From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 2 13:15:36 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 2 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3013 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: just a thought... Re: [db] just a thought... part deux Re: [db] just a thought... part deux Re: [db] just a thought... part deux Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] RE: just a thought... will give that idea some thought... storing the old bed would be an issue... the J10 stepside box is actually an old Willys PU bed. cutting the bed down two feet might be reversible... depending on how I cut out the two feet... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Sterling wrote: # John, # # I believe that the frames on the J trucks and the wag/chero are the same # width and have the same body mount locations for the Jcab. Behind the # jcab the frame changes, but from the back of the cab forward they are # the same (you will want to measure to be sure). That would work and be a # very interesting truck. I would NOT cut down your Jbed. I would keep it # as a trailer in case you ever pick up another Jtruck. Then you could # convert it to a step side. I would either cut down a regular bed (not my # preference) or build a flat bed the way you want it (This is what I # would do. Also saves Jbeds from being cut). Sell the CJ10 cab and use # that money to help with the flat bed, etc. # # Jim Sterling # Sterling Networks # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # diesel john # Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:45 AM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: just a thought... # # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's frame... having the # axles swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW rear springs # flipped around to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around 94" or # so is expected. # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always really liked that # truck... we've had it apart for about eight years now... long, painful, # and somewhat frustrating story... but anyway... here's my thought: # # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the advantages of the J10 # cab is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer with the back end # missing, and since that's the problem part in my mind, it's ideal. # # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit ugly... a brutual # environment basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and # somewhat cool... # # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A chassis (think # shortened Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and my J10 # with a lot less work. # # This also solves another problem... which truck to keep... the CJ-10A # with the Diesel or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led # to more popcorn fodder and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # # # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. But the longer # wheelbase and additional weight wouldn't really work... I'd be wanting # more power... not that I won't dream about more power with the cj-10a's # 3.3L Diesel... but so far after removing the ballast and about 600lbs # worth of bumpers it's performance is acceptable in Puget Sound # traffic... # # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the CJ-10a... then I would # just build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a very # lightweight trailer... # # pass the popcorn... # # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, it's in the shop until # Tuesday. ;) # # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go this way... # # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the J10 because I # won't need the flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the popcorn... let's # hear what ye all # think of such lunacy. :) # # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air conditioning... how # much of the 80 hp will that take? ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux well, that song has been played more than once for my projects... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg it would be a real FSJ though... GW frame, J10 cab and bed... :) just a bit shorter... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # It's really NOT a J-10... It's not a 10a... It's not a GW... It # would be none of those. Listen to Johnny Cash's "One Piece at a Time". # # ;) # # --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: [db] just a thought... part deux # > To: # > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:13 PM # > you know what? the box on the J10 stepside could easily # > be shortened two feet and either cut down my fiberglass # > flares # > or just some other kind of fenders from a trailer... that # > might # > be better since I have slightly narrower axles... # > # > that solves a couple other problems... like the box for the # > cj-10a... a nice cab, and insurance coverage, it would # > still # > be my '83 J10. # > # > may actually need a front clip from a GW to make this work, # > the # > j10 front end is a bit wider... # > # > the only technical problem will be mounting the a/c # > compressor # > to the Nissan Diesel... the engine/trans/xfr case won't # > need # > to be moved... the J10 cab has the floor shifter for the # > xfr case # > in place... could use a GW tilt column, or will need an AT # > floor # > shifter... can even use the WJ leather seats in the J10 # > cab... # > # > will be much nicer than the cj-10a cab setup... # > # > :) waiting for the reality check... ;) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, diesel john wrote: # > # > # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # > # # > # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and it's # > frame... having the axles # > # swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... using GW # > rear springs flipped around # > # to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, around # > 94" or so is expected. # > # # > # # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # > # # > # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have always # > really liked that truck... we've # > # had it apart for about eight years now... long, # > painful, and somewhat frustrating # > # story... but anyway... here's my thought: # > # # > # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # > # # > # Not sure if you're following me... but one of the # > advantages of the J10 cab # > # is it's a nice environment, basically a Wagoneer # > with the back end missing, and # > # since that's the problem part in my mind, it's # > ideal. # > # # > # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a bit # > ugly... a brutual environment # > # basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very unique and # > somewhat cool... # > # # > # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my CJ-10A # > chassis (think shortened # > # Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my DIESEL and # > my J10 with a lot less work. # > # # > # This