From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 8 11:02:47 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, April 8 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3039 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] sunny day in seattle... [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... Re: [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... [db] fuel weights (was bus weights) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] sunny day in seattle... this means two things: 1) the mountains are fantastic... (have snow, where it belongs) 2) the alder pollen count is climbing again... :( took some pictures this morning: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_06_tug-n-wj/ http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/04-Apr-06-jeeps-n-mtns/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:34:09 -0700 From: Tom H Subject: [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... john wrote: Tom, In all fairness to a Scout fan, do you see any (usable) parts on this Terra that you might be interested in? you're only 16 hrs away from me... ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/SD33T-info/Terra-Donor/ALL.html The guy doesn't have the time to get it running, and I have no need for wimpy 5 lug scout axles when I already have six lug D44 GW axles. ;) I am mildly interested in his T19 if it'll mate up to a jeep xfr case, but since have a T18 I should be able to make it work... I'm thinking I'll just buy the engine/trans and call it good... no need to drag that much scrap metal all the way over the mountains. john John: You're just trying to break my heart, aren't you? 16 hours is way too long at my age, although I used to do it just "for ducks" when I was younger. And, there are valuable parts there. It's all in your frame of reference. Speaking of frames........ And windshields, and the fiberglass, removable top..... Well, you get the idea. Plus, I already have 10 vehicles on a suburban lot in a city that has tripled in population since I moved here. 7 are outside with two that are supposed to be going at any moment and three are in my garage. If I get down to the configuration I want, there will only be one in the driveway, four behind the side yard gate and three in the garage. Our city is getting petty about such things. Well, California wouldn't let me transplant that engine/trans/Xfer case combo anyway. It would be a violation of the SMOG program: They are very specific and quite one-way about engine swaps on a post-1974 MY vehicle. Of course, I could make the swap, including the VIN plates, claim I salvaged my Terra and bought the diesel unit to replace it. It's not like I haven't known a few folks to try that. Of course, they don't know that CARB is working on regs to make even diesels come in for biennial inspections. Wait until they find out. ;-) Tom H., '87 300 SDL '76 Scout Terra (Traveler) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... sounds like you need a pre-74 chassis to have fun with... just happen to have a '67 J100 2 door panel for sale... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Tom H wrote: # john wrote: # # Tom, # # In all fairness to a Scout fan, do you see any (usable) parts on this Terra # that you might be interested in? you're only 16 hrs away from me... ;) # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/AXLES_ENGINE_INFO/SD33T-info/Terra-D onor/ALL.html # # The guy doesn't have the time to get it running, and I have no need for # wimpy 5 lug scout axles when I already have six lug D44 GW axles. ;) I am # mildly interested in his T19 if it'll mate up to a jeep xfr case, but since # have a T18 I should be able to make it work... # # I'm thinking I'll just buy the engine/trans and call it good... no need # to drag that much scrap metal all the way over the mountains. # # john # # # # John: # # You're just trying to break my heart, aren't you? # # 16 hours is way too long at my age, although I used to do it just "for ducks" when I was # younger. And, there are valuable parts there. It's all in your frame of reference. # Speaking of frames........ And windshields, and the fiberglass, removable top..... Well, # you get the idea. # # Plus, I already have 10 vehicles on a suburban lot in a city that has tripled in # population since I moved here. 7 are outside with two that are supposed to be going at # any moment and three are in my garage. If I get down to the configuration I want, there # will only be one in the driveway, four behind the side yard gate and three in the # garage. Our city is getting petty about such things. # # Well, California wouldn't let me transplant that engine/trans/Xfer case combo anyway. It # would be a violation of the SMOG program: They are very specific and quite one-way about # engine swaps on a post-1974 MY vehicle. Of course, I could make the swap, including the # VIN plates, claim I salvaged my Terra and bought the diesel unit to replace it. It's not # like I haven't known a few folks to try that. Of course, they don't know that CARB is # working