From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 4 10:07:42 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, June 4 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3075 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy [db] What John needs [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... [db] Wait, wait! Here's the real thing! Re: [db] Wait, wait! Here's the real thing! [db] Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy Re: [db] What John needs Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... [db] Re: [CJ-10List] Re: fsj: Cummins specs Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy Oooooo, a "core"!! That should prove interesting.... ;) Hey, looking at the mounts, was it a marine application or a generator or ??? Jim - --- On Tue, 6/2/09, diesel john wrote: > From: diesel john > Subject: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy > To: kjones026-at-satx.rr.com > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" , "cj-10 list" > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:32 PM > that reminds me, I took pictures of > an SD33T this weekend, > pictures at: > > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/sd33t/ > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/CJ-10A-misc/sd33t/ALL.html > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, kjones026-at-satx.rr.com > wrote: > > # If you do lay them out together, please photograph them > for the rest of us to see. > # > # Kirk > # ---- diesel john > wrote: > # > have a T-18, but would prefer to use my T-5 so I > have overdrive... > # > > # > guess I'll need to lay the T-18, T-19 and T-5 next > to each other, > # > or at the trans shop and see what we can do. :) > # > > # > john > # > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, david-at-lang.hm > wrote: > # > # The T-19 will have the 'texas' bolt pattern > that early Jeeps used, not the > # > # round bolt pattern that the later ones > have. > # > # > # > # you could swap the input shaft to a Jeep > T19 and bolt it up to the engine. > # > # David Lang > # > # > # not quite true. > # > # > # > # > # > # the scout SD33/SD33T with the T-19 > had a SAE#4 adapter ring > # > # > # this adapter is ~7" > thick > # > # > # > # > # > # the tug SD33 has an adapter to the > mopar big block pattern for the 727 > # > # > # this adapter is ~2" > thick > # > # > # > # > # > # they are _very_ different adapters. > # > # > # David Lang ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:51:43 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] What John needs Apparently China can make one thing well...... http://www.geocities.com/amphibiousjeep/BJ5022.html This oughta get chicks at the beach, right? :D J ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsCN44YaK2TK9Zt2wLNtNkx729Cu 36QzdTX3wCDOua7RO4oBNPJ0kw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:54:08 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... http://www.boatcar.net/Englishpage/Baiyun1.htm Same company, earlier model mentioned in the first link. J ____________________________________________________________ Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsKPk5jlUqjgDW2E5OKzo7u3BzmG jLGyr0RLsHvesgaBMW1j07EqhK/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:02:30 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Wait, wait! Here's the real thing! http://www.watercar.com/jeep/gatorgallery.html Forget that Chinese crap......... ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHBWeWlcdBSCjBUqAeIIRR4NVJQ PRB9ebAxE3LyhpkmYQnxXFsU9a/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Wait, wait! Here's the real thing! we used to say the same thing about germany, japan, then tawain, then korea... of course we still say that about france and italy. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # http://www.watercar.com/jeep/gatorgallery.html # # Forget that Chinese crap......... # # ____________________________________________________________ # Click to get your online credit check report & score. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHBWeWlcdBSCjBUqAeIIRR4NVJQ # PRB9ebAxE3LyhpkmYQnxXFsU9a/ # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy the other issue is that my drop is on the driver's side for both Jeeps... I have a Ford C6/Dana 300 with a driver's side drop... yikes, what a combo nightmare that would be... a Nissan SD33T to a IH T-19 to a Ford Dana 300 in a Jeep... maybe if I buy a lottery ticket I could win and just buy a nice new Mercedes Diesel that has 4wd and call it good... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, mhjeep-at-comcast.net wrote: # John, # # The bolt pattern on the for the T-19 to the Dana 300 in a Scout is different then the Jeep 300. You will need to find a Scout Dana 300 to get the pattern to match up. I have looked into this and no one makes an adapter for the T-19 to Jeep Dana 300. # # Good luck, # Mike # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "diesel john" # To: "cj-10 list" # Cc: "full size jeep list" # Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:37:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific # Subject: Re: [CJ-10List] fuel economy # # # # # # # # # dang, why is it that NOTHING is simple or easy... or affordable? :) # # so, I should probably use the SD33T with the mated T19 and get # an adapter to mate to my Jeep xfr case... is THAT possible? :) # # oh, thinking about it, the adapters on manual trannies are longer, # so I don't think that extra length represents a real issue... I suspect # there is the same length on my T5... maybe... (note the air of confidence. ;) # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ---------------------------------------------------------- # # On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, david-at-lang.hm wrote: # # # On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, diesel john wrote: # # # # > Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) # # > From: diesel john < dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > # # > Reply-To: CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com # # > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # # > Subject: [CJ-10List] fuel economy # # > # # > last tank on the tug shows a solid 20 mpg... # # > # # > average over the last three tanks is a solid 18mpg... # # > just switched it over to amsoil and already seeing a 2mpg spike... nice... # # > # # > next project is to get the rear springs arched, have overloads on it right now # # > but it's just too "springy". # # > # # > thinking that the SD33T I've found might work fine in SuperDawg with his # # > T-5. Does anyone know if a T-19 adapter will mate to a T-5? The SD33T # # > I've found comes with a T-19 for a scout... the SD33T used an SAE #4 adapter # # > ring that mates to the Big Block 727, or the Scout T-19. # # # # not quite true. # # # # the scout SD33/SD33T with the T-19 had a SAE#4 adapter ring # # this adapter is ~7" thick # # # # the tug SD33 has an adapter to the mopar big block pattern for the 727 # # this adapter is ~2" thick # # # # they are _very_ different adapters. # # # # David Lang # # # # # # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] What John needs very cool... cheaper than a new Jeep, and it's both amphibious AND a Diesel. where do I get one? