From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 17 05:53:02 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 17 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3025 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise Re: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise [db] really bad Diesel fuel Re: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise Re: [db] really bad Diesel fuel [db] RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel [db] the tug is running again! RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:46:09 -0400 From: Wiard Pless Subject: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise John, have also an unwanted exhaust noise, somewhere in the middle. My early 91 car has not a flex pipe. Could not find a hole in the pipes and assumed gasket in the center not sealing anymore. Will check area again when it is a bit warmer. Wiard http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=124128_15S&M=602.962&GA=722.418&GM=717.437&CT=F&cat=15S&SID=49&SGR=285&SGN=02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise I'll call the dealer, they have the VIN and will know which one, but from looking it appears to be item 17, last picture on the bottom... I clicked on the link and it said it emptied my bank account, ran up my credit cards, broke into the wall safe and walked off with my Van Goghs... well, at least that's what I think the message in Russian said... But since I don't have money in my back account, no wall safe or any Van Goghs... I think they meant someone else. soon as I'm off this telcon I'll call phil smart / lynnwood mercedes and see... :) in the meantime, I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, primed and it still won't start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the primary filter off, and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... (which is kind of what I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, but it won't sustain... Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the WJ to work so my wife can run errands in the Benz... the exhaust won't fall down because there is a solid bracket holding that pipe and muffler up if the flex pipe breaks. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Wiard Pless wrote: # John, have also an unwanted exhaust noise, somewhere in the middle. My early # 91 car has not a flex pipe. Could not find # a hole in the pipes and assumed gasket in the center not sealing anymore. # Will check area again when it is a bit warmer. # Wiard # # http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=124128_15S&M=602.962&GA=722.418&GM=717.437&CT=F&cat=15S&SID=49&SGR=285&SGN=02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] really bad Diesel fuel I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, primed and it still won't start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the primary filter off, and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... (which is kind of what I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, but it won't sustain... Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the WJ to work so my wife can run errands in the Benz... Any ideas on how to get it running again??? It didn't run very long with this nasty fuel... sadly it was a lot of water... thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D W124.128 exhaust noise ordered the pipe... my cost $167 something... retail was $215 something, maybe more... should be in tomorrow... talked to an engineer friend who used to design Diesel fuel systems, he didn't think I killed my pump with the bad fuel, will need to crack all the lines and crank until the injectors are wet... I guess when I hit the primer with the filter off I drained all the fuel out so it's going to take a bit more pumping and cranking to get it going again... need to find my good battery charger. :) y'all can look at the pictures of my shop and see if you can spot it... it's got a handle on top, about 2' tall... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Wiard Pless wrote: # John, have also an unwanted exhaust noise, somewhere in the middle. My early # 91 car has not a flex pipe. Could not find # a hole in the pipes and assumed gasket in the center not sealing anymore. # Will check area again when it is a bit warmer. # Wiard # # http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=124128_15S&M=602.962&GA=722.418&GM=717.437&CT=F&cat=15S&SID=49&SGR=285&SGN=02 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] really bad Diesel fuel no, the fuel is fine... the tug sat for a year before I got it... I saw that the fuel was contaminated, my own fault... should have drained that crud out before I started driving it... no one to blame but me... :) (it wasn't a gas station, biodiesel or anything other than old fuel that probably got water in it... the filler is on the top of the bed... who knows how long this thing sat before I got the PO got it... only has 36,000 miles on it.) I'm pretty sure it's just air in the lines at this point... it's highly unlikely that I damaged anything, it wasn't running long, or hard enough... the pump is industrial strength... or so I keep telling myself... rats, just getting the tug ready to be deployed as a daily driver, my wife has a lot of driving to do and will be using the benz more... I'm in the WJ today... not exactly an economy vehicle. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Jeez.. is that a common occurance there? # # Hows the injection pump to filter line? Pump dead? Co-incidently sucking air # somewhere? They are the only things left I can think of unless the water # reached the cylinders(?) # # On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM, diesel john wrote: # # > I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit # > running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, primed # > and it still won't # > start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. # > # > THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the # > primary filter off, # > and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... (which # > is kind of what # > I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... # > # > When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, but # > it won't sustain... # > # > Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the WJ # > to work so my # > wife can run errands in the Benz... # > # > Any ideas on how to get it running again??? It didn't run very long with # > this nasty # > fuel... sadly it was a lot of water... # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] RE: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel thanx! there is still hope!!!! :) when I changed the filters before it was so easy... danged fool, should have dumped that nasty fuel as soon as I suspected it was water... :) this stuff didn't even smell like Diesel... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/P1090280.jpg ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # Purge all the crud, open up the bleed screws on the fuel pump by the # injector lines, pump the plunger until your thumb is about to fall off, use # your other thumb until it is about to break, close the bleed screws, pump # the plunger, you should feel yourself pumping fuel back to the tank through # the spring loaded bypass valve, make sure the glow plugs are still working. # Good luck # # # # From: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf # Of diesel john # Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: [CJ-10List] really bad Diesel fuel # # # # I got some really, really bad fuel into my Nissan SD33 and it quit # running, I drained the tank, put in fresh fuel, I swapped filters, primed # and it still won't # start, we tried cracking the lines and cranking, but no happiness. # # THE ONE THING I did differently was I hit the primer plunger with the # primary filter off, # and a lot of that nasty fuel came out through the filter fittings... (which # is kind of what # I wanted...). I have pulled both filters, they have fuel... # # When I crank I get a little bit of a stumble/start every now and then, but # it won't sustain... # # Have had it on the charger all night... we'll see... guess I'll take the WJ # to work so my # wife can run errands in the Benz... # # Any ideas on how to get it running again??? It didn't run very long with # this nasty # fuel... sadly it was a lot of water... # # thanx, # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ---------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] the tug is running again! finally got started! (had a bit of a fuel problem... the tank had more water than Diesel... when it got below 1/2 tank it was just water... guess this thing sat for over a year with the previous owner...) anyway, fender flares are on, speedo corrected, etc. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tug/2009_Mar_15_washed/ ran it up the hill... the new shocks have improved the ride so it's bearable! running it on 100% BioDiesel and it's doing great... guess these things don't just won't run on water... I should have drained that tank as soon as I saw what was in it... I'm just happy I didn't destroy my Injection Pump. :) taking it to work tomorrow, lots to do, but it's being pressed into daily service. next on the agenda, getting the bed ready to haul WVO barrels, seats, stereo and lighting... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:11:53 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 Thanks for the enlightenment. Now on to the real stuff... :-) I need to replace my serpentine belt which is breaking apart. Apparently it's a new belt but my busted belt tensioner is destroying it prematurely. I might as well replace the shock as well. How difficult a job is it? I haven't checked the prices but I've seen the non-OE tensioners selling for only $40. I imagine the OE part is much more. I'm cheap (maybe I shouldn't even be in this hobby...) so is it very critical that I use the OE part for this? I also need new rotors, front and rear (according to my mechanic). Aftermarket vented types can be had for less than $200 for all 4 rotors. Mine are the OE non-vented type. If there's an advanatge, is it alright to use the vented types? Rico 79 240D 87 300D > >Oh, no. They came without power front windows, of course! >Most Euro W124s are totally devoid of anything even remotely >luxurious. > >You want a tach? That's about 600 quid for a gasser. Front >power windows? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:17:00 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 Jason, you may be spot-on regarding the brakes. Yeah, I guessed that -- air in the system and my pedal would actually sink and not be stiff. We couldn't find anything wrong with them. Except that I have to step harder to get the same braking effect versus my 240D (and other Japanese cars). However, my mechanic has strongly recommended that I replace the rotors - all 4 of them, as they are "already worn down". Is it absolutely necessary to replace the brake pads when installing new rotors? Thanks, Rico > >This may be just how they are supposed to be. The brakes are >quite firm in these compared to American cars (which is what >you're used to?) but that gives much better control over >your braking, once you get used to it. If you feel like both >feet would be helpful, then you definitely have a problem. >If not, it may just be how it's supposed to be. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 I would use OEM parts where ever possible, they may not cost more and they will be of better design and quality. However, with the brake rotors the power-slotted type are preferred. the belt tensioner and serpentine belt tasks are quite easy... study it carefully before taking it apart though. :) pictures help. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Carballo, Rico A. wrote: # Thanks for the enlightenment. Now on to the real stuff... :-) # # I need to replace my serpentine belt which is breaking apart. Apparently # it's a new belt but my busted belt tensioner is destroying it # prematurely. I might as well replace the shock as well. How difficult a # job is it? # # I haven't checked the prices but I've seen the non-OE tensioners selling # for only $40. I imagine the OE part is much more. I'm cheap (maybe I # shouldn't even be in this hobby...) so is it very critical that I use # the OE part for this? # # I also need new rotors, front and rear (according to my mechanic). # Aftermarket vented types can be had for less than $200 for all 4 rotors. # Mine are the OE non-vented type. If there's an advanatge, is it alright # to use the vented types? # # Rico # # 79 240D # 87 300D # # # > # >Oh, no. They came without power front windows, of course! # >Most Euro W124s are totally devoid of anything even remotely # >luxurious. # > # >You want a tach? That's about 600 quid for a gasser. Front # >power windows? # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:52:06 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 I knew you'ld say that :-) OE parts it is! I've decided to get the Brembo slotted types. Rico > >I would use OEM parts where ever possible, they may not cost >more and they will be of better design and quality. > >However, with the brake rotors the power-slotted type are preferred. > >the belt tensioner and serpentine belt tasks are quite >easy... study it carefully before taking it apart though. >:) pictures help. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:42:18 +0800 From: "Carballo, Rico A." Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 BTW, is there an online site where I can access the parts fische for any particular MB by VIN code? Thanks, Rico > >However, with the brake rotors the power-slotted type are preferred. > >the belt tensioner and serpentine belt tasks are quite >easy... study it carefully before taking it apart though. >:) pictures help. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:40:59 -0500 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 Is it absolutely necessary to replace the rotors? Unless they are gouged or warped, they should be fine--unless you are planning on rallying. Slightly worn rotors work better than new--they have more braking surface. I have replaced exactly five rotors in over 50 years of working on automobiles: one when my granddaughter dropped my 300D off the jack and bent a rear rotor and four recently on her Grand Cherokee because they were very warped--a design flaw, as I understand it. Do whatever makes you comfortable. Tom Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Carballo, Rico A. Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:17 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] Contemplating an 87 300D W124 Jason, you may be spot-on regarding the brakes. Yeah, I guessed that -- air in the system and my pedal would actually sink and not be stiff. We couldn't find anything wrong with them. Except that I have to step harder to get the same braking effect versus my 240D (and other Japanese cars). However, my mechanic has strongly recommended that I replace the rotors - all 4 of them, as they are "already worn down". Is it absolutely necessary to replace the brake pads when installing new rotors? Thanks, Rico > >This may be just how they are supposed to be. The brakes are >quite firm in these compared to American cars (which is what >you're used to?) but that gives much better control over >your braking, once you get used to it. If you feel like both >feet would be helpful, then you definitely have a problem. >If not, it may just be how it's supposed to be. ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3025 **********************************