on regs to make even diesels come in for biennial inspections. Wait until they # find out. ;-) # # Tom H., '87 300 SDL # '76 Scout Terra (Traveler) # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:36:39 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Re: the SD33T donor vehicle, the pictures... Ah, but California would allow that swap. Your 76 scout is older than the engine you want to swap in (1980), and the SD33T was available in california, so you shouldn't get static for installing it in your likely california emissions truck. Since it's basically the same model vehicle but the engine's coming from the newer version, it's a textbook swap according to the BAR's rulebook. And you're right. Diesels will get emissions testing in California next year. It's going to be brutal, as they don't have the machines ready for opacity testing, so they're going to do a snap test and look for visible smoke. Fortunately, they're only interested in the diesels with OBD-II, and aren't planning on testing anything older than 1998. Guaranteed this will be a freaking fiasco. I've got the docs from the BAR about it if you want to laugh then cry. On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:34:09PM -0700, Tom H wrote: > Well, California wouldn't let me transplant that engine/trans/Xfer case > combo anyway. It would be a violation of the SMOG program: They are > very specific and quite one-way about engine swaps on a post-1974 MY > vehicle. Of course, I could make the swap, including the VIN plates, > claim I salvaged my Terra and bought the diesel unit to replace it. It's > not like I haven't known a few folks to try that. Of course, they don't > know that CARB is working on regs to make even diesels come in for > biennial inspections. Wait until they find out. ;-) > > Tom H., '87 300 SDL > '76 Scout Terra (Traveler) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] fuel weights (was bus weights) Dan, Interesting info on bus weight and fuel weights, the weight of Diesel seemed high so I looked it up... they rounded up quite a bit, or expect a lot of water in their fuel. ;) Diesel about 7.1 lbs. varies with temp, 7.15lbs also listed (not 8lbs) water is about 8.34 lbs weight of biodiesel is generally reported to be 7.34 pounds per gallon veggie oil: Crude corn oil weighs 7.7 lbs per gallon gasoline is about 6.15 lbs (6.0-6.3lbs) (all weights vary by temperature due to density, or weight by volume) - ----------- A 55 gallon drum of WVO will weigh about 8lbs per gallon (considering food debris) 440lbs of gunk and about 44lbs for the steel drum or 484 lbs. That's what I'm hanging off the barrel lift on my rear hitch, plus the lift itself that probably weighs about 90lbs... for a total of 528 lbs. (chuck, we don't want to drop one of those on our foot... ;) When I get my BioDiesel it's in a plastic 20 gallon barrel... 146.8 lbs of fuel and maybe 10lbs for that barrel... around 155lbs... and both chuck and I have dropped that on our foot... not recommended on concrete. :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_05_tug-w-barrel-lift/ I bought a used Grand Wagoneer hitch and installed it last night, left the mickey mouse c-channel rear step bumper in place with reciever hitch. :) Have pictures in the camera sitting in the console of the tug sitting in the carport... :) Went out to start the tug this morning and it just clicked... new battery, new cable... heading out to get a new starter solenoid at lunch time, and a new ground cable too... and a yard of compost... (drove the WJ with the J10 trailer in tow...) Solenoid is around $48.00. New starter retails for $679 or around $480 reman'd, estimates for rebuild only $180. The SD33 uses a Hitachi S13-14 starter, called Forklifts NW they list a Nissan part number of 23300-Z5515, list price $670.29. Wish me luck on the new ground cable and solenoid... :) john - ----------- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Dan Black wrote: # asked about the weight of busses. # http://www.cyride.com/about/activefleet.html # =============================================================================== # Subject: Re: bus weight # Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:27:13 -0500 # The CyRide fleet consists primarily of 40' buses with a few 35' buses and # minibuses. Bus manufacturers give a dry and wet weight. This may sound # silly, but a bus engine can hold 11 gallons of oil or more and the fuel # tanks can hold up to 125 gallons of diesel. The weight of diesel is # approximately 8lbs per gallon, so the difference between a full tank of # fuel and empty is 1000 lbs alone. For your question, we'll assume wet # weight. # The newest transit buses in the fleet weigh 33-35,000 lbs wet. Passengers # are assumed to weigh 180 lbs and the buses seat 36 +/- 4. We frequently # have as many passengers standing as seated. Figure a bus holds around 60 # people at 180 lbs or 10,800. So a fully loaded transit bus on campus can # weigh as much as 45,800. # # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3039 **********************************