the FUD card, really... at first I thought it might be a good use of the material... but the health risks of the unprocessed material could be quite serious... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sure, it could be done. But.....I would have kept quiet about it for just such # reasons. # # There's really no reason not to, except stupid people complaining. Oh wait, # that's the only reason to not do a lot of things.........like make all cars # diesel except the hottest of sports cars........ # # J # # -- "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: # # # Forbes magazine reported in December that state authorities were # investigating # Beverly Hills, Calif., plastic surgeon Alan Bittner over his claim that he # had created diesel fuel for his and his girlfriend's SUVs out of # liposuctioned fat from his patients. California law is said to prohibit using # medical waste for such a purpose, but Bittner's claims came to light in # patients' lawsuits over liposuction treatments, quoting Bittner as bragging # about the biodiesel. Bittner wrote on one Web page (no longer online), "The # vast majority of my patients request that I use their fat for fuel, and I # have more fat than I can use." [Forbes.com, 12-28-08] # # Cheers, # # Ron. # -- # Those who cannot remember the past # are condemned to repeat it. # -- George Santayana # # -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Criminal Lawyers - Click here. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbv2k7yRlIr1N8eAGu0y82Fer5Da N # cKkRwB5U5ntQWqHYqOeb/ # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3002 **********************************