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Apparently China can make one thing well...... # # http://www.geocities.com/amphibiousjeep/BJ5022.html # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... even cooler... wonder if I could do this to my tug? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # http://www.boatcar.net/Englishpage/Baiyun1.htm # # Same company, earlier model mentioned in the first link. # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:31:42 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Is it frightening that was one of the first thoughts I had when I saw it and the others? :) (For you to do, not me!) - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Wed Jun 03, 2009, John Meister wrote: > > even cooler... > > wonder if I could do this to my tug? :) > > john > > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # http://www.boatcar.net/Englishpage/Baiyun1.htm > # > # Same company, earlier model mentioned in the first link. > # > # J > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... yep... great minds think alike... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # Is it frightening that was one of the first thoughts I had # when I saw it and the others? :) # # (For you to do, not me!) # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # # On Wed Jun 03, 2009, John Meister wrote: # > # > even cooler... # > # > wonder if I could do this to my tug? :) # > # > john # > # > # > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > # http://www.boatcar.net/Englishpage/Baiyun1.htm # > # # > # Same company, earlier model mentioned in the first link. # > # # > # J # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:07:33 -0700 From: john Subject: [db] Re: [CJ-10List] Re: fsj: Cummins specs Dave, Here's the pdf I used, and the link back to the original... http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/CUMMINS/B-series-specs-4087025.pdf also interesting: http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/CUMMINS/MPG_Secrets_Whitepaper.pdf actually got it out of the construction section, B series brochure... http://www.everytime.cummins.com/assets/pdf/4087025.pdf david-at-lang.hm wrote: > > > which ones do you want me to add to the calculator? > > please poing me at the bulletin number, and if there are different graphs > in the document, which one(s) you want added. > > David Lang > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, diesel john wrote: > > > > > they have the power curves in that brochure as well... > > > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Stephen Cahill wrote: > > > > # Now to mention the RPM's put out by both engines. > > # A lot of work to get the gearing of powertrain to a sweet spot. > > # > > # Stephen > > # > > # On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM, diesel john > > wrote: > > # > > # > found engine specs for the 4BT and 6BT, including weights... > authoritative > > # > source... > > # > > > # > > > # > Specifications > > # > > > # > B3.9 B5.9 > > # > 4BT 6BT > > # > > > # > ADVERTISED HP 110-125 150-173 HP > > # > 82-93 KW 112-129 KW > > # > PEAK TORQUE 346-373 LB-FT 453-580 LB-FT > > # > 469-506 N.M 614-786 N.M > > # > NUMBER OF CYLINDERS 4 6 > > # > > > # > OIL SYSTEM 11.5 U.S. QT 17.2 U.S. QT > > # > CAPACITY 10.9 LITERS 16.3 LITERS > > # > > > # > WET WEIGHT 745-782 LB 952-997 LB > > # > 338-355 KG 432-452 KG > > # > > > # > LENGTH 30.6 IN 40.0 IN > > # > 777 MM 1016 MM > > # > WIDTH 24.6 IN 24.9 IN > > # > 625 MM 632 MM > > # > HEIGHT 37.7 IN 37.9 IN > > # > 958 MM 963 MM > > # > > > # > > > # > authoritative info from: > > # > http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/misc/brochures.page? > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > > > # > http://johnmeister.com > http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > # > > > # > > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:07:51 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Oh dear, I've awakened a new monster in John...........:D It could probably be done, yes, but notice that most of these are rear-engine? I think that heavy diesel in the nose would be a real challenge. But getting that Chinese rig federalized would be very pricey.........I hate what this government has turned into. Bunch of people with substandard education trying to tell all the people who are smarter and more successful than them what to do. One guy joked that we should change the national motto from "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one) to "Pro Vestri Bonus" (for your own good.) It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad and frustrating. Every time somebody wants to do something enjoyable, worthwhile, or both, there's a politician in the way, either through taxes, regulation, or both. I hate that. J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:28:37 -0700 (PDT) even cooler... wonder if I could do this to my tug? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # http://www.boatcar.net/Englishpage/Baiyun1.htm # # Same company, earlier model mentioned in the first link. # # J # ____________________________________________________________ You have a right to seek justice! Click here to find experienced lawyers across the USA. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsM919n1xeHIJVK4Utxc3DVD9iPx wbLZYVgECWZpfdSrgIf23W67WQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:05:51 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" >To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" >Subject: Re: [db] Here's an older, smaller one..... >Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:53:46 -0400 > >On Thursday 04 June 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" who wrote: > >> Every time somebody >> wants to do something enjoyable, worthwhile, or both, there's a >politician >> in the way, either through taxes, regulation, or both. I hate that. > >And in the rare cases there is not, the something enjoyable is >unhealthy or >makes you fat.... > Are you kidding??! Those are the ones the politicians like to interfere with the most! Well, there's a few "make you fats" that they haven't got in the way of YET...... J ____________________________________________________________ Click to replace your roof - modern technology. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsIKRqngfGdkW3rZRsQR2mD7lwcp JnCGgwvaVMx1267BrK7FsIAwCE/ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3075 **********************************