From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 17 16:35:15 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, February 18 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3003 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... [db] maybe number 3 [db] RE: number 3 Re: [db] RE: number 3 Re: [db] RE: number 3 Re: [db] RE: number 3 [db] cj-10a... axle swap may be the easiest... [db] Re: Humor.... (or doing the Math) [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? Re: [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? Re: [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? Re: [db] RE: number 3 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:20:09 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:32:03 GMT, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > On a weird side note, I wonder what the exhaust from burning Aunt Petunia's > butt in a diesel engine smells like! Pork Chops. Human, the other white meat! - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... there are some things better not known... I think this falls into that category. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # <> # # Is it appropriate for me to write "LMAO"?? # # # Greg Fiorentino ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Fwd: [steamtechyak] biodiesel... rofl... again, this is one thing I care not to verify... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, chuck goolsbee wrote: # On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:32:03 GMT, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > On a weird side note, I wonder what the exhaust from burning Aunt Petunia's # > butt in a diesel engine smells like! # # Pork Chops. # # Human, the other white meat! # # --chuck goolsbee # 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD # arlington, wa, usa # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] maybe number 3 I'm thinking that #3 might be the best way of going after thinking about how this GW felt in driving it around that scrap yard... the suspension is right, the steering is right, the frame is right, the axles are right... everything is setup and working... pulling the GW body and engine/trans and putting the CJ-10A on this chassis seems to make good sense, should be able to use the GW driveshafts even... then all I'll need is some kind of bed in the back... a small pickup bed or a flat bed. The longer wheelbase will make the CJ-10A ride very nice... and what's even better is I could insure it as a Grand Wagoneer... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1985-GrandWagoneer-axle-donor/ALL.html #1 - cj-10a mini - swap GW axles on, build a small box... #2 - move 3.3L Diesel into GW, cut back off... make into 4dr GW pickup... #3 - move the CJ-10 cab and drivetrain to GW frame, build flatbed... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] RE: number 3 On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: # #3 is the best idea. Do that and be done with it. The other options will # take more time/money. Swap the bodies and start driving it. # # Jim Sterling # Sterling Networks CJ-10 body and engines... remember, this MUST be a DIESEL. :) the 360 is going into the '67 J100 panel... the t-18 from my '80 j10 will go into the panel and hopefully mate to the dana 20, the 3.07 gears we have in the panel with the 35's will work splendidly with the t-18's granny low and the 360 v8. :) (the 4.2 from the '80 goes into the '83 j10 stepside with the t-5) the gw frame and axles will get the cj-10 cab/clip and I'll build a flat bed or mini-pickup bed as light as possible... will use the gw fuel tank and the cj-10 fuel tank for WVO, nice size, will sit up on the bed, will install my barrel lift on the back and be all set up for economical WVO transport and commuting. the longer wheelbase of the GW will make the cj-10 a nice ride and economical too... :) the extra 20" of frame shouldn't add that much weight... the '85 GW has a nice suspension lift and good brakes... this project might actually move along at a reasonable pace once I get the GW here... the panel and j10s will take a bit longer, but there is help from my son and friends on those... figuring out how to get the bodies off will be the most interesting part... left over bits at this point will be the 232, a tf727(jeep), a broken case np228 (or 229), an AW4, a 219, and odds and ends from the GW... oh yeah, can 1,210 lbs of ballast and about 600lbs of bumpers... am I forgeting anything? oh, a pair of cloth WJ seats and a pair of ghastly red leather, or maroon, leather seats out of the gw... I wonder if I'll be able to put the WJ seats in the cj-10? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # diesel john # Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:31 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: maybe number 3 # # I'm thinking that #3 might be the best way of going after thinking about # how this GW felt in driving it around that scrap yard... the suspension # is right, the steering is right, the frame is right, the axles are # right... everything is setup and working... # # pulling the GW body and engine/trans and putting the CJ-10A on this # chassis seems to # make good sense, should be able to use the GW driveshafts even... # # then all I'll need is some kind of bed in the back... a small pickup bed # or a flat bed. # The longer wheelbase will make the CJ-10A ride very nice... and what's # even better is I could insure it as a Grand Wagoneer... :) # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1985-GrandWagoneer-axle-donor/ALL.html # # #1 - cj-10a mini - swap GW axles on, build a small box... # #2 - move 3.3L Diesel into GW, cut back off... make into 4dr GW # pickup... # #3 - move the CJ-10 cab and drivetrain to GW frame, build flatbed... # john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html The vehicle in the upper right... I found that pic when searching right after you announced your acquisition. I thought that was a sharp machine. Isn't that a stock 10a except for the box? I'd make one that looked just like that. That's a sharp machine. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 that is one very viable option and plan... I think once I start looking at what it'll take to move the bodies I may just move the axles and make that one... but the '85 GW is setup nicely suspension wise, so I may move the bodies, the box will be about 20 inches longer... nicer ride, etc. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html # # The vehicle in the upper right... I found that pic when searching # right after you announced your acquisition. I thought that was a # sharp machine. Isn't that a stock 10a except for the box? I'd make # one that looked just like that. That's a sharp machine. # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 So, you'd use the frame and axles from the GW... the engine, cab and front clip from the 10a... and the trans/xfer case from which? Sounds like a LOT of work to me. The current rear axle is too wide on the 10a, right? So you're swapping axles to get equal tracking front to rear, correct? Sounds like a lot less work to me. Probably more versatile machine too. Should have a very nice turning radius. Any which way it will be entertaining for the rest of us... ;) Jim - --- On Tue, 2/17/09, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 > To: "Jim Hoffman" > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:38 AM > that is one very viable option and plan... I think once I > start > looking at what it'll take to move the bodies I may > just move the > axles and make that one... but the '85 GW is setup > nicely suspension wise, > so I may move the bodies, the box will be about 20 inches > longer... nicer > ride, etc. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://freegift.com > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html > # > # The vehicle in the upper right... I found that pic when > searching > # right after you announced your acquisition. I thought > that was a > # sharp machine. Isn't that a stock 10a except for > the box? I'd make > # one that looked just like that. That's a sharp > machine. > # > # Jim > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] cj-10a... axle swap may be the easiest... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Bob Brooks wrote: # John; # You could always put a small sleeper between the cab and the box. # Bob sounds like a great idea... where can I find one? ;) I think Jim Hoffman and I agree on the fact that the CJ-10A shown as ONE on http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html is the sharpest looking... I've got Windows 7 Beta running in my lab with the screen saver showing me pictures of various cj-10as, GWs, wranglers and so on... THREE looks nice, but it's too big... I already have a nice Jeep pickup... I want a little runabout... :) ONE looks the best... Option #1 (swapping axles from the GW to the CJ-10A) seems to be the least amount of work... The thought of removing two bodies and two engines is hurting my back... besides I don't have enough cinder blocks to put 'em all. ;) I may also be able to get another set of axles so I can keep the '85 GW intact. Although it's 360 is most likely going into my '67 J100 Panel. :) The '85 is one of the best "feeling" FSJs I've driven... one of four (out of 26) that I've had. Too bad it's such a ghastly color and has cancer (in the rear fenders): http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1985-GrandWagoneer-axle-donor/ALL.html other options for the GW include making it into a 4dr pickup... we'll see... one (or two or three) projects at a time... :) - -------------------------- So, I my QUESTION is: Is it possible to mount a GW rear axle on the back of the tug WITHOUT having to do any welding or fabrication? Even if I do have to weld, not a problem, just picked up a portable generator/welder last night! :) - -------------------------- I also have access to multiple sets of GW springs front and rear and will be using 235's for my build. I like the idea of a shorter wheelbase, this is NOT my family vehicle, nor will it be a long distance ride. The longest it'll go is about 30 miles to drop WVO off for processing. :) I doubt that the rear springs on the cj-10a will give me a decent ride. I may leave the stock springs in front in place... because, I found out that the 3.3L Nissan Diesel weighs 672 lbs!!! That's about 22lbs more than an AMC 360 V8! Wow. Produces about 1/10th HP per pound... :) I picked up an '85 GW with 3.31s, don't plan on regearing... using 235's helps with the gear ratio a bit... Swapping the axles will be the easiest way of getting my tug on the road. :) I'm also thinking that cutting off bits and pieces of the box I have now will get me up and running. I need to weld a hitch across the back frame rails and beef it up a bit to put my barrel lift on. I've found a lot of good info that the SD33 does well on Biodiesel and WVO. With the tug running I will probably keep looking for a late 80s, early 90s 2.5 or 3.0L TD Mercedes Diesel to mate up to my T-5 in my '83 J10 Stepside... if anyone hears of an adapter to mate Mercedes Diesels to Jeep transmissions please let me know... :) Combining Full Size Jeeps (of which a CJ-10A is because of the GW frame. ;) and Mercedes Diesels... ah yes, keep the popcorn fresh guys... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # -----Original Message----- # Subject: fsj: Re: [db] RE: number 3 # # that is one very viable option and plan... I think once I start # looking at what it'll take to move the bodies I may just move the # axles and make that one... but the '85 GW is setup nicely suspension wise, # so I may move the bodies, the box will be about 20 inches longer... nicer # ride, etc. # john # # On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html # # The vehicle in the upper right... I found that pic when searching # # right after you announced your acquisition. I thought that was a # # sharp machine. Isn't that a stock 10a except for the box? I'd make # # one that looked just like that. That's a sharp machine. # # Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:51:50 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] Re: Humor.... (or doing the Math) On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jon Kessler wrote: # I found this today,, thought you might get a laugh out of it... # # http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/M37B.htm # jon wow. I like the math. Not that any one wants to THINK about that math... I'm planning on swapping axles on my '86 CJ-10A with the '85 GW that I traded for a laptop, tires and cash.... what are you doing this weekend? ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:53:47 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-door.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:12:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? interesting... concerns about side strength in accidents... concerns about getting in or out if battery fails concerns about overall strenght /weight of vehicle concerns about how fast it opens/closes concerns about security if attacked... hard to close quickly in our climate (rains a lot) the time that the window is down... opening and shutting a door usually limits how wet it gets inside... otherwise pretty cool... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://freegift.com http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-door.htm # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:13:55 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] Neat concept - wonder if it will make it to production? On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:53:47 -0500, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-door.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Z1 - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # So, you'd use the frame and axles from the GW... the engine, cab # and front clip from the 10a... and the trans/xfer case from which? well, thinking about it, will use the axles from the GW, IF they'll fit in the back (front is no problem). will use the 3.3l Diesel/tf727(big block mopar, not the jeep version)/np208 # Sounds like a LOT of work to me. The current rear axle is too wide # on the 10a, right? # So you're swapping axles to get equal tracking # front to rear, correct? Sounds like a lot less work to me. agree... the rear axle is a Dana 70, but about 94" wide... if I can bolt the rear GW axle in place I'm doing it, but will likely need to change the springs... they're designed for a 4,000lb tongue weight. :) not to mention the 1,200lbs of ballast. # Probably more versatile machine too. Should have a very nice # turning radius. amazing turning radius. # Any which way it will be entertaining for the rest of us... and for me. especially if I can figure the least amount of work to make it go. :) # # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Tue, 2/17/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] RE: number 3 # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:38 AM # > that is one very viable option and plan... I think once I # > start # > looking at what it'll take to move the bodies I may # > just move the # > axles and make that one... but the '85 GW is setup # > nicely suspension wise, # > so I may move the bodies, the box will be about 20 inches # > longer... nicer # > ride, etc. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://freegift.com # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/cj-10a-ideas.html # > # # > # The vehicle in the upper right... I found that pic when # > searching # > # right after you announced your acquisition. I thought # > that was a # > # sharp machine. Isn't that a stock 10a except for # > the box? I'd make # > # one that looked just like that. That's a sharp # > machine. # > # # > # Jim # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3003 **********************************