also solves another problem... which truck to # > keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel # > # or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would have led # > to more popcorn fodder # > # and most likely another Diesel conversion thread. # > # # > # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one option. # > But the longer wheelbase # > # and additional weight wouldn't really work... # > I'd be wanting more power... not # > # that I won't dream about more power with the # > cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far # > # after removing the ballast and about 600lbs worth of # > bumpers it's performance is # > # acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... # > # # > # This also solves wiring issues I've got with the # > CJ-10a... then I would just # > # build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box into a # > very lightweight trailer... # > # # > # pass the popcorn... # > # # > # this won't happen for at least a couple of days, # > it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) # > # # > # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I decide to go # > this way... # > # # > # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front of the # > J10 because I won't need the # > # flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail J10... # > # # > # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with the # > popcorn... let's hear what ye all # > # think of such lunacy. :) # > # # > # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... air # > conditioning... how much of the # > # 80 hp will that take? ;) # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux But it would be the CJ-10a frame wouldn't it? SEE!! You've lost me already!!! ;) I'm not sure how they license stuff in WA, but here it would have to be a "hobbyist" plate. Jim - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john wrote: > From: diesel john > Subject: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux > To: > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:30 PM > well, that song has been played more than once for my > projects... ;) > > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg > > it would be a real FSJ though... GW frame, J10 cab and > bed... :) > > just a bit shorter... :) > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # It's really NOT a J-10... It's not a 10a... > It's not a GW... It > # would be none of those. Listen to Johnny Cash's > "One Piece at a Time". > # > # ;) > # > # --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john > wrote: > # > # > From: diesel john > # > Subject: [db] just a thought... part deux > # > To: > # > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:13 PM > # > you know what? the box on the J10 stepside could > easily > # > be shortened two feet and either cut down my > fiberglass > # > flares > # > or just some other kind of fenders from a > trailer... that > # > might > # > be better since I have slightly narrower axles... > # > > # > that solves a couple other problems... like the box > for the > # > cj-10a... a nice cab, and insurance coverage, it > would > # > still > # > be my '83 J10. > # > > # > may actually need a front clip from a GW to make > this work, > # > the > # > j10 front end is a bit wider... > # > > # > the only technical problem will be mounting the a/c > # > compressor > # > to the Nissan Diesel... the engine/trans/xfr case > won't > # > need > # > to be moved... the J10 cab has the floor shifter > for the > # > xfr case > # > in place... could use a GW tilt column, or will > need an AT > # > floor > # > shifter... can even use the WJ leather seats in the > J10 > # > cab... > # > > # > will be much nicer than the cj-10a cab setup... > # > > # > :) waiting for the reality check... ;) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > # > rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > # > http://fotomeister.us > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, diesel john wrote: > # > > # > # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) > # > # > # > # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and > it's > # > frame... having the axles > # > # swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... > using GW > # > rear springs flipped around > # > # to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, > around > # > 94" or so is expected. > # > # > # > # > # > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html > # > # > # > # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have > always > # > really liked that truck... we've > # > # had it apart for about eight years now... long, > # > painful, and somewhat frustrating > # > # story... but anyway... here's my thought: > # > # > # > # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? > # > # > # > # Not sure if you're following me... but one > of the > # > advantages of the J10 cab > # > # is it's a nice environment, basically a > Wagoneer > # > with the back end missing, and > # > # since that's the problem part in my mind, > it's > # > ideal. > # > # > # > # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a > bit > # > ugly... a brutual environment > # > # basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very > unique and > # > somewhat cool... > # > # > # > # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my > CJ-10A > # > chassis (think shortened > # > # Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my > DIESEL and > # > my J10 with a lot less work. > # > # > # > # This also solves another problem... which truck > to > # > keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel > # > # or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would > have led > # > to more popcorn fodder > # > # and most likely another Diesel conversion > thread. > # > # > # > # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one > option. > # > But the longer wheelbase > # > # and additional weight wouldn't really > work... > # > I'd be wanting more power... not > # > # that I won't dream about more power with the > # > cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far > # > # after removing the ballast and about 600lbs > worth of > # > bumpers it's performance is > # > # acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... > # > # > # > # This also solves wiring issues I've got with > the > # > CJ-10a... then I would just > # > # build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box > into a > # > very lightweight trailer... > # > # > # > # pass the popcorn... > # > # > # > # this won't happen for at least a couple of > days, > # > it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) > # > # > # > # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I > decide to go > # > this way... > # > # > # > # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front > of the > # > J10 because I won't need the > # > # flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail > J10... > # > # > # > # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with > the > # > popcorn... let's hear what