From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 14 15:20:34 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, April 14 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3042 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids RE: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids [db] saturday's wrenching activities [db] running great... [db] what color for the tug? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids Diesel Routan... I'm so there! But they aren't bringing THAT one to the states either!! :( Jim - --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > From: Edward Pomeroy > Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > To: "john" > Cc: "XJ Digest" , "diesel-benz list" , "Tom H" > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:24 AM > Not sure John. The Passat diesel in Europe meets euro IV and > probably V standards which should meet CA, MA and whatever > that third state is that has idiot regs on Diesels. But you > are correct, it is probably more to do with our rules than > their desire. However, in reading the bluetec (Benz) and > then the VW statement that VW can meet US regs without urea > injection, I wonder when they will get here. Have a Jetta > TDI now and looked at the Jetta TDI wagon. The latter did > not gain me much over what I can stuff into the existing > Jetta by lowering the seat backs so it did not seem like > enough of a gain. The Passat or a little Tiguan in Diesel > (they don't have that one either, only gas) would have > fit the bill. The thought of doing a buy/drive/export from > Germany has crossed my mind but the bank is not amenable > just now :-) > > john wrote: > > is it vw or our goofy and ignorant restrictions? > > > > > > > > ----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > > # Good luck in finding one. I went to the local VW > > # dealer last month and asked to see a new Passat > > # diesel wagon, there are none, not imported to > > # U.S., bummer!! I was willing to trade the 300D > > # for one too. Hope this silly attitude by VW > > # changes soon. > > # # Edward > > # # john wrote: > > # > I've had several Rabbit Diesels, older > models, > > # > and they were good, > > # > the newer ones are way better... have toyed > > # > around with the idea > > # > of getting a TDI Passat Wagon... # > > > # > My '91 300D with a 2.5L Turbo Diesel gets > 30 in > > # > town and over 35 > > # > on the freeway, have gotten 39.5 with it... > much > > # > nicer than a VW > > # > too... larger, not sure about faster... but > > # > more comfortable. > > # > > > # > Any Diesel is a good Diesel... :) I even > liked > > # > my Olds 5.7L... > > # > > > # > Once you get used to mashing the go pedal to > the > > # > floor it's fine. > > # > > > # > A friend of mine helped me get my vehicles > back > > # > from the shop once > > # > and wanted to drive the Benz instead of my > WJ... > > # > he was supposed to follow me... but he > stopped > > # > and got out and > > # > closed the hood... was trying to figure out > what > > # > the heck he > > # > was doing... turns out he was used to driving > a > > # > gas vehicle and > > # > thought the parking brake was on and pulled > the > > # > wrong lever... > > # > it was pretty funny, the Benz was running > great, > > # > and he thought > > # > the parking brake was on. :) > > # > > > # > john > > # > > > # > -o|||||o- > > # > > > # > 1986 CJ-10A 20.4 mpg 3.3L > > # > Diesel/AT 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) > > # > 29 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) > > # > 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 15 mpg 4.7L > > # > V8/45RFE/NV247 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) > > # > hydraulic dump trailer 1967 Jeep 100 Panel > (SJ) > > # > 232 cu in /t-85/d20 > > # > > > # > 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14 mpg > > # > 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) - not > > # > reassembled yet... > > # > > > # > -o|||||o- > > # > > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > > # > > > # > > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps > > # > don't rust, they mold > > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > # > http:http://creationwiki.org > > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > > # > http:http://fotomeister.us > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > > > # > > > # > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, David Bierschank wrote: > > # > > > # > # John, > > # > # At the car show I went to a few weeks ago, > one > > # > # of the cars I liked most was > > # > # the VW Rabbit with the Diesel. Good looking > > # > # car 30 city 40 hwy. Fairly loaded > > # > # of comes in right at 25k. There is also a > tax > > # > # rebate of I think 1500 on the > > # > # diesel version. I have not driven one but it > > # > # looks interesting. > > # > # # > # David Bierschank > > # > # # > # Sent from my iPhone > > # > # # > # On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:43 PM, john > > # > # wrote: > > # > # # > # >mercedes appears to be on the > same > > # > # >wavelength: > > # > # > > > # > # > >http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/mercedes-benz-to-bring-4-cylinder-diesels-to-the-us/ > > # > # > > > # > # >thanx, > > # > # >john > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > ----- > > # > # > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > > # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > # > # > http:http://creationwiki.org > > # > # > http://johnmeister.com > http://wagoneers.com > > # > # > http:http://fotomeister.us > > # > # > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # >On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Tom H wrote: > > # > # > > > # > # > # VW is laying out their strategy > > # > # > # > > # > # > # > http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/vw-chief-makes-case-for-diesel-and-cash-for-clunkers/ > > # > # > # > > # > # # > > > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:54:29 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids And don't they offer a fine MB diesel in the Grand Caravan already in other parts of the world? Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:16 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > > > Diesel Routan... I'm so there! But they aren't bringing THAT one > to the states either!! :( > > Jim > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > From: Edward Pomeroy > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Diesel vs Hybrids > > To: "john" > > Cc: "XJ Digest" , "diesel-benz list" > , "Tom H" > > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 11:24 AM > > Not sure John. The Passat diesel in Europe meets euro IV and > > probably V standards which should meet CA, MA and whatever > > that third state is that has idiot regs on Diesels. But you > > are correct, it is probably more to do with our rules than > > their desire. However, in reading the bluetec (Benz) and > > then the VW statement that VW can meet US regs without urea > > injection, I wonder when they will get here. Have a Jetta > > TDI now and looked at the Jetta TDI wagon. The latter did > > not gain me much over what I can stuff into the existing > > Jetta by lowering the seat backs so it did not seem like > > enough of a gain. The Passat or a little Tiguan in Diesel > > (they don't have that one either, only gas) would have > > fit the bill. The thought of doing a buy/drive/export from > > Germany has crossed my mind but the bank is not amenable > > just now :-) > > > > john wrote: > > > is it vw or our goofy and ignorant restrictions? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > > don't rust, they mold > > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > http://creationwiki.org > > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > > http://fotomeister.us > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > > > > # Good luck in finding one. I went to the local VW > > > # dealer last month and asked to see a new Passat > > > # diesel wagon, there are none, not imported to > > > # U.S., bummer!! I was willing to trade the 300D > > > # for one too. Hope this silly attitude by VW > > > # changes soon. > > > # # Edward > > > # # john wrote: > > > # > I've had several Rabbit Diesels, older > > models, > > > # > and they were good, > > > # > the newer ones are way better... have toyed > > > # > around with the idea > > > # > of getting a TDI Passat Wagon... # > > > > # > My '91 300D with a 2.5L Turbo Diesel gets > > 30 in > > > # > town and over 35 > > > # > on the freeway, have gotten 39.5 with it... > > much > > > # > nicer than a VW > > > # > too... larger, not sure about faster... but > > > # > more comfortable. > > > # > > > > # > Any Diesel is a good Diesel... :) I even > > liked > > > # > my Olds 5.7L... > > > # > > > > # > Once you get used to mashing the go pedal to > > the > > > # > floor it's fine. > > > # > > > > # > A friend of mine helped me get my vehicles > > back > > > # > from the shop once > > > # > and wanted to drive the Benz instead of my > > WJ... > > > # > he was supposed to follow me... but he > > stopped > > > # > and got out and > > > # > closed the hood... was trying to figure out > > what > > > # > the heck he > > > # > was doing... turns out he was used to driving > > a > > > # > gas vehicle and > > > # > thought the parking brake was on and pulled > > the > > > # > wrong lever... > > > # > it was pretty funny, the Benz was running > > great, > > > # > and he thought > > > # > the parking brake was on. :) > > > # > > > > # > john > > > # > > > > # > -o|||||o- > > > # > > > > # > 1986 CJ-10A 20.4 mpg 3.3L > > > # > Diesel/AT 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) > > > # > 29 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) > > > # > 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 15 mpg 4.7L > > > # > V8/45RFE/NV247 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) > > > # > hydraulic dump trailer 1967 Jeep 100 Panel > > (SJ) > > > # > 232 cu in /t-85/d20 > > > # > > > > # > 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 14 mpg > > > # > 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) - not > > > # > reassembled yet... > > > # > > > > # > -o|||||o- > > > # > > > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > > > # > > > > # > > > > # > > > > # > ----- > > > # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > > Jeeps > > > # > don't rust, they mold > > > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > > # > http:http://creationwiki.org > > > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > > > # > http:http://fotomeister.us > > > # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > # > > > > # > > > > # > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, David Bierschank wrote: > > > # > > > > # > # John, > > > # > # At the car show I went to a few weeks ago, > > one > > > # > # of the cars I liked most was > > > # > # the VW Rabbit with the Diesel. Good looking > > > # > # car 30 city 40 hwy. Fairly loaded > > > # > # of comes in right at 25k. There is also a > > tax > > > # > # rebate of I think 1500 on the > > > # > # diesel version. I have not driven one but it > > > # > # looks interesting. > > > # > # # > # David Bierschank > > > # > # # > # Sent from my iPhone > > > # > # # > # On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:43 PM, john > > > # > # wrote: > > > # > # # > # >mercedes appears to be on the > > same > > > # > # >wavelength: > > > # > # > > > > # > # > > > >http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/mercedes-benz-to-bring - -4-cylinder-diesels-to-the-us/ > > # > # > > > # > # >thanx, > > # > # >john > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > ----- > > # > # > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > > # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > # > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > # > # > http:http://creationwiki.org > > # > # > http://johnmeister.com > http://wagoneers.com > > # > # > http:http://fotomeister.us > > # > # > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # >On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Tom H wrote: > > # > # > > > # > # > # VW is laying out their strategy > > # > # > # > > # > # > # > http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/vw-chief-makes-case-for-diesel-an d-cash-for-clunkers/ > > # > # > # > > # > # # > > > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] saturday's wrenching activities http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_11_parking-lights-exhaust-starter-coil-lifts/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] running great... just got back from the grocery store... late night last minute run... the tug is running great... fixing an exhaust leak can really improve driveability... went through the same thing with my '91 300D... need to figure out how to adjust the driver's door on the cab, it's not sealing on the top. need to get a fuel gauge and a temp gauge, or get another cj-7 cluster... john http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/2009_Apr_11_parking-lights-exhaust-starter-coil-lifts/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] what color for the tug? thinking about having the '86 cj-10a painted... one color... maaco has a sale, they do reasonable work for the price and will be better than my rattle can work... in fact, I noticed my rattle can on the back half is a significant different shade of white to the front... the entire jeep needs a good paint job... so, what color? keep it white, but one white? I've had a few other white jeeps, they don't really do it for me... definetly not Olive Drab, or White... TAN? I think tan, or a light brown would be nice... the Sahara Wranglers look nice, but that's more OD than Tan... thoughts? Looking back at all the FSJs I've had, the darker colors really do look great... on the big jeeps, I don't think a dark color on the cj-10a would work well... hey, maybe my favorite color, LIGHT IVORY CREME, just like my first car, a '68 Mustang, or later, my '88 XJ Wagoneer... not sure who the guy is with the hair... seems kind of familar to me... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/68-Mustang-on-DaytonaBeach-Aug-1975-a.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3042 **********************************