ye all > # > # think of such lunacy. :) > # > # > # > # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... > air > # > conditioning... how much of the > # > # 80 hp will that take? ;) > # > # > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > # > don't rust, they mold > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > # > http://fotomeister.us > # > # > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux well the cj-10a part is the cab, which would be sold with it's title to the guy interested... the J10 would be moved to the frame as a bolt right on and I'd use the title to the J10. the state police have a rule of thumb for stuff like this... if it looks like what the title says and you have all the paperwork, they're happy. have talked to them a number of times over the years after building trailers, rebuilding vehicles, etc. have retitled a number of vehicles over the years. If you've got the paperwork and receipts, it's a very painless process. what they're worried about is chop shops stealing vehicles and parting them out or retitling and selling them... we don't have such things as hobbyist plates... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # But it would be the CJ-10a frame wouldn't it? SEE!! You've lost me # already!!! ;) # # I'm not sure how they license stuff in WA, but here it would have to # be a "hobbyist" plate. # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: Re: [db] just a thought... part deux # > To: # > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 2:30 PM # > well, that song has been played more than once for my # > projects... ;) # > # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg # > # > it would be a real FSJ though... GW frame, J10 cab and # > bed... :) # > # > just a bit shorter... :) # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # It's really NOT a J-10... It's not a 10a... # > It's not a GW... It # > # would be none of those. Listen to Johnny Cash's # > "One Piece at a Time". # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # --- On Mon, 3/2/09, diesel john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: diesel john # > # > Subject: [db] just a thought... part deux # > # > To: # > # > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:13 PM # > # > you know what? the box on the J10 stepside could # > easily # > # > be shortened two feet and either cut down my # > fiberglass # > # > flares # > # > or just some other kind of fenders from a # > trailer... that # > # > might # > # > be better since I have slightly narrower axles... # > # > # > # > that solves a couple other problems... like the box # > for the # > # > cj-10a... a nice cab, and insurance coverage, it # > would # > # > still # > # > be my '83 J10. # > # > # > # > may actually need a front clip from a GW to make # > this work, # > # > the # > # > j10 front end is a bit wider... # > # > # > # > the only technical problem will be mounting the a/c # > # > compressor # > # > to the Nissan Diesel... the engine/trans/xfr case # > won't # > # > need # > # > to be moved... the J10 cab has the floor shifter # > for the # > # > xfr case # > # > in place... could use a GW tilt column, or will # > need an AT # > # > floor # > # > shifter... can even use the WJ leather seats in the # > J10 # > # > cab... # > # > # > # > will be much nicer than the cj-10a cab setup... # > # > # > # > :) waiting for the reality check... ;) # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't # > # > rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > # > http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, diesel john wrote: # > # > # > # > # I know, get the popcorn ready... ;) # > # > # # > # > # was just thinking about the '86 cj-10a and # > it's # > # > frame... having the axles # > # > # swapped with GW axles from an '87, 3.31s... # > using GW # > # > rear springs flipped around # > # > # to get another 6" of wheelbase on the tug, # > around # > # > 94" or so is expected. # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2009/02-Feb-28-woodpecker-tugwork/ALL.html # > # > # # > # > # Anyway, I have an '83 J10 Stepside... have # > always # > # > really liked that truck... we've # > # > # had it apart for about eight years now... long, # > # > painful, and somewhat frustrating # > # > # story... but anyway... here's my thought: # > # > # # > # > # WILL the J10 cab bolt up to a WAGONEER frame? # > # > # # > # > # Not sure if you're following me... but one # > of the # > # > advantages of the J10 cab # > # > # is it's a nice environment, basically a # > Wagoneer # > # > with the back end missing, and # > # > # since that's the problem part in my mind, # > it's # > # > ideal. # > # > # # > # > # The CJ-10A is a bit crowded, utilitarian and a # > bit # > # > ugly... a brutual environment # > # > # basically... while the Cj-10a is very, very # > unique and # > # > somewhat cool... # > # > # # > # > # I would think that putting my J10 cab on my # > CJ-10A # > # > chassis (think shortened # > # > # Grand Wagoneer chassis) that I'd have my # > DIESEL and # > # > my J10 with a lot less work. # > # > # # > # > # This also solves another problem... which truck # > to # > # > keep... the CJ-10A with the Diesel # > # > # or the J10 with a 4.2... which of course would # > have led # > # > to more popcorn fodder # > # > # and most likely another Diesel conversion # > thread. # > # > # # > # > # Swapping the Diesel into the J10 chassis is one # > option. # > # > But the longer wheelbase # > # > # and additional weight wouldn't really # > work... # > # > I'd be wanting more power... not # > # > # that I won't dream about more power with the # > # > cj-10a's 3.3L Diesel... but so far # > # > # after removing the ballast and about 600lbs # > worth of # > # > bumpers it's performance is # > # > # acceptable in Puget Sound traffic... # > # > # # > # > # This also solves wiring issues I've got with # > the # > # > CJ-10a... then I would just # > # > # build a custom flatbed and turn my stepside box # > into a # > # > very lightweight trailer... # > # > # # > # > # pass the popcorn... # > # > # # > # > # this won't happen for at least a couple of # > days, # > # > it's in the shop until Tuesday. ;) # > # > # # > # > # BTW, I have a buyer for the cj-10a cab if I # > decide to go # > # > this way... # > # > # # > # > # I might also put Wagoneer fenders on the front # > of the # > # > J10 because I won't need the # > # > # flares... ;) will make a narrow track, bob tail # > J10... # > # > # # > # > # ok... let the flames and arrows intermingle with # > the # > # > popcorn... let's hear what ye all # > # > # think of such lunacy. :) # > # > # # > # > # Will Superdawg get his tail bobbed? :) hmmm... # > air # > # > conditioning... how much of the # > # > # 80 hp will that take? ;) # > # > # # > # > # john # > # > # # > # > # ----- # > # > # # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > # > don't rust, they mold # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > # > http://fotomeister.us # > # > # # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3013 